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Old 15th January 2019, 04:00 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Anyone remember OS2 Warp?
The Navy still used it for their shipboard ATM system up until... 1999, 2000 or so.
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Old 15th January 2019, 04:38 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
That would probably be Mandrake 8. Alphas vary in size and shape from pizza box to phone booth. Hopefully you didn't have to wheel in the phone booth model?
Hahah! No, not a phone booth. It was roughly the size of two tower PCs joined together into an almost cube. (the footprint was rectangular).

I'm almost certain it was one of these (particularly because I remember it having four CPUs in the box):
AlphaServerWP

and Mandrake 5 maybe?

I've just had a poke around, and I'm guessing that it was probably originally running RedHat and I "upgraded" it to Mandrake 5.1, because of the userland stuff in the Mandrake distro.

Good times.
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Old 15th January 2019, 04:42 PM   #443
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Place I do the occasional repair for still has 2 98se machines and a xp machine...
They will never be upgraded until they break down for good however



I have them networked but isolated from the net
The cost of upgrading would be astronomical (you basically have to replace the entire control head) and the old hardware doesn't have the grunt to run anything newer
Replacing the entire machine is a definite 'not gunna happen' and all three???
LOL

This is one of the issues with windows, its all nice to say that old systems should be upgraded, but in many cases, it simply isn't economical or even possible to do so)
All I can do is keep them running, and as isolated from the real world as much as possible but they have to be networked and thats that... (designs come from all over the country and sometimes even from overseas, and those files have to get onto the machines somehow)
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Old 15th January 2019, 04:43 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Anyone remember OS2 Warp?
Yes!

Struggling to remember which department it was, probably Centrelink (in pre-Centrelink days).

There was one guy who sat near me who had OS/2 .

It looked like windows, but prettier, and, IIRC, he was running it because he needed to run multiple instances of something at the same time.



Hah! I remember CP/M-86, that was the first "desktop" OS that I used at work.

(WordStar and SuperCal may have been the names of the two packages that I used the most)
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Old 15th January 2019, 04:52 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
Place I do the occasional repair for still has 2 98se machines and a xp machine...
They will never be upgraded until they break down for good however

https://i.postimg.cc/QxCY3fV6/DSC00416.jpg

I have them networked but isolated from the net
The cost of upgrading would be astronomical (you basically have to replace the entire control head) and the old hardware doesn't have the grunt to run anything newer
Replacing the entire machine is a definite 'not gunna happen' and all three???
LOL

This is one of the issues with windows, its all nice to say that old systems should be upgraded, but in many cases, it simply isn't economical or even possible to do so)
All I can do is keep them running, and as isolated from the real world as much as possible but they have to be networked and thats that... (designs come from all over the country and sometimes even from overseas, and those files have to get onto the machines somehow)
Many medical and scientific instrument systems are "certified" at specific configurations. These will include the OS version and the hardware in some cases. Change those out of spec without checking and the certification lapses. And that means some medical diagnoses and procedures are considered no longer "reliable" (as in, if someone gets hurt due to decisions made based on data from these systems, and the software is not properly certified...BIG legal trouble).

To get any new versions, it is quite literally a whole new food-fight from scratch to justify a replacement system.
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Old 15th January 2019, 04:58 PM   #446
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Do you have a user with that? We have some still with Windows 2000...because of medical appliance certification requirements!
No, I had a server running it back in '94. You know, when Windows NT came on 31 floppy disks.
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Old 15th January 2019, 05:07 PM   #447
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I worked in the mining game for a while, and its the same there- we literally started to get a new system certified for use for fluid transfer systems (3 million litres of diesel isnt something you can have a mistake with) and by the time that the then new vista o/s programs were tested and approved, vista was already gone.....

This one was fun

It no longer looks like that....

I had bumped the screen eht up several times as it aged, but still had gotten to the stage it couldn't be seen (hey they got their moneys worth out of it- its been on 8hrs a day minimum, 5 days a week since the 90's...)
Its a standard vga monitor, but obviously you cant buy a crt one anymore
So it now has a shiny new aluminium box mounted where the old crt monitor was, with a small lcd monitor inside with a plexiglass front cover (theres a lot of metal shavings and lube splashing around so it needs protection)

I am dreading if the hub supplying these machines goes bang (its on its third) its an old 10mb/s with coax connectors and cat5 connectors as well- the run to the office computer is cat 5, but all these machines are bnc coax network connections on them....

I used my last one last time, if it fails again I'm going to be scratching to keep that network going....
(that machine is still 98se btw)
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Old 15th January 2019, 05:20 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
I worked in the mining game for a while, and its the same there- we literally started to get a new system certified for use for fluid transfer systems (3 million litres of diesel isnt something you can have a mistake with) and by the time that the then new vista o/s programs were tested and approved, vista was already gone.....

This one was fun
https://i.postimg.cc/Kjxjd9bQ/DSC00411.jpg
It no longer looks like that....

I had bumped the screen eht up several times as it aged, but still had gotten to the stage it couldn't be seen (hey they got their moneys worth out of it- its been on 8hrs a day minimum, 5 days a week since the 90's...)
Its a standard vga monitor, but obviously you cant buy a crt one anymore
So it now has a shiny new aluminium box mounted where the old crt monitor was, with a small lcd monitor inside with a plexiglass front cover (theres a lot of metal shavings and lube splashing around so it needs protection)

I am dreading if the hub supplying these machines goes bang (its on its third) its an old 10mb/s with coax connectors and cat5 connectors as well- the run to the office computer is cat 5, but all these machines are bnc coax network connections on them....

I used my last one last time, if it fails again I'm going to be scratching to keep that network going....
(that machine is still 98se btw)
PM me offline about old network gear. MAY be able to help there.
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Old 15th January 2019, 06:46 PM   #449
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Oh, here's a good one.

Someone sends an email to Service Desk describing a problem. I reply saying "Try this, and if it doesn't fix the problem, please phone the Service Desk on {number}."

A day later there's another email saying "It didn't work. What do I do?"
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Oh, here's a good one.

Someone sends an email to Service Desk describing a problem. I reply saying "Try this, and if it doesn't fix the problem, please phone the Service Desk on {number}."

A day later there's another email saying "It didn't work. What do I do?"

I don't get this one. She seems to be being polite to you by contacting by e-mail rather than phone. E-mail is generally less demanding than a phone call.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
I don't get this one. She seems to be being polite to you by contacting by e-mail rather than phone. E-mail is generally less demanding than a phone call.
Yeah, in this case we needed to fix the problem by remote accessing the computer, which has to be done during a phone call. As it turned out, I took the call and was able to resolve the problem easily enough. But it's not the kind of thing that is practical to do via email exchange, especially with a nontechnical user.

But regardless, I asked them specifically to phone, and they sent an email. People just can't follow instructions.
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But regardless, I asked them specifically to phone, and they sent an email. People just can't follow instructions.

She made a polite interpretation of your instructions. If you're going to ding her for not calling then you should have explained at least a bit about why a phone call would be necessary. Something as simple "please call, we won't be able to resolve this via e-mail".
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She made a polite interpretation of your instructions. If you're going to ding her for not calling then you should have explained at least a bit about why a phone call would be necessary. Something as simple "please call, we won't be able to resolve this via e-mail".
In an environment where a frequent call opening is "Hi, my user ID is {userid} and my asset number is {workstationname}, can you please remote access my PC?" it tends to be assumed.

But yes, sometimes when it isn't as busy and there isn't the certainty that I'm going to be interrupted by three calls while in the process of typing a single sentence into an email, I'll generally say that we need to fix the problem by remote accessing the workstation. I neglected that in this case.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Anyone remember OS2 Warp?
I ran that at home as well as it being the default OS at work (IBM). Windows still doesn't have file association working as well as OS/2 did. Anyone who wants to argue try to install Notepad++ as your default file editor.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Anyone remember OS2 Warp?
Oh **** yes. I had a client with 3,000 seats of the damn thing once. Using Token Ring too...
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The Navy still used it for their shipboard ATM system up until... 1999, 2000 or so.
I remember that. OS/2 was common in ATMs once-upon-a-time.
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What is he running on it? There are a handful of OS's it will support officially, and a few more unofficially.
VMS of course....
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No, I had a server running it back in '94. You know, when Windows NT came on 31 floppy disks.
I think I have a 5.25" diskette pack for NT 3.1 somewhere.
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I remember that. OS/2 was common in ATMs once-upon-a-time.
These days I see Windows error messages on them once in a while. Even a BSOD one time.
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VMS of course....

VMS, when downtime is not an option.


I am a VMS guru, first started on VMS in April 1982 (prior to that in the IBM world). I still make my living from VMS (though I will finally retire in 2020). It's done me well for the last ~37 years


And my room here has quite a number of Alphas
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Anyone remember OS2 Warp?
I found my install media for that a few months ago when I was looking for something else. Probably unreadable by now, though.
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I just heard the phrase "I don't like Apple computers, they are too complicated" uttered by one of my customers.
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VMS, when downtime is not an option.


I am a VMS guru, first started on VMS in April 1982 (prior to that in the IBM world). I still make my living from VMS (though I will finally retire in 2020). It's done me well for the last ~37 years


And my room here has quite a number of Alphas
Same here!
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Currently dealing with a user who is having trouble using RDP to access their PC...from said PC
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Currently dealing with a user who is having trouble using RDP to access their PC...from said PC
Forget their password, then?
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I think I have a 5.25" diskette pack for NT 3.1 somewhere.
But do you have anything at all that can actually read a 5.25" disk?
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Currently dealing with a user who is having trouble using RDP to access their PC...from said PC

You mean they're trying to use the PC to RDP into itself? That doesn't work. You can do that with VNC servers and clients, but ,though it looks pretty cool, it's not useful (You get an effect much like being between two parallel mirrors, as the PC shows an image of it's display, showing an image of its display ...
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I just heard the phrase "I don't like Apple computers, they are too complicated" uttered by one of my customers.
Depends what you're used to.
A lot of the "it's so easy to use" is predicated on the assumption that you've used something similar in the past and that the user experience has been improved since then, if you have no baseline of how to use the product then it's just a bunch of shiny icons.
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But do you have anything at all that can actually read a 5.25" disk?
Actually, yes. Several in fact.
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Depends what you're used to.
A lot of the "it's so easy to use" is predicated on the assumption that you've used something similar in the past and that the user experience has been improved since then, if you have no baseline of how to use the product then it's just a bunch of shiny icons.
My first experience with a Mac many years ago taught me that sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
My first experience with a Mac many years ago taught me that sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures.
On the other hand, I may have told this story before. When I was in high school in 1986 there were two labs - an IBM lab filled with IBM clones, and a Mac lab filled with 512k and 800k Macintosh computers. Prior to this the only computer I had used regularly was a TRS-80.

One day I walked into the IBM lab, switched on a computer and was presented with this:

A:/_

I had no idea what to do. All the other kids appeared to be next door in the Mac lab. I switched it off again, walked out, went to the Mac lab, sat down and received a smiley face on screen. Someone there kindly copied their boot disk and a game, and I was off and running.

The Macs were a whole pile easier for me to use. I used them extensively over the course of the next two years.
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Someone left a floppy in that PC??
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Nope, and there was no-one there to give me one. This was before PCs had hard drives. You needed a boot disk.
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Nope, and there was no-one there to give me one. This was before PCs had hard drives. You needed a boot disk.
That's what I said. You would not have gotten a prompt without someone leaving a boot floppy in it.
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That's what I said. You would not have gotten a prompt without someone leaving a boot floppy in it.
I'm pretty sure it showed the A prompt when there was no disk in the drive, but you may be right. It was obvious when there was a disk in the Mac.
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