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Old 5th October 2018, 10:15 AM   #161
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Funny, I googled around and saw other comments on parallels between QAnon and Church of the Subgenius. One thing that is missing is the whole weird pedophilia obsession of QAnon doesn't exist in Subgenius.

ETA: there is this, though.

http://subgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_Big_Willy_Show
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:17 PM   #162
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Seems the Anons have been busy.

Q related data collections:


Players https://qmap.pub/players

Global themes https://qmap.pub/themes?pg=1

Network graph https://qmap.pub/analytics/network

Resignations https://qmap.pub/resignations

Executive orders https://qmap.pub/docs

Human trafficking https://qmap.pub/kids

Sealed indictments https://qmap.pub/indictments

Analytics https://qmap.pub/analytics

Site info https://qmap.pub/info
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:25 PM   #163
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I looked at some of it. Some pages contain lotsa of raw data so its a 'draw your own conclusions' thing on those.

Personally, I found the Players page helpful for following the he said she said news reports.


Players https://qmap.pub/players

Global themes https://qmap.pub/themes?pg=1

Network graph https://qmap.pub/analytics/network

Resignations https://qmap.pub/resignations

Executive orders https://qmap.pub/docs

Human trafficking https://qmap.pub/kids

Sealed indictments https://qmap.pub/indictments

Analytics https://qmap.pub/analytics

Site info https://qmap.pub/info
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:44 PM   #164
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...and now reading the Global themes page, I see how combining it with the Players page helps to better connect some dots, for anyone interested in more study of the silly fantasies of those wacky kooky deluded Q followers. The more we know, the more we can ridicule them.

Players https://qmap.pub/players

Global themes https://qmap.pub/themes?pg=1
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:49 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Funny, I googled around and saw other comments on parallels between QAnon and Church of the Subgenius. One thing that is missing is the whole weird pedophilia obsession of QAnon doesn't exist in Subgenius.

ETA: there is this, though.

http://subgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_Big_Willy_Show
LOL. So funny.

Who else back in the day heard of Church of the Subgenius, and the like, (Loompanics comes to mind)..? That stuff was wild.
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Old 5th October 2018, 01:57 PM   #166
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Please don't spam links to that nonsense.
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Old 5th October 2018, 02:12 PM   #167
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Seems the Anons have been busy.
Unemployed layabouts have little else to do.
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Old 5th October 2018, 04:46 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
LOL. So funny.

Who else back in the day heard of Church of the Subgenius, and the like, (Loompanics comes to mind)..? That stuff was wild.
I first heard of them in 1984, when I saw J.R. "Bob" Dobbs faces stenciled on columns on the Washington Ave. pedestrian bridge in Minneapolis. I asked a friend who seemed hip to all weirdness and he told me about Church of the Subgenius.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:19 AM   #169
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any scholars available to weigh in on this ?


Quote:
Q says

- the Peter Strzok and Lisa Page text messages now on the record are not a conspiracy theory.

- they will be indicted

- the Strzok/Page emails reveal a plot to frame potus

- corruption at highest levels of FBI and Justice Dept is being investigated.

- FBI counsel James Baker has flipped and is testifying.

- James Comey will be indicted.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:31 AM   #170
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ooopsie, sorry, I forgot to include:

Q implied scholars should watch this brief video before weighing in on my recent post #169 (pasted below the video link, for your convenience)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOwr9PX05p4


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Q says

- the Peter Strzok and Lisa Page text messages now on the record are not a conspiracy theory.

- they will be indicted

- the Strzok/Page emails reveal a plot to frame potus

- corruption at highest levels of FBI and Justice Dept is being investigated.

- FBI counsel James Baker has flipped and is testifying.

- James Comey will be indicted.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:00 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Wild conjecture is pretty much your stock-in-trade. Do you have any evidence for this, and for its claimed significance, or is this just yet more drive-by bilgeburgers?

Dont take my word for the 4,500% increase in sealed documents.

Dont take the anons word for it. They say this is where those wishing to debunk the 4,500% increase in sealed documents can find the raw data.

Public Access to Court Electronic Records

https://www.pacer.gov/



If there are indictments for Comey and Strzok etc, presumably they are in there somewhere.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:10 AM   #172
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Seems the Anons have been busy.


Originally Posted by Resume View Post
Unemployed layabouts have little else to do.

Many Q supporters and anons say those who reject or sneer at their work are butthurt Hillary voters. I disagree.
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Old 7th October 2018, 02:19 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Please don't spam links to that nonsense.
Originally Posted by Resume View Post
Unemployed layabouts have little else to do.
Was I alone in reading Resume's post as a response to carlitos'?
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Old 7th October 2018, 02:20 AM   #174
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
any scholars available to weigh in on this ?
If you care so much about this, bubba, why don't you "weigh in on this"?
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Old 7th October 2018, 02:24 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Dont take my word for the 4,500% increase in sealed documents.

Dont take the anons word for it. They say this is where those wishing to debunk the 4,500% increase in sealed documents can find the raw data.

Public Access to Court Electronic Records

https://www.pacer.gov/



If there are indictments for Comey and Strzok etc, presumably they are in there somewhere.
Again, your claim, your burden of proof. If you think there's something in this conspiraspam you keep posting, say so, and back it up with evidence. If you seriously think I'm going to wade through thousands of court records trying to prove something I have neither belief nor interest in, you should think again.
I'm not taking your word for anything, btw. I'm waiting for you to post some evidence, and make some kind of point beyond "some people said stuff, do my homework for me and check it out".
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Old 7th October 2018, 02:33 AM   #176
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Again, your claim, your burden of proof. If you think there's something in this conspiraspam you keep posting, say so, and back it up with evidence. If you seriously think I'm going to wade through thousands of court records trying to prove something I have neither belief nor interest in, you should think again.
I'm not taking your word for anything, btw. I'm waiting for you to post some evidence, and make some kind of point beyond "some people said stuff, do my homework for me and check it out".
Oh, thank you for taking the time to say that. I get all trying to figure out where to even begin with such conspiraspam.
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Old 7th October 2018, 12:32 PM   #177
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If there was/is the level of corruption and consequences the Q anons are touting, (and resignations, firings, sealed indictments etc) the whole Q thing makes sense, lending credence to "they never thought she would lose so they risked going too far over the line against Bernie and Trump".

If Q anons claims are true and if Hillary had won, there probably would be no investigation, no Grand Jury, no declassification etc

Those are very big 'ifs'. We cannot yet know that all of it is false. Time will tell.

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Old 7th October 2018, 01:05 PM   #178
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If there was/is the level of corruption and consequences the Q anons are touting, (and resignations, firings, sealed indictments etc) the whole Q thing makes sense, lending credence to "they never thought she would lose so they risked going too far over the line against Bernie and Trump".

If Q anons claims are true and if Hillary had won, there probably would be no investigation, no Grand Jury, no declassification etc

Those are very big 'ifs'. We cannot yet know that all of it is false. Time will tell.
What about Trump colluding with the Russkies? Why don't you investigate that one? Too main stream for you? What are you afraid of, Bubba?
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Old 7th October 2018, 01:09 PM   #179
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I've seen everything I could find from both sides of that crucial issue.
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Old 7th October 2018, 01:16 PM   #180
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What about Trump colluding with the Russkies? Why don't you investigate that one? Too main stream for you? What are you afraid of, Bubba?

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I've seen everything I could find from both sides of that crucial issue.

...ie you assume too much. Which is great to know. Thanks !

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Old 7th October 2018, 01:25 PM   #181
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...ie you assume too much. Which is great to know. Thanks !
And your conclusion?
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Old 7th October 2018, 08:49 PM   #182
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https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download

File name:
A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election

Interesting reading. (its long)
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Old 7th October 2018, 09:07 PM   #183
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And your conclusion?

Too soon to say. Wouldnt you agree that I'd be a fool if I didnt wait for more of the recently declassified info?

Funny you should ask, as today Q went and recommended this regarding that.

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...and this is also related to that question you asked.

As new info is still coming out, I question the wisdom in being so certain of oneself as to be drawing conclusions at this point. Wouldnt you agree? We know what Bertrand Russel said.
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Too soon to say. Wouldnt you agree that I'd be a fool if I didnt wait for more of the recently declassified info?
Yeah I'm still waiting on them to declassify the secret Bigfoot proof to make up my mind.
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Old 8th October 2018, 09:14 AM   #186
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What a bunch of dolts these “Q” believers are. They make the Apollo hoax believers seem rational by comparison. Well, I should say they make the ones who only believe Apollo was a hoax look rational by comparison.
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Many Q supporters and anons say those who reject or sneer at their work are butthurt Hillary voters. I disagree.
You see, only layabouts would consider this sort of dank basement whacking-off as "work."
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Old 8th October 2018, 10:18 AM   #188
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Great comments lurkers. Havent been reading Q, I see. Do continue. This just gets better and better.
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Old 8th October 2018, 10:59 AM   #189
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Great comments lurkers. Havent been reading Q, I see. Do continue. This just gets better and better.
Did you know the Clinton's are selling children as slaves?
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Old 8th October 2018, 03:43 PM   #190
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Did you know the Clinton's are selling children as slaves?

I appreciate your revelations. Please do reveal more.
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Did you know the Clinton's are selling children as slaves?
Yes that's right, to work on the farms on Mars.
Damn those martians.
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I appreciate your revelations. Please do reveal more.
"Alex Jones and associates are backed by the Israeli Mossad national intelligence Agency. They are fake MAGA pay-triots, controlled opposition, and fearful of Q who is taking away their base."
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
"Alex Jones and associates are backed by the Israeli Mossad national intelligence Agency. They are fake MAGA pay-triots, controlled opposition, and fearful of Q who is taking away their base."

No no no. Thanx anyway. Thats not what I want, besides thats hardly a revelation anyway, except for revealing your view on what constitutes a revelation.

More revelations like the following would be helpful


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What about Trump colluding with the Russkies? Why don't you investigate that one? Too main stream for you? What are you afraid of, Bubba?
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No no no. Thanx anyway. Thats not what I want, besides thats hardly a revelation anyway, except for revealing your view on what constitutes a revelation.

More revelations like the following would be helpful

Quote myself again.

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Have you checked out "Active Measures". yet?

https://www.activemeasures.com/watch-at-home/

An alternate link (just in case):

http://rlsbb.ru/active-measures-2018...-dl-h-264-ntg/

Dovetails nicely with this PBS Frontline:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/f...umps-showdown/
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Seen 'em. Thanx for links.

Investigation ongoing. Time will tell.
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Great comments lurkers.
Lurkers don't comment.

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Havent been reading Q, I see.
Haven't been given a good reason to.

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Do continue. This just gets better and better.
Only for alternative definitions of 'better'.
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Did you know the Clinton's are selling children as slaves?

To whom?
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To whom?
Hollywood stars - baby blood is what keeps them looking beautiful.
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Hollywood stars - baby blood is what keeps them looking beautiful.


Jesus, what are they teaching NWO recruits these days? That counts as livestock, not slaves.
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Setting aside clintons, etc.

Would such jokes be funny if kids are being sold to pedophiles anywhere, by anyone?
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