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Old 23rd February 2018, 06:44 PM   #41
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More gifs of that South Tower northeast corner flash+expulsion+physical deformation.





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Old 23rd February 2018, 06:59 PM   #42
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The concept of little fiery dust explosions happening in and around the WTC is intriguing, but at the same time this "dust" we're talking about here is pulverized cement and fire-proofing material like gypsum wallboard and spray-applied gypsum fireproofing.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The concept of little fiery dust explosions happening in and around the WTC is intriguing, but at the same time this "dust" we're talking about here is pulverized cement and fire-proofing material like gypsum wallboard and spray-applied gypsum fireproofing.
Translation: It could have been a dust explosion, but I don't want it to be a dust explosion therefore it was not a dust explosion.
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There was extensive fire in the region prior to the top tipping and collapsing.. the burning material was pushed out buy the over pressure. Why should it instantly extinguish? "expulsions" are from over pressure caused by collapsing material.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
Wow, proof of a gravity collapse.

More confirmation of physics, E=mgh. Good job posting proof of a gravity collapse, and the absence of explosives. This was all available live on 9/11, and captured on video for the past 16 plus years. Where have you been for 16 years which has you believing in ridiculous conspiracy theories?

Study fires science please, you are completely in the dark on the subject.
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Originally Posted by StackOverflow View Post
Translation: It could have been a dust explosion, but I don't want it to be a dust explosion therefore it was not a dust explosion.
Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
There was extensive fire in the region prior to the top tipping and collapsing.. the burning material was pushed out buy the over pressure. Why should it instantly extinguish? "expulsions" are from over pressure caused by collapsing material.
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Wow, proof of a gravity collapse.

More confirmation of physics, E=mgh. Good job posting proof of a gravity collapse, and the absence of explosives. This was all available live on 9/11, and captured on video for the past 16 plus years. Where have you been for 16 years which has you believing in ridiculous conspiracy theories?

Study fires science please, you are completely in the dark on the subject.
*Facepalm*

Don't you guys see it?



The "7" is clearly a signal from The Illuminati that WTC 7 was, in fact, the key to understanding the 9/11 attacks as a whole. It don't get much simpler than this. Your failure to grasp this basic clue saddens, angers and somewhat arouses me simultaneously.

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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
*Facepalm*

Don't you guys see it?

https://i.imgur.com/F1UTZlI.jpg

The "7" is clearly a signal from The Illuminati that WTC 7 was, in fact, the key to understanding the 9/11 attacks as a whole. It don't get much simpler than this. Your failure to grasp this basic clue saddens, angers and somewhat arouses me simultaneously.

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Bah. Looks more like Sauron's helmet to me, partially obscured by dust and smoke.

"The Two Towers." Coincidence? I think not.
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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
*Facepalm*

Don't you guys see it?

https://i.imgur.com/F1UTZlI.jpg
Wow, I can see the missiles now! Those two long straight things with the pointy ends, right?

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Originally Posted by StackOverflow View Post
Translation: It could have been a dust explosion, but I don't want it to be a dust explosion therefore it was not a dust explosion.
How would a dust explosion work when the dust is made of mostly gypsum and cement material which is inflammable?
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How would a dust explosion work when the dust is made of mostly gypsum and cement material which is inflammable?
They are not explosions caused by explosives, they are ejections caused by overpressure due to the collapse of massive structural elements.

This was explained in this thread.

This was explained ten years ago when I joined this forum.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
How would a dust explosion work when the dust is made of mostly gypsum and cement material which is inflammable?
Told you to study fire science, and instead you end up in a repeat JAQ

Why did you ignore the smoke? It is as if you never managed a fire, or tried to reduce smoke (looks like dust) in a fire... this is funny, you have had over 16 years to gain the knowledge to understand the 9/11 event was a result of the acts of 19 murderers mislead by UBL to hate, and murder Americans.

16 plus years
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
How would a dust explosion work when the dust is made of mostly gypsum and cement material which is inflammable?
Are you saying inflammable things can't explode?
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Are you saying inflammable things can't explode?
I think he doesn't understand that 'inflammable' isn't the opposite of 'flammable'. Plus, he's equivocating between 'dust explosion' and 'dust expulsion,' because the latter is what we all know actually happened but the former sounds more truthery.

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Old 25th February 2018, 06:14 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Wow, I can see the missiles now! Those two long straight things with the pointy ends, right?

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I see a hand with raised index finger - Jesus admonishing us or someone of that ilk.
That's the beauty of studying chaotic events: You can always see something that makes you go "hmm!".
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I think he doesn't understand that 'inflammable' isn't the opposite of 'flammable'. Plus, he's equivocating between 'dust explosion' and 'dust expulsion,' because the latter is what we all know actually happened but the former sounds more truthery.

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I was rather hoping we could allow MicahJava to work that one out for himself.

Spoilsport.
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Old 25th February 2018, 01:39 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I think he doesn't understand that 'inflammable' isn't the opposite of 'flammable'. Plus, he's equivocating between 'dust explosion' and 'dust expulsion,' because the latter is what we all know actually happened but the former sounds more truthery.

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I forgot for a second that "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing, but certainly you know what I meant and therefore appear to be desperately stalling and wasting time instead of addressing the important information.

I was interested in the concept of dust EXPLOSIONS at the WTC because it sounds like something that might be able to explain the flashes in the photographic and witness evidence. But I won't accept it without evidence or some reasoning to believe that was possible.
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How would a dust explosion work when the dust is made of mostly gypsum and cement material which is inflammable?
Instead of these inane posts, why not put your eyes upon some technical literature to guide you to understanding what you obviously don't understand.
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I forgot for a second that "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing, but certainly you know what I meant and therefore appear to be desperately stalling and wasting time instead of addressing the important information.

I was interested in the concept of dust EXPLOSIONS at the WTC because it sounds like something that might be able to explain the flashes in the photographic and witness evidence. But I won't accept it without evidence or some reasoning to believe that was possible.
Your opinion may be information but it certainly isn't important.
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I forgot for a second that "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing, but certainly you know what I meant and therefore appear to be desperately stalling and wasting time instead of addressing the important information.
Yes, we need to stall and waste time because of the disturbingly rapid progress the truth movement has made towards blowing the lid off the 9/11 conspiracy. After only seventeen years, truthers have actually realised that "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing. At this rate, by about the 23rd century they may have identified a piece of evidence that hasn't already been explained to the satisfaction of everyone sane. We can't allow that to happen.

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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post

I was interested in the concept of dust EXPLOSIONS at the WTC because it sounds like something that might be able to explain the flashes in the photographic and witness evidence. But I won't accept it without evidence or some reasoning to believe that was possible.
Flour dust can (sort of) explode. 'Violently conflagrate' might be the right expression. Who cares.

I read your post as rejecting the idea of 'dust explosions'. Good plan. Why not take a few extra steps and reject the whole nonsense, rather than strain at the gnats of minor detail?
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Old 25th February 2018, 06:06 PM   #61
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

Grain elevator explosion and fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDLkMDJXl_0
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CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!!11!!111!!!11
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While we are at it, here is a quick (under 3 minutes) lesson on what constitutes combustible dust - which may explode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bp9hGxPRlc

This slightly longer (under 5 min) video has some instructional animations on what happens in a dust explosion, e.g. at a wood working shop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70fZqHsEdMo
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The grain silo explosion was very interesting to me.

So is the "dust explosion" theory the same as the "piston" theory, if not then what is the consensus of the users on this forum?
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So is the "dust explosion" theory the same as the "piston" theory,
What's that? I think this is a new one on me.

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if not then what is the consensus of the users on this forum?

A bunch of pissed off arabs.
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The grain silo explosion was very interesting to me.

So is the "dust explosion" theory the same as the "piston" theory, if not then what is the consensus of the users on this forum?
Please outline these "theories" as you understand them. I maybe behind the times but I don't recall their specifics. Thanks.
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The grain silo explosion was very interesting to me.

So is the "dust explosion" theory the same as the "piston" theory, if not then what is the consensus of the users on this forum?
Call me old fashioned, but I'm going with a Boeing 767-200.
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm going with a Boeing 767-200.
A lot you know. Those Boeings didn't use piston engines.
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So is the "dust explosion" theory the same as the "piston" theory, if not then what is the consensus of the users on this forum?
The consensus of the users on this forum, I think, is that the falling upper parts of the towers carried entrained air which increased the pressure in the lower parts of the buildings, and that this pressure increase was partly relieved at specific places and times by breakage of individual windows, leading to expulsion of air with entrained debris. Describing this as the "piston theory" is a strawman argument, designed to prepare the way for an invalid counter-argument that the falling upper sections did not constitute a reasonable analogue to a piston sealed reasonabley well against the inside of a cylinder. In fact, the downward momentum of the air contained in the upper sections of the buildings as the whole assembly fell would have been quite sufficient to give a pressure increase in the lower part of the buildings; it was a dynamic effect rather than a static one, and an over-simplified attempt to describe in terms of equilibrium hydrostatics will most likely lead to a misunderstanding that can then be misrepresented as a refutation.

Put simply: It's more complicated than either of those.

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The consensus of the users on this forum, I think, is that the falling upper parts of the towers carried entrained air which increased the pressure in the lower parts of the buildings, and that this pressure increase was partly relieved at specific places and times by breakage of individual windows, leading to expulsion of air with entrained debris. Describing this as the "piston theory" is a strawman argument, designed to prepare the way for an invalid counter-argument that the falling upper sections did not constitute a reasonable analogue to a piston sealed reasonabley well against the inside of a cylinder. In fact, the downward momentum of the air contained in the upper sections of the buildings as the whole assembly fell would have been quite sufficient to give a pressure increase in the lower part of the buildings; it was a dynamic effect rather than a static one, and an over-simplified attempt to describe in terms of equilibrium hydrostatics will most likely lead to a misunderstanding that can then be misrepresented as a refutation.

Put simply: It's more complicated than either of those.

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I don't think that explains the material ejected thru the windows. I believe it was more something like this:

When the tops of the twins collapsed down from the level of the plane strikes...16 and 32 floors (more or less)... all the material fell down. In 2wtc... with its top tilted some of the material fell outside the footprint... but most of it fell inside the confines of the 4 walls.

The material impacted impacted the floor it fell upon and it collapsed and shattered. Each floor impacted ground the falling material into smaller junks.

The collapse mass was fairly dense and as each slab "yielded" and the air between it and the floor below was "displaced". Displaced air (pressurized) was like air in a bellows being squeezed. It escapes at the locations of least resistance. Some of the air escaped up thru the falling debris...some down a few vertical shafts.... once the slab was shattered. But the basic mechanics was that the falling debris acting like a piston on a cylinder... the facade being the cylinder wall... but that wall's weakest parts was the window glass.

The material ejecta was the contents BETWEEN the slab impacted and the one below. The air volume was roughly 200x200x12' = ~18,000 cubic yards. As the collapse speed was approximated 100' per second (65 mph) ... all the contents of the floor and the 18,000 cu yards of air was forced out through the window glass in ~ 0.1 second. What was ejected? carpet, ceiling tiles, furniture, papers GWB partitions... computers phones... everything... swept outward in 1 second per floor.

As the building was ~ 200'x200' the material near the center... core was ~60'x140'... so air moving 100' from the center to the perimenter would tavel 100' in 0.1 second... 1,000'/second... Speed of ejected material in the pressurized air traveled up to 400-500mph. That is more than a super tornado and it everything between was pulverized and ejected out the paths of least resistance.

Something like the above.
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Aaaand this thread single-handedly refuted Mick West's new video on the flashes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzNW7Hcmhw
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Aaaand this thread single-handedly refuted Mick West's new video on the flashes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzNW7Hcmhw
Since they are not explosions, if they are not glass, what are they?
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There was extensive fire in the region prior to the top tipping and collapsing.. the burning material was pushed out buy the over pressure. Why should it instantly extinguish? "expulsions" are from over pressure caused by collapsing material.
If anything, the rush of air would make the fire burn faster, not extinguish it, if the air was not already oxygen-depleted from the fire.

It's rather amusing that anybody would think that flashes in a building on fire are something remarkable. There is a long list of things it could be: Electrical short, a container of some flammable liquid (cleaning solvent, alcohol, etc.) exploding, dust (it's certainly not a huge stretch to think there could have been combustible material pulverized along with the concrete and drywall), or just a local flareup due to air currents). It would have been surprising if there were not some flashes happening. It's CT anomaly hunting at its finest, only the anomalies aren't even really anomalies.

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Old 4th December 2018, 10:58 AM   #74
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Aaaand this thread single-handedly refuted Mick West's new video on the flashes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzNW7Hcmhw
It does? How so? I don't even see glass mentioned, let along refuted.

In my video I'm referring quite specifically to the single frame white flashes that you see both with the tower as a backdrop, and with blue sky as a backdrop.
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Old 4th December 2018, 11:33 AM   #75
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If anything, the rush of air would make the fire burn faster, not extinguish it, if the air was not already oxygen-depleted from the fire.

It's rather amusing that anybody would think that flashes in a building on fire are something remarkable. There is a long list of things it could be: Electrical short, a container of some flammable liquid (cleaning solvent, alcohol, etc.) exploding, dust (it's certainly not a huge stretch to think there could have been combustible material pulverized along with the concrete and drywall), or just a local flareup due to air currents). It would have been surprising if there were not some flashes happening. It's CT anomaly hunting at its finest, only the anomalies aren't even really anomalies.
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Old 4th December 2018, 03:31 PM   #76
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Aaaand this thread single-handedly refuted Mick West's new video on the flashes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzNW7Hcmhw
A false statement. You failed to refute the video by Mick West.

As for flashes being explosives, that is ridiculous. An explosive would have blast effects. The flashes seen have no blast effects, and are not from explosives. The 19 terrorists failed to bring explosives, they brought planes. You might of missed this as you picked false claims to support with nothing of value.

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Old 5th December 2018, 01:14 AM   #77
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers View Post
dust from volcanoes can create lightening flashes too.
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Old 5th December 2018, 08:03 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by Mick West View Post
It does? How so? I don't even see glass mentioned, let along refuted.

In my video I'm referring quite specifically to the single frame white flashes that you see both with the tower as a backdrop, and with blue sky as a backdrop.
BTW, in my messages to you I probably got North Tower confused with South Tower. The northeast corner flash is from the South Tower.
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It does? How so? I don't even see glass mentioned, let along refuted.

In my video I'm referring quite specifically to the single frame white flashes that you see both with the tower as a backdrop, and with blue sky as a backdrop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqX22TWKZoQ&t=227s
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Old 5th December 2018, 08:18 AM   #80
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Did the physical deformation create the flash of light, or did the flash of light create the physical deformation?
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