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Old 3rd October 2019, 05:32 PM   #1
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Birthday growler surprise son-in-law shot dead

Dad, 37, who flew from Norway to Florida and was shot dead by his father-in-law when he jumped out of the bushes to surprise him on his birthday

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A Florida man shot and killed his son-in-law after the victim jumped out of the bushes to surprise him for his birthday.

Richard Dennis opened fire on Christopher Bergan, 37, outside his house in Pensacola on Tuesday night in what police described as a 'horrible accident'. Dennis will not face charges for the incident, Santa Rosa County Sheriff Bob Johnson announced at a Thursday news conference.

Johnson said Bergan, who is married to Dennis' daughter and has a son, and lives in Norway, arrived at a Florida airport on Tuesday evening and went straight to his father-in-law's home.

Dennis, who was unaware of Bergan's arrival, heard someone banging on his backdoor at around 11.30pm. He turned on the porch light before Bergan leapt 'out of the shadows', making a growling sound as he emerged from a bush.

Startled by the ambush, Dennis fired one shot that struck Bergan in the chest, killing him instantly...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...prise-him.html
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Old 3rd October 2019, 05:35 PM   #2
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It's the american way.

Visitors to the place should receive advice on how not to be killed, just like they do for other dangerous places.

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Old 3rd October 2019, 06:19 PM   #3
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America might be the only country where it's dangerous to pop out of a bush and growl.
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Old 3rd October 2019, 06:53 PM   #5
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America might be the only country where it's dangerous to pop out of a bush and growl.
Maybe not, but it's probably on a short list of places it's quite so likely to be deadly.

The same act would be vanishingly unlikely to result in shooting death in say Japan or the UK.
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Old 3rd October 2019, 07:24 PM   #6
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Bushpop Growl is just bad move all around this country. Birthday guy could have had a fatal heart attack. A Growling Bushpopper could get shot as has happened. The neighbor could think the Bushpop Growler is a Bigfoot and bang there goes another one.
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The sheriff said no charges were warranted in the shooting, adding that it 'never should have happened'.

'Anybody who is religious out there, you need to pray for this family,' Johnson said.
Yep. Prayers are what's needed.
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Old 3rd October 2019, 09:09 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
It's the american way.

Visitors to the place should receive advice on how not to be killed, just like they do for other dangerous places.

The story said the man had lived in Florida. Maybe he just didn't pay attention.
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This might turn out to be the father-in-law shooting his son-in-law and the rest is made up to cover up a murder.

Just sayin' it's possible.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Yep. Prayers are what's needed.
...and Thoughts. Don't forget Thoughts.

Soooo much dark comedy here. Yosemite Sam is not being charged with anything. Nada. Zip. Zero. Cuz murder is fine tootin' in the Sunshine State.

We also have another fun Mistake of Fact scenario. 'Honest, Ossifer, I jus assumed he was one of them thar tweakers. Didn't bother to find out who he was or anythang, tho. Dark out, ya see. I jus a-come out gunz a blazin! Cuz I'se a tuff guy like dat.'

I wonder what this guy's ratio of stopping imminent home invasions versus killing family members is? Bet I could guess.

Of course, when someone is knocking on your door, you of course answer with a loaded gun in hand. Why on earth wouldn't you? It's not like you would call police if you suspect a dangerous prowler or attacker. No siree bob. You grabs you gun and go exact some justice on people outside your home.

Dead zero pity here for the killer. He got precisely what he asked for. He got to kill someone. That's what you buy handguns for, right? Those puppies aren't cheap. Need a notch or two in the grip to justify the expense and whatnot.
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Dennis will not be charged in the incident, said Assistant State Attorney Amber Rowland.

"I’m not going to second guess Mr. Dennis for what he did. Here he is, he had just had a confrontation at the front of his house," said the sheriff. "Couple hours later, someone is banging on his back door, and it’s a fenced yard.

"And then someone jumps out of the bushes,” Johnson said. "You can’t really say anything against Mr. Dennis for doing what he did."
What? No! That's not normal! Just because you had a "confrontation" earlier in the day it shouldn't mean you can shoot whoever knocks on your door next!

This is just insane.

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Gee, thanks. That will help a lot.
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This might turn out to be the father-in-law shooting his son-in-law and the rest is made up to cover up a murder.

Just sayin' it's possible.
Yep.
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I wonder what this guy's ratio of stopping imminent home invasions versus killing family members is?
My calculator returns "error".
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Maybe not, but it's probably on a short list of places it's quite so likely to be deadly.

The same act would be vanishingly unlikely to result in shooting death in say Japan or the UK.

You wouldn't get shot, but if you hide in a bush in Australia, there's a good chance that it contains at least three different animals that will kill you before you even have a chance to jump out.
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...and Thoughts. Don't forget Thoughts.


I can't help but feel that with more thoughts there would be less need for prayers.
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
https://eu.pnj.com/story/news/crime/...ty/3846781002/



What? No! That's not normal! Just because you had a "confrontation" earlier in the day it shouldn't mean you can shoot whoever knocks on your door next!

This is just insane.



Gee, thanks. That will help a lot.
I think I'd rather pray that the people of that county elect a competent sheriff. Because they sure don't have one now.
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The story starts A Florida man...

How predictable is the outcome?
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I am really disappointed that none of the Brits here have made a joke about the word "growler".
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You wouldn't get shot, but if you hide in a bush in Australia, there's a good chance that it contains at least three different animals that will kill you before you even have a chance to jump out.
Three? Only three?

Oh, you're talking about a suburban backyard...

Never mind, my mistake.
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The story starts A Florida man...

How predictable is the outcome?

A Florida man won the Nobel Prize for.... psssshh, nevermind, I can't finish it.
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This terrible tragedy could have been averted if the son-in-law had a gun.
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I am really disappointed that none of the Brits here have made a joke about the word "growler".
Nah, I don't think any joke can possibly surpass the lengths the police are going to to justify this. Even in some Third World hellhole, you'd still need to be personal friends with El Presidente to get such an overt free pass.
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This is from the local news, the Pensacola (Fla.) News Journal.

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Earlier that evening, [shooter Richard] Dennis and another one of his relatives got into an argument after the relative came by the home and banged on the front door, according to police. When [son-in-law Christopher] Bergan later arrived at the home to surprise Dennis, he banged on the back door without announcing himself. But Dennis thought Bergan was the relative with whom he had previously argued and opened his door while armed. Link
When Christopher Bergan jumped out of the bushes, "Mr. Dennis fired one round from a .380 semi-automatic firearm and struck Bergan in the heart, instantly killing him." Santa Rosa County Sheriff Bob Johnson told a press conference:
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"Im not going to second guess Mr. Dennis for what he did. Here he is, he had just had a confrontation at the front of his house. Couple hours later, someone is banging on his back door, and its a fenced yard. And then someone jumps out of the bushes, Sheriff Johnson said. "You cant really say anything against Mr. Dennis for doing what he did."
In other words, Mr. Dennis had more than enuff! for one night, then he made an honest mistake and killed the wrong relative. Okay, and...?
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This is from the local news, the Pensacola (Fla.) News Journal.



When Christopher Bergan jumped out of the bushes, "Mr. Dennis fired one round from a .380 semi-automatic firearm and struck Bergan in the heart, instantly killing him." Santa Rosa County Sheriff Bob Johnson told a press conference:


In other words, Mr. Dennis had more than enuff! for one night, then he made an honest mistake and killed the wrong relative. Okay, and...?
Those are the Sheriff's words though. Maybe the father-in-law didn't think the earlier confrontation had anything to do with his reaction later that night. Maybe they are his words too though, I don't know.

Without that earlier confrontation we have a guy in a situation that he could believe was dangerous. I'd be more than wary if someone was banging on my back door in my enclosed yard late at night. Depends on where you live and a lot of other things.

Then upon opening the door to find someone "jumping out of the bushes" - did he jump towards the shooter? Was he within a few feet of him or across the yard?

People here at ISF would be calm and cool? A guy jumps out of the darkness in your own yard, possibly just a few feet away, and growling or yelling as he does so, and you are like, "Oh ya he's probably a prankster"? Come on.

It's a tragic accident. I'm not a fan of guns but the fact is that we have them here. You can't analyze this story and pretend we don't live in this gun "culture". Given that, his reaction is not surprising at all. It's why he owns the gun in the first place - to protect himself at home.

I wonder if the son-in-law, being from Norway (or living there), was unaware that his actions could be dangerous here. It's a dumb thing to do here, maybe in Norway too.

If you want to argue that gun culture is bad then fine, but the fact is that we live in one and this guys actions don't appear to be out of line with that or the laws.

I'm not even saying he was right or wrong. I'm saying that the condemnation from some posters here is bullcrap. Yer talkin' outta yer ass. You weren't there.
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Those are the Sheriff's words though. Maybe the father-in-law didn't think the earlier confrontation had anything to do with his reaction later that night. Maybe they are his words too though, I don't know.

Without that earlier confrontation we have a guy in a situation that he could believe was dangerous. I'd be more than wary if someone was banging on my back door in my enclosed yard late at night. Depends on where you live and a lot of other things.

Then upon opening the door to find someone "jumping out of the bushes" - did he jump towards the shooter? Was he within a few feet of him or across the yard?

People here at ISF would be calm and cool? A guy jumps out of the darkness in your own yard, possibly just a few feet away, and growling or yelling as he does so, and you are like, "Oh ya he's probably a prankster"? Come on.

It's a tragic accident. I'm not a fan of guns but the fact is that we have them here. You can't analyze this story and pretend we don't live in this gun "culture". Given that, his reaction is not surprising at all. It's why he owns the gun in the first place - to protect himself at home.

I wonder if the son-in-law, being from Norway (or living there), was unaware that his actions could be dangerous here. It's a dumb thing to do here, maybe in Norway too.

If you want to argue that gun culture is bad then fine, but the fact is that we live in one and this guys actions don't appear to be out of line with that or the laws.

I'm not even saying he was right or wrong. I'm saying that the condemnation from some posters here is bullcrap. Yer talkin' outta yer ass. You weren't there.
Uhhh. No. The father in laws reactions were completly unreasonable.

Reasonable actions would have been (in no particular order)

- not answering the back door
- threatening to call the authorities
- actually calling the authorities
- calling the phone of the relative he had the argument with
- not being a yosamete sam bitch that thinks guns are a viable solution to an argument
- Announcing he was armed and directing the doorknocker to leave his property or come out slowly
But anyway now he has murdered his daughters spouse and the rest of his family know he is willing to murder at least one other relative. Hope he is going to have a wonderful Christmas.
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Those are the Sheriff's words though. Maybe the father-in-law didn't think the earlier confrontation had anything to do with his reaction later that night. Maybe they are his words too though, I don't know.

Without that earlier confrontation we have a guy in a situation that he could believe was dangerous. I'd be more than wary if someone was banging on my back door in my enclosed yard late at night. Depends on where you live and a lot of other things.

Then upon opening the door to find someone "jumping out of the bushes" - did he jump towards the shooter? Was he within a few feet of him or across the yard?

People here at ISF would be calm and cool? A guy jumps out of the darkness in your own yard, possibly just a few feet away, and growling or yelling as he does so, and you are like, "Oh ya he's probably a prankster"? Come on.

It's a tragic accident. I'm not a fan of guns but the fact is that we have them here. You can't analyze this story and pretend we don't live in this gun "culture". Given that, his reaction is not surprising at all. It's why he owns the gun in the first place - to protect himself at home.

I wonder if the son-in-law, being from Norway (or living there), was unaware that his actions could be dangerous here. It's a dumb thing to do here, maybe in Norway too.

If you want to argue that gun culture is bad then fine, but the fact is that we live in one and this guys actions don't appear to be out of line with that or the laws.

I'm not even saying he was right or wrong. I'm saying that the condemnation from some posters here is bullcrap. Yer talkin' outta yer ass. You weren't there.
Ok, agreed that there may have been circumstances undisclosed by the reporting. And of course, we were not there and may feel differently if we were.

But the reason I feel no pity is because Dennis shot at an unidentified target. That to me is inexcusable, and the equivalent of murder. Like on the Amber Guyger case, the Whoopsie Defense does not release you from guilt. This guy did not care who he was shooting at. Something scared him, so it deserved to die. That does not get explained away under the guise of the brave home defender tripe.

He walked to he door with a loaded gun because someone was banging on it. Maybe murderers in Florida are polite, and knock first? I cannot come up with a scenario where this was an accidental killing. He meant it, by all indications. Just didn't give a fat rat's ass who it was at the time.

Thanksgivings are gonna be awkward at Chez Dennis. And he has not a soul to blame but himself. It was not a tragic accident, if the reporting is even half accurate. It was a heartless intentional killing. Just a surprise victim. The time to identify your target is before pulling the trigger.
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Yep. Prayers are what's needed.
It isn't like anyone did anything wrong. These things just happen, we have to accept these kinds of shooting for our rights to kill as needed. I mean what next some kind of sissy duty to retreat nonsense? Stand your Ground and put them in the ground, its the american way.
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