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It's not so much a question of faulty memory, I think, and being a woo obviously makes her unreliable if we are talking about cosmology, but we're not. When she ”accused him of telling students they could pass Astronomy 101 if they gave him a blow job,” you would expect others to come forward to back up her claim. Nobody has, apparently. My guess, based on her own account, is that she made it all up – but not necessarily with ill intent. When I was in college, a student had a mental breakdown and accused a teaching assistant of having impregnated her. This may be a similar story. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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I don't know how other people should perceive them but I assume it's bullcrap until evidence is presented. I have been falsely accused of harassment before (and proved it was false), and I'm not even a rich and famous celebrity. It can happen to anyone and it may happen to someone else in this forum one day. I do not wish it on anyone.
In these days of "victimhood", fingerpointing and overly sensitive people in general, I am far from taking anyone at their word on this. "#Metoo! I'm a victim too, I must be!" is about where I'm at with all this. Show evidence or shut the f up. The medias reporting of anyone with a claim is, I think, detrimental to the overall #metoo thing and is where a lot of my attitude comes from, not my own personal experience. Troubling times. |
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"Never **** crazy"
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Jesus wept, if I detailed every incidence in which a woman had made lewd suggestions to me it would take me until 2050 (and I'm uglier than a hog). It's called life, you idiot woman, so suck on that.
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To be absolutely sure I understood it correctly, I looked up proposition, but I still don't see any real problem ... unless his jokes were really bad. He propositioned, she declined. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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It just occurred to me that we have this move in salsa rueda Cubana:
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Neil Degrasse Tyson Sexual Misconduct Allegations
Amazingly, seems that no one in this forum is talking about this.
Four accusers so far. Out of all of them, the worst and most critical accusations is one of drugging and raping a woman. This is a really disappointing one. Neil always struck me as a good person. If something as dark as this can be true, then who the hell can we trust? |
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A few people are - http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ighlight=tyson
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For whatever reason, the discussion is happening in the skeptical movement "sexual misconduct allegations" thread:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ations&page=61
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Also, if these accusations are causing you to reconsider trusting anyone, perhaps you should take a closer look at your emotional attachment to media personas. If nothing else, the Cosby thing should have driven home the lesson that "always struck me as a good person" isn't really a rational basis for assigning trust to a public figure. |
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For the record, it's a lot of horse **** until proven.
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Hopefully Ron doesn't think that the impression he gets from the public persona of a celebrity figure says anything at all about the trustworthiness of people he actually knows personally.
"People are saying the I ******* Love Science poster boy has done some bad things. Now I don't even know who my best friend of 20 years really is anymore!" |
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This is like the third thread I've seen on it here?
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Thanks for the merge. I hadn't seen the other threads. Either way, I was a bit amazed to see none of those threads in the first page, which means that the discussion was abandoned even though this case is barely starting to heat up as we speak.
So far we got four accusers. The more accusers, the less likely that they are lying. I still hold some hope that this could be at the very least a misconstruction of some sort. |
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Clues that multiple accusations are not stronger evidence than any of them individually: There is no pattern there.
The most credible one, maybe he put the moves on his partner. I didn't find that one all that egregious. It's not like he got aggressive. He may or may not have had sexual intentions but I'm not in the 'you can never date a coworker' camp. As for the grad student affair, read Tyson's response. It's a more reasonable explanation than the accusation which there is no evidence Tyson was behaving that way in college. |
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It seems a new pink dwarf planet called Farout - on account of its distance from the Sun - has been discovered. I hope Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn’t go looking for it.
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No. Actually that's my bad. I phrased the post incorrectly. I should have said "If true, then that would be really disappointing". Believe me, I wish nothing more than these accusations being false. But in the past, this has not been the case. Typically, one accusation comes out and the accuser says nothing or denies it. A second one comes out, same thing. Then a third..... by the time there's about four or more than four, then the accuser starts going like "Ok, lets run an investigation to find out what happened" or then starts to be more vocal and addresses the situation by saying "it's true that he did know the women but it didn't play the way they describe it".... and then at the end, when the heat has been raised enough, and there's lots of accusers and of articles describing what happened, plus the investigation; the accuser ends up having to admit that the accusers were actually right and apologizes. That is more or less how this has been playing out in the past.
This is why I'm having a bad feeling about this. Still, I'm hoping that in this case, it's not true. |
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In this case I'm inclined to give NDT the benefit of the doubt. Mostly.
The primary reason is that the new allegations don't fit the pattern of the old allegation. He stood accused of drugging and raping someone, but the other allegations are nothing like that and so don’t support that as a pattern of behavior. The most credible allegation is from Ms Watson, the former assistant and driver. If NDT really told her she was too “distracting”, aka sexy, to be a producer, then he crossed a line. You’re just not allowed to deny someone a promotion because you find them too attractive and doubt your own self-control. At the same time, I don’t think that rises to a career-killing revelation like the allegations against Cosby, Weinstein and Spacey are. If true, or even if just unable to be proven false, the cure should be more like a couple hours of mandated sensitivity training for the perpetuator and a modest but nice settlement for the victim. |
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Whoa, he worded at someone??? That's TERRIBLE! He should be shot immediately
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Errrrr..... fundamentalists =/= terrorists.
Tyson was saying Arabic star names confounded the point Bush was trying to make. Stars named by Arabs does nothing to confound a slam against terrorists. And did you notice that Tyson had admitted his error and apologized to Bush? Tyson's words:
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Tyson's been getting around.
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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