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30th June 2019, 04:02 AM | #1 |
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Trump official behind fake Biden web site
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30th June 2019, 04:29 AM | #2 |
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So this is the new angle, "Metoo stories about Biden are due to RUSSIAN BOTS!"
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30th June 2019, 04:44 AM | #3 |
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It's a Trump campaign official - completely innocent.
They also have websites for all the other D candidates. |
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30th June 2019, 05:12 AM | #4 |
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30th June 2019, 08:13 AM | #5 |
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30th June 2019, 09:02 AM | #6 |
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30th June 2019, 08:55 PM | #7 |
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Y'all really think this looks like a Biden website? Photos of his creepy touching and sniffing of girls? Give me a break. These stories sound so bad until you actually bother to look at what is being talked about. |
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30th June 2019, 08:56 PM | #8 |
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30th June 2019, 10:30 PM | #9 |
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It's deceptive, yes, but not big news. Campaign organizations do this all the time. I don't go for "buyer beware" and would support having some way of forcing the sponsors name and pedigree onto the top of the first page, but it appears that they succeeded in their "plausible deniability" efforts.
I've seen much worse examples. I supposed it can be argued that the Trump campaign's concern - the not-real-bright blue collar brigade who fell for Trump's crap are the most likely to fall for something like this, but that would be disrespecting the deplorables and we're not supposed to do that, I guess. |
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30th June 2019, 10:32 PM | #10 |
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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30th June 2019, 10:59 PM | #11 |
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30th June 2019, 11:57 PM | #12 |
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The plan is to divert google searches away from the legit Candidate site to a fake, derogatory one.
How accurate or defamatory these are is secondary: every click that goes to the wrong page hurts the candidate. It's a very despicable tacit, but not new. |
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1st July 2019, 02:06 AM | #14 |
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If it's clearly labeled as parody on the site, I don't think it's illegal, nor should it be.
If it's not clearly labeled, it should be illegal. |
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...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015 |
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1st July 2019, 03:41 AM | #16 |
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Biden is failing fine all by himself, no help is needed
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1st July 2019, 03:52 AM | #17 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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1st July 2019, 04:03 AM | #18 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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1st July 2019, 04:24 AM | #19 |
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If I was motivated enough, I'd set up a Poe-Trump website and sell KAG-swag, invitations to places where Ivanka stuff is sold and plenty of others ways to make the nutters give their money to me instead.
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1st July 2019, 04:51 AM | #20 |
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Other than the actual url, the whole thing looks very transparently like a parody site. Pretty well done, I thought.
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1st July 2019, 06:14 AM | #21 |
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1st July 2019, 07:17 AM | #22 |
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I'm still trying to figure out what Trump organization this guy is an officer in.
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1st July 2019, 09:46 AM | #23 |
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By "Trump Official" you mean "Republican consulting agency guy" I guess?
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1st July 2019, 09:56 AM | #24 |
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1st July 2019, 10:16 AM | #26 |
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Is everyone who contracts with an organization an official in that organization?
What *is* the official Trump campaign organization, anyway? Who are its officers? Where is it headquartered (some Trump property, no doubt)? Etc. --- Hell, I'm a full-time employee of an organization. Nobody in their right mind would call me an official in this org. |
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1st July 2019, 10:27 AM | #28 |
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I was the first to point out that this was a Trump Campaign project, not a White House one.
But someone "official" in the Trump campaign must have agreed to this and keeps signing the cheques. So I see nothing wrong with calling this a "Trump campaign official" project. |
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1st July 2019, 10:37 AM | #29 |
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Are you sure about all this? I mean, it's plausible. It's just as plausible that someone skilled in the art shelled out some of his own time and money, hobbyist-style, to make a parody website using the skills and tools he was already well familiar with.
Someone in the Trump Campaign ordered it and is paying for it? That's a claim that requires more evidence. Or maybe not. This wouldn't be the first time political partisans have indicted each other on nothing more than innuendo, circumstance, and their own partisan bias. Hell, there's a lot more evidence that Hillary Clinton committed crimes, and the State Department and DOJ suppressed them, than there is that this guy actually got paid by the Trump Campaign for this site. Not that it matters much to me. I'm not seeing a big problem here either way. I'm more interested in the epistemological question, and how it interacts with our partisan biases in debate. You want people to believe this is an official Trump campaign website. You want me to admit that it's an official Trump campaign website. The partisan in me says, of course you want that, but can you prove it? The contrarian in me says you can claim this stuff all you want, but until you bring evidence, it didn't happen. --- In before, "you're just defending Dear Leader because of how racist you are!" and assorted other deranged crap. |
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1st July 2019, 10:59 AM | #32 |
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That's not quite fair.
Nobody is disputing that the guy in question has gotten or is getting a paycheck for work he's done at the request of the Trump campaign. That actually creates some clear dots to connect, that aren't present in TGZ's own body of work. It's still connecting the dots, though. |
1st July 2019, 11:08 AM | #33 |
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When you don't have much of a reply, nitpick something.
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1st July 2019, 11:17 AM | #34 |
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1st July 2019, 11:20 AM | #35 |
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He is working for the Trump campaign, which , like any campaign these cases, has the ability to tell him to cut it out or they'll distance themselves from him.
The Trump campaign has blessed this move, explicitly or implicitly. So yeah, someone with authority in the chain is ok with this. |
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Even if that were true, it's still a far cry from being an official campaign website.
If an actual, accredited officer in the Trump campaign organization issues a statement saying that the campaign didn't ask for it and isn't paying for it, and whatever the guy does with his own resources on his own time is his business as a private citizen, would you agree that it's not an official website? |
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I'm not arguing with any of that. That being said, he wasn't working in any form of official capacity when he made those sites. He was using his own free time.
I'm of the mindset that this means little to me. I live in the tech world, I can identify fake sites easily, especially one that looks like that. That being said, as we have concluded in other threads, words mean things. These sites weren't requested, they weren't paid for, they were done by a person on their free time that also happened to work for the company that Trump does business with. That's it, I have no dog in this race. |
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1st July 2019, 11:41 AM | #40 |
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So? Aside from the begged questions, so what? Trump isn't obliged to run a "normal" campaign. You can't make something official just by complaining that the other guy didn't do "enough" to suppress it. Get over yourself.
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