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Old 12th April 2018, 08:55 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
It seems to have really started with Sandy Hook, ...

Does anybody know approximately how many actually believe in that one?
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Old 12th April 2018, 10:21 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Does anybody know approximately how many actually believe in that one?
At least one cow-orker at my workplace. Brought up the old "they paid their mortgages" canard (disproven via google in about 5 minutes).
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Old 12th April 2018, 10:24 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Does anybody know approximately how many actually believe in that one?
Kyoon & Malbec.

And Alex Jones too.

And The Vigilant Christian from YT.
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Old 12th April 2018, 12:31 PM   #44
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Any proven examples of fake bodies or crisis actors?

The execrable Jim Fetzer. (Link broken intentionally- just delete the space)

https://www.goo dreads.com/book/show/27745089-nobody-died-at-sandy-hook

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Old 18th April 2018, 02:44 PM   #45
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and Alex Jones is being sued by the Sandy Hook families. I cant imagine anything more cruel than to dismiss their grief as an act
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Old 18th April 2018, 02:55 PM   #46
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and Alex Jones is being sued by the Sandy Hook families. I cant imagine anything more cruel than to dismiss their grief as an act
About time. I think more victims should step up against that loon. The Boston Marathon Bombing victims should be next to sue him.
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Old 18th April 2018, 03:16 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
About time. I think more victims should step up against that loon. The Boston Marathon Bombing victims should be next to sue him.
I think I could forgive him if he were loony. But I don't think he believes any of his BS for a second. He's a vile, greedy, slimeball willing to make money from people's sorrow and trauma. I can't believe nobody as ambushed him and beaten the crap out of him yet. Probably because his victims have more class and compassion than pigs like himself.
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Old 18th April 2018, 04:37 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry View Post
I think I could forgive him if he were loony. But I don't think he believes any of his BS for a second. He's a vile, greedy, slimeball willing to make money from people's sorrow and trauma. I can't believe nobody as ambushed him and beaten the crap out of him yet. Probably because his victims have more class and compassion than pigs like himself.
Pretty sure he's just a con-artist and not a real CTer. Just like Icke.

Plus most stuff from Infowars remind me too much of Fox News...
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Come to think of it, there was a video put out by pro-separatist Russian media during the Ukraine crisis that claimed a 3 year old girl was crucified by Ukrainian nationals. I can't for the life of me find that video anymore, but it was produced by a mainstream Russian outlet. That's the very definition of staged, with the crisis actors being the mother and some children featured in the story.

When most of your world consists of the Anglosphere, it's hard to find real examples of
this really archaic propaganda. But that's where the subjects of most well known conspiracy theories reside.

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When most of your world consists of the Anglosphere, it's hard to find real examples of this really archaic propaganda.
I don't think it can be that archaic, really. It only really makes sense with the advent of photography. Setting up a fake scene "live", for an audience right there on site, is going to be too risky or too elaborate. But once you start photographing things, you can use framing and cropping tricks to conceal details that would be in plain sight of anyone actually on the scene. That's what we see with the Palestinian efforts in this regard. So I think it's actually a very modern form of propaganda.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't think it can be that archaic, really. It only really makes sense with the advent of photography. Setting up a fake scene "live", for an audience right there on site, is going to be too risky or too elaborate. But once you start photographing things, you can use framing and cropping tricks to conceal details that would be in plain sight of anyone actually on the scene. That's what we see with the Palestinian efforts in this regard. So I think it's actually a very modern form of propaganda.
Good point.

I guess I should say that their material is often too unbelievable to take seriously. That's what's archaic. Often it comes across as really corny and amusing to us in the West, and we are often quite eager to pick apart and question our own governing institutions (because we can).

Hey, conspiracy theorists should be glad there's a First Amendment!
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Some of the prominent "survivors" of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting are known performers advertising for work.
Which makes perfect sense. If you have a political movement and you want someone to stand at a podium and give a speech, you pick the ones the most comfortable and experienced with standing before an audience.

You know, the same way the professional drivers in a given population tend to coincidentally be the ones with drivers licenses and driving experience .

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Plans for the shooting and following events were made months before the actual event and this is publically available information.
Can you CTers explain to me how you seriously believe this stuff?

"Hey, we have this evil plan we absolutely need to keep secret, let's be completely overt about it by talking about it in interviews or invite people to rallies before the event happens!"

Not even the terrorists in the Four Lions movie were that stupid.
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