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Old 13th May 2018, 08:18 PM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
[*]Were the Americans on board spooks?

They are now.
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Old 14th May 2018, 03:37 AM   #1442
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Originally Posted by LondonJohn View Post
Exactly. Since very early on, all the evidence has pointed to one horrible scenario: the Captain committed a premeditated act of murder/suicide by incapacitating the passengers and other crew, then flying south (probably until the aircraft ran out of fuel) and either ditching or impacting at speed from height into the ocean.

And to address the matter of incapacitating everyone else on the aircraft, it would have been a reasonably simple procedure - and one which is wholly supported by the available radar evidence. The Captain would have got the First Officer out of the flight deck (either because the FO left to go to the bathroom, or because the Captain invented some reason for the FO to go back into the main cabin). Once the FO was out of the flight deck, the Captain ensured the door was locked (and also disabled the transponder, and very probably pulled the circuit breakers on the CVR and FDR), disabled the cabin pressurisation system, and then took the aircraft up to its operational ceiling height. The oxygen masks would have dropped down in the cabin, and the cabin crew (and FO) would also have had access to small bottles of oxygen (enabling them to stay portable). But those oxygen delivery systems would have expired after around 15 minutes. By contrast, the flight deck emergency oxygen system lasts much longer - in most modern airliners they can last for hours (and indeed US regulations, for example, demand that pilots wear oxygen masks constantly if the aircraft is above 25,000 feet and only one pilot is on the flight deck).

So, with the aircraft at around 40,000ft, and with the cabin pressurisation disabled, the available emergency oxygen in the main cabin would have run out within around 15 mins. After that, the passengers and crew (including the FO) would have had no choice but to breathe the depressurised air - whereas the Captain would still have been fine on oxygen in the locked flight deck. Humans breathing in air at 40,000ft pressure simply cannot get enough oxygen to function, and they pretty quickly (within 5-10 mins) succumb to the effects of hypoxia: they would have become drowsy and confused, then gradually fallen asleep, then fallen into a coma as their brains became oxygen starved, and within a further 15-20 mins they would have lapsed into irreversible brain damage.

So within around half an hour, the Captain would have got himself into the position he wanted: every other person on the aircraft - including the FO - would have been entirely incapacitated and probably effectively brain dead. The Captain could now bring the aircraft down to whatever altitude he chose, and either repressurise the aircraft or keep it depressurised and continue to wear his oxygen mask.

How can you be sure it was the pilot? The cockpit could have been invaded by a criminal posse or one or more other persons, such as a mentally ill loner, or a terrorist. (The fact he had a flight simulator at home, is not unusual for someone working in the aviation industry.) He, or the co-pilot, could have been in a criminal collaboration with mysterious others.

The pilot is no.1 suspect, but it doesn't follow that therefore, he did it.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:53 AM   #1443
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Old 14th May 2018, 02:33 PM   #1444
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Posse?
Hmmm did any celebrities (real, semi, fleeting or temporary) disappear on that flight or at that time?
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Old 14th May 2018, 03:04 PM   #1445
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
How can you be sure it was the pilot? The cockpit could have been invaded by a criminal posse or one or more other persons, such as a mentally ill loner, or a terrorist. (The fact he had a flight simulator at home, is not unusual for someone working in the aviation industry.) He, or the co-pilot, could have been in a criminal collaboration with mysterious others.

The pilot is no.1 suspect, but it doesn't follow that therefore, he did it.
Nobody is was "sure" that it was the pilot. The evidence has always pointed at that be a more likely scenario which, in the absence of any evidence to date of other parties being involved.

If we ever find the aircraft, maybe more evidence will turn up and that can be evaluated then. Until then, feel free to speculate.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:07 PM   #1446
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An old woman with a ouija board told me the culprit was the chesty stewardess... the motive was love.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:57 PM   #1447
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Aussie analysis here.
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Old 15th May 2018, 12:37 AM   #1448
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
How can you be sure it was the pilot? The cockpit could have been invaded by a criminal posse or one or more other persons, such as a mentally ill loner, or a terrorist. (The fact he had a flight simulator at home, is not unusual for someone working in the aviation industry.) He, or the co-pilot, could have been in a criminal collaboration with mysterious others.

The pilot is no.1 suspect, but it doesn't follow that therefore, he did it.

Others have already pointed out to you that I am not "sure" it was the pilot Captain - and nor did my post imply that in any way. Rather, my post stated clearly that all the current available evidence supports the proposition that the Captain committed this act.

But to address your other possible scenarios: firstly, the available radar data indicating the aircraft's complex manoeuvres, coupled with the known evidence that the transponder was intentionally disabled, indicates strongly that whoever was in control of the aircraft was an experienced and accomplished pilot. Secondly, if others seize control of an aircraft, they almost always do so in pursuit of a cause or agenda (for example, the 9/11 terrorists or the PFLP/German Cells hijack of the Air France aircraft which culminated in the Entebbe raid by Israeli special forces). In the case of MH370, no demands were ever broadcast and the flight path of the aircraft does not suggest any attempt to pursue a publicity agenda or ultimate goal.

All of the above forms part of the overall evidence set - a set which, as I said, points strongly towards only one reasonable scenario: that one of the two flight crew on MH370 embarked on a deliberate, choreographed act to disable/kill everyone else on board (including the other pilot) and fly the aircraft into oblivion - with a deliberate attempt to ensure that the aircraft would never be found. And of the two flight crew, again the current known evidence indicates that the Captain is much the likelier culprit.

But...... nobody (including me, of course) can be certain that this definitely was the case, unless/until either the aircraft is located and/or other new evidence of some form comes to light. However, in the meantime there is sensible, informed speculation backed by the known available evidence - and there is much more fanciful speculation which tends not to be supported by the known available evidence.
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Old 25th May 2018, 04:28 AM   #1449
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
An old woman with a ouija board told me the culprit was the chesty stewardess... the motive was love.
On YT there's a compilation of last words by pilots before their plane crashes. This one flight a plane inexplicably nosedived and crashed. One of the pilot's last words were, "I'm sorry [first name of other pilot]" moments before impact. I reckon if the NTSB investigators listed to the cockpit voice recording very carefully they would be able to hear some slurp noises.
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Old 25th May 2018, 04:38 AM   #1450
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Others have already pointed out to you that I am not "sure" it was the pilot Captain - and nor did my post imply that in any way. Rather, my post stated clearly that all the current available evidence supports the proposition that the Captain committed this act.
(<snip>)
However, in the meantime there is sensible, informed speculation backed by the known available evidence - and there is much more fanciful speculation which tends not to be supported by the known available evidence.

Recently, I watched an online video about the flight being deliberately navigated along national borderlines to best avoid attracting military planes. The plane then tipped it's wing as it flew over the hometown of the pilot. Supposedly the pilot wanted to take a final look at his hometown.

The journalist asked the "expert" how we know the plane tipped it's wings when it did. I don't now recall the answer.

MH370 serves as click-bait for media so I don't know how recycled the story was. Apologies if this has been raised before on this thread.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:56 AM   #1451
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Are we at the end of the search? Ocean Infinity’s agreement with the Malaysian government comes to an end on May 29 so with no funding, or promise of funding since the present agreement was no-find no-fee, the search will end unless some new arrangement is made. Can’t see a private company or individual coming up with funds as there is virtually no return on the investment.
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