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Old 6th February 2018, 02:22 PM   #1
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North Tower: southwest corner flash 20 minutes before collapse

After the South Tower collapsed, NYPD helicopters relayed information about the deteriorating conditions of the North Tower. At 10:20 am, the NYPD aviation unit reported that "the top of the tower might be leaning", and a minute later reported that the North Tower, "is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south". At 10:28 am, the aviation unit reported that "the roof is going to come down very shortly".[26] The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...he_North_Tower

Video of bright flash originating from the southwest corner of the North Tower while it still stood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqq3PxPxqKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtLTkIZTnc&t=10m13s

I have never actually seen photographic evidence that the entire upper section of the North Tower was leaning to any degree. I used to think this was an optical illusion caused by the heat of the fires causing some perimeter parts to bend inward, but this is something I havean't seen until now.

More strange anomalies on the corners of the Twin Towers during the collapses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETntmSrT7g8

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20 minutes? We don't have demolition explosives like we used to...
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Old 6th February 2018, 02:49 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
After the South Tower collapsed, NYPD helicopters relayed information about the deteriorating conditions of the North Tower. At 10:20 am, the NYPD aviation unit reported that "the top of the tower might be leaning", and a minute later reported that the North Tower, "is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south". At 10:28 am, the aviation unit reported that "the roof is going to come down very shortly".[26] The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...he_North_Tower

Video of bright flash originating from the southwest corner of the North Tower while it still stood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqq3PxPxqKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtLTkIZTnc&t=10m13s

I have never actually seen photographic evidence that the entire upper section of the North Tower was leaning to any degree. I used to think this was an optical illusion caused by the heat of the fires causing some perimeter parts to bend inward, but this is something I havean't seen until now.

More strange anomalies on the corners of the Twin Towers during the collapses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETntmSrT7g8
Wow, evidence fire brought down the WTC towers. You debunked 9/11 truth. Good job. It only took you 16 years to figure out 9/11.
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Old 6th February 2018, 02:56 PM   #4
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Fire! Well done.
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Old 6th February 2018, 03:25 PM   #5
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Corner flash?

Yeah, I remember them - a couple hits back in the 80’s then they faded away.

What? They did 9/11?
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Old 6th February 2018, 03:37 PM   #6
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Well, 9/11 did harden my heart, and the song was written exactly 20 years prior! A coincidence?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

About as relevant as the rest of the comments here so far
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Video of bright flash originating from the southwest corner of the North Tower while it still stood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqq3PxPxqKA
Flash? You mean the fire? The raging inferno of a fire.

Glad we could clear that up.

In future my advice would be to avoid this pathological anomaly hunting nonsense. That isn't how real investigation works.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

About as relevant as the rest of the comments here so far
I saw at least two that said it was fire, and the videos you posted proved it was fire.

And you posted a song about ducks because of course you did.
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You might want to expand on your link if you want people (me anyway) to click.

ETA never mind, I'm sure it was hilarious.
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I don't know, that's pretty bright compared to the fire right above it. That almost shows up as pure white to the camera. This flash shares much more of a resemblance to that other one filmed high up on the corner of the South Tower than a random burst of fire. What floor is that? I wonder if I can find any better camera angles. It would not be hard to at least poke around http://www.911conspiracy.tv for a while. Be back soon.

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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
I don't know, that's pretty bright compared to the fire right above it. That almost shows up as pure white to the camera.
And?
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

About as relevant as the rest of the comments here so far
When the beginning premise is as mind-numbingly stupid as "explosives went off - see the flash!" but the tower didn't collapse for 20 MINUTES, what more do you expect?
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Another shot of that big ugly flash on the northeast corner of the South Tower:

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Apart from posting old videos, is there a point to this thread?
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Another shot of that big ugly flash on the northeast corner of the South Tower:
And it's still fire. As much as you want it to be whatever it is you want it to be, fire is fire. What you want doesn't change that.

IF there is a point to any of this will you be getting to it in our lifetimes?
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And it's still fire. As much as you want it to be whatever it is you want it to be, fire is fire. What you want doesn't change that.

IF there is a point to any of this will you be getting to it in our lifetimes?


Was there fire on the floor of the corner flash? And why does the flash correspond with the structure of the building buckling at that point?
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
https://media.giphy.com/media/26DN1F...EH0Q/giphy.gif

Was there fire on the floor of the corner flash? And why does the flash correspond with the structure of the building buckling at that point?
Yes.
And what difference does it make.
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Amazing! combustable items combusting infront of a camera! Someone call Guinness, I think we have a new record, has anyone ever filmed anything combustable catching on fire before? .... what? They have? Many millions of times?

Well scratch that then.
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Before we set off on a new course, how about you explain how a 2004 report about fire investigations guidelines proves their was negligence in the 9-11-01 investigation
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Before we set off on a new course, how about you explain how a 2004 report about fire investigations guidelines proves their was negligence in the 9-11-01 investigation
I'd like to see the answer to this as well..............

After that..................maybe the all important "and" question.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
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Was there fire on the floor of the corner flash? And why does the flash correspond with the structure of the building buckling at that point?
You're serious?
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A flash is evidence of what? Could it be fire? Electrical short? What is MJ's claim? Posting a bunch of videos and not explaining each one - big fail. A flash, and no explosion. Was it a dud.

MJ, the flash comes after the collapse started. OOPS (did someone fake the flash, is that the original video? Got proof MJ)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

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Nope, that is called projection, you posted what 9/11 truth does, with the Duck Song. It is the story of 9/11 truth. You are a genius, and you don't know it.
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MJ, the flash comes after the collapse started. OOPS (did someone fake the flash, is that the original video? Got proof MJ
Score one for beachy:

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Running the slo-mo video at quarter-speed shows the building was indeed collapsing before the photographer set off his flash.

The screen grab behind the spoiler shows the barely visible flash beginning at approximately 6 into the video, well after the collapse began.

(Wrapped in a spoiler to hide large pic)



Fail.
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[color="Blue"] ... More strange anomalies on the corners of the Twin Towers during the collapses: ...
There are no anomalies, there is a massive lack of knowledge. Stange?, a flash in a fire, a flash in a collapsing building?

"Got any grapes?", like 9/11, you failed to study the video, "The Duck Song". It is a parable about 9/11 truth lies, the search for "overwhelming evidence".

We take you to the store, get you a grape, and you don't want it. You been asking for grapes over and over, and you don't want it. You just want to keep asking. The video is about 9/11 truth.

Maybe one day you will want lemonade, when you know who did 9/11, 19 terrorists.
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As a reality check, here's how demolition explosives look like.



See the ejections? More so in a steel structure. Even more so if surrounded by dust and smoke, as in one of your "flashes". [ETA: For another of your "flashes", see minute 0:57 in this video which offers a closer view of the zone you were asking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA]

Any rational person would conclude that these can't be explosives. Also, thermite is slower burning. Slow burning = no flash; fast burning = bang = ejections. These always go together. You can't escape them no matter how much you run.

Furthermore, could you explain how a building that was able to sustain damage from a plane, which cut multiple perimeter columns, would fall with just that very minor and localized damage?
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Here's an honest question:

Why do CTists think that every single thing we see in the towers has to have been well-documented before? First of all, it was a one-time event unlike any in history. We cannot ever reproduce all of the physics of that day. Second, the camera work from that day consisted of whatever was on-hand, compressed in whatever format the station used, broadcast in whatever definition tv's had. There is no reason to think that we'd get any clear footage of anything or that we'd be able to definitively say what the footage showed even if we had.

"This looks weird to me, thus it is weird," is not sound reasoning.
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"This looks weird to me, thus it is weird," is not sound reasoning.
Have a couple bong hits and you'll realize how silly you sound.
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You know what's really scary? It's 2018. That means we're gonna have Truthers that weren't even alive when 9/11 happened, if we haven't already.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
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Was there fire on the floor of the corner flash? And why does the flash correspond with the structure of the building buckling at that point?
Ever seen Bellows?
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There are flashes long before collapse begins, and flashes after collapse is well underway. There are no such flashes IMMEDIATELY BEFORE collapse commences. So these are demolition charges, MJ? You must be convinced that the demo charges that brought down the WTC were visible - except for those that actually brought down the WTC.

What a schizophrenic position to hold!
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Have the whereabouts of the Furious Five been accounted for?

(No, not the fighting animals in the Kung Fu Panda movies. The 80's rap group with Grandmaster Flash... oh, never mind.)
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I don't know, that's pretty bright compared to the fire right above it. That almost shows up as pure white to the camera. This flash shares much more of a resemblance to that other one filmed high up on the corner of the South Tower than a random burst of fire.

Wow, check that out! It's exactly the kind of bright sustained flash that a demolition charge wouldn't cause!

You may be on to something. Something besides explosives might have caused the towers to collapse! But what? What could it possibly have been?
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Another shot of that big ugly flash on the northeast corner of the South Tower:
What flash?
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What flash?
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
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Was there fire on the floor of the corner flash? And why does the flash correspond with the structure of the building buckling at that point?
Why is it that CT's always need the bleeding obvious explained to them?

Tell you what, why don't you stop playing games. Everyone who has responded to you so far has said what it obviously is - fire. You apparently disagree. So stop JAQ'ing around and get to your point.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS?

WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SINGLE ANOMALY MEANS?

You obviously don't care what anyone else thinks so get on with it already.
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Ever seen Bellows?
I loved "I Dream of Jeannie". Col. Bellows would get so flustered.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
After the South Tower collapsed, NYPD helicopters relayed information about the deteriorating conditions of the North Tower. At 10:20 am, the NYPD aviation unit reported that "the top of the tower might be leaning", and a minute later reported that the North Tower, "is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south". At 10:28 am, the aviation unit reported that "the roof is going to come down very shortly".[26] The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...he_North_Tower

Video of bright flash originating from the southwest corner of the North Tower while it still stood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqq3PxPxqKA

This bright flash was miniscule compared to the raging fire above it and you think it caused the collapse? LOL

Demolition 101 Micah, demolition charges are extremely loud. Please provide audio proof accompanying that flash or any others that day. You've been asked this many times before, for once don't be a coward and run away.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
After the South Tower collapsed, NYPD helicopters relayed information about the deteriorating conditions of the North Tower. At 10:20 am, the NYPD aviation unit reported that "the top of the tower might be leaning", and a minute later reported that the North Tower, "is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south". At 10:28 am, the aviation unit reported that "the roof is going to come down very shortly".[26] The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collap...he_North_Tower

Video of bright flash originating from the southwest corner of the North Tower while it still stood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqq3PxPxqKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtLTkIZTnc&t=10m13s

I have never actually seen photographic evidence that the entire upper section of the North Tower was leaning to any degree. I used to think this was an optical illusion caused by the heat of the fires causing some perimeter parts to bend inward, but this is something I havean't seen until now.

More strange anomalies on the corners of the Twin Towers during the collapses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETntmSrT7g8
To many things in the buildings to have caused it naturally, but it resembles a dust explosion though a broken window, possibly carbon black.
That would be an effect of compression of hot gases dust and oxygen in air producing a gun powder effect my experiments years ago pointed out this would be a natural occurance as well as some friction ignited molten Aluminum.
I can not go farther into this as you can understand don't want to teach people this stuff.
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