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Old 7th November 2018, 08:58 PM   #81
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Old 8th November 2018, 12:22 AM   #82
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What's going on here Super Duper Space Plasma Physicist?

Are you able to clarify since you've also done some work on Earths magnetoshpere
What's going on is what is written down there.
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Old 8th November 2018, 01:12 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
What's going on is what is written down there.

What are these structure called, tusenfem?

I did ask rc but nothing, do you know, tusenfem?

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Results. We find that a shock-like structure is formed upstream of the comet and acts as an electromagnetic generator, similar to the bow shock at Earth that slows down the solar wind. The Poynting flux transports electromagnetic energy toward the inner coma, where newly born cometary ions are accelerated. Upstream of the shock-like structure, we find local energy transfer from solar wind ions to cometary ions. We show that mass loading can be a local process with a direct transfer of energy, but also part of a dynamo system with electromagnetic generators and loads.
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/ab...a32353-17.html
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Old 8th November 2018, 02:46 AM   #84
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What are these structure called, tusenfem?

I did ask rc but nothing, do you know, tusenfem?

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/ab...a32353-17.html
They are called "shock-like structures" just as Jesper writes.
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Old 8th November 2018, 04:14 AM   #85
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Nah, yeah you’ve confabulated it stinky!

What I said is comets are rock but not really knowing the Rosetta mob didn’t have a name for a mixture of ices and dust. So reality check said we, the Royal we, call it rock for WANT of a better term.

So we call comets rock but not actual fair dinkum bona fide true blue rock but a highly porous mixture of ices and dust with a soft fluffy outer layer, a hard crunchy shell and the reminder of said ice and dust mix.

Some said this mix contained MOSTLY ice but data appears to say MOSTLY dust.

So just for ease of conversation we’ll all call it rock as but not actual rock. It’s seems it was just an unfortunate use of the the term that our understanding of cometary nuclei is evolving mostly toward ROCK along with this CONSOLIDATED MATERIAL or BEDROCK and FRACTURED LAYERED TERRAIN. So you see rock is just easier to write 4 letters.

But we don’t mean actual rock, bedrock, consolidated material with fractured and layered terrain.

Now steenkth, are you aware of the electric field centred on the rocky nucleus?
Now we have a new naming problem and we have only just come to an agreement on the rocky looking mainly dust with some ice mixture covered by a hard shell of consolidated materiel being called ROCK because astronomers did not have a name for this mix previously.

so now we have electromagnetic structure connected by electric currents in circuits that can as a load on this circuit or as particle accelerators. astronomers don't have a name for these structures so we call them plasma double layers as this it what these structure look like on paper.

So now we have comets are rock but not actual real rock and double layers that maybe plasma structures very similar to electric double layers.

So, that's that then, it's been fun.
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So now we have comets are rock but not actual real rock and double layers that maybe plasma structures very similar to electric double layers.
Nope, no rock, no double layers. And not a jot of evidence for either. No scientist on the planet is claiming that there is. No discharges, no EDM (lol). I'm sorry, but this woo is as dead now as it always was. An evidence-free zone of scientifically illiterate woo from people who couldn't find their own arses with an extra pair of hands.
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Old 8th November 2018, 04:24 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
They are called "shock-like structures" just as Jesper writes.
Sorry mate, i'm confused. these "shock-like structures" can act as loads and generators?

Do you think there is an electrostatic potential in this shock, like the one you found in Earths magnetosphere, tusenfem?
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Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space

I can hear you grinding your teeth from here jd116!
Nope, just amazed that somebody can be so thick as to misunderstand yet another paper, and pretend that it has anything to do with the unscientific electric comet insanity, which has been thoroughly debunked.
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Nope, no rock, no double layers. And not a jot of evidence for either. No scientist on the planet is claiming that there is. No discharges, no EDM (lol). I'm sorry, but this woo is as dead now as it always was. An evidence-free zone of scientifically illiterate woo from people who couldn't find their own arses with an extra pair of hands.

Read the paper yet jonesey me 'ol m8?

Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space

Oh and not real rock
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Nope, just amazed that somebody can be so thick as to misunderstand yet another paper, and pretend that it has anything to do with the unscientific electric comet insanity, which has been thoroughly debunked.

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In recent years, much evidence has been accumulated which supports the existence of spatially limited regions of strong electric fields (>100 mV/m) parallel to the magnetic field. Evidence which will be reviewed comes from rocket measurements, satellite observations, and plasma cloud releases above the polar ionosphere. The most plausible explanation of such structures is provided by the concept of double layers or electrostatic shocks, which are double layers moving in relation to the plasma. We also review some recent laboratory investigations of double layers which show that double layers can exist for long periods of time. The production of these structures requires large currents.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....G017i003p00418

Do you also go la la la when someone tells you stuff you are just to fundamentally indoctrinated to rationally see whats right before your very eyes in hard scientific data??


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Nope, just amazed that somebody can be so thick as to misunderstand yet another paper, and pretend that it has anything to do with the unscientific electric comet insanity, which has been thoroughly debunked.
Please provide the papers where these structures Wrt comets has been discussed before in peer reviewed mainstream papers.
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Read the paper yet jonesey me 'ol m8?

Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space

Oh and not real rock
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Not relevant to comets, and predates all cometary missions.
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Please provide the papers where these structures Wrt comets has been discussed before in peer reviewed mainstream papers.
Why would I? Nobody is claiming that there are DLs, or EDM (lol). The electric comet is a busted flush. And the author of the paper, J. Lindkvist, has his email on the paper. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to contact him and clarify whatever it is that you are misunderstanding. What are you waiting for?
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Why would I? Nobody is claiming that there are DLs, or EDM (lol). The electric comet is a busted flush. And the author of the paper, J. Lindkvist, has his email on the paper. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to contact him and clarify whatever it is that you are misunderstanding. What are you waiting for?

Your a clever enough cookie jd116, you'll work it out.
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Not relevant to comets, and predates all cometary missions.
Is now champ!
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Your a clever enough cookie jd116, you'll work it out.
Nothing to work out. No doubler layers. End of story. No rock, no EDM (lol). You lost. Get over it.
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so now we have electromagnetic structure connected by electric currents in circuits that can as a load on this circuit or as particle accelerators. astronomers don't have a name for these structures so we call them plasma double layers as this it what these structure look like on paper.
If you would read the papers then you would know this is wrong, why would astrophysicist (not astronomers) not have a name for these structures?
You're jus make up stuff again.
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Sorry mate, i'm confused. these "shock-like structures" can act as loads and generators?

Do you think there is an electrostatic potential in this shock, like the one you found in Earths magnetosphere, tusenfem?
Not surprised that you are confused.
Why not read the papers and the citations in that paper and you will know.
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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....G017i003p00418

Do you also go la la la when someone tells you stuff you are just to fundamentally indoctrinated to rationally see whats right before your very eyes in hard scientific data??


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there is one important word that Goertz writes in his abstract which you seem to miss
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More than ok to say your completely clueless rc!
....
More irrelevant insults and questions to derail rom his electric comet insanity.

A shock-like structure that acts is an electromagnetic generator called ... a shock-like structure !

He needs to learn to understand clear English: Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres
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Aims. We wish to investigate the energy conversion between particles and electromagnetic fields and determine the location where it occurs in the plasma environment of comets.

Methods. We used a hybrid plasma model that included photoionization, and we considered two cases of the solar extreme ultraviolet flux. Other parameters corresponded to the conditions of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko at a heliocentric distance of 1.5 AU.

Results. We find that a shock-like structure is formed upstream of the comet and acts as an electromagnetic generator, similar to the bow shock at Earth that slows down the solar wind. The Poynting flux transports electromagnetic energy toward the inner coma, where newly born cometary ions are accelerated. Upstream of the shock-like structure, we find local energy transfer from solar wind ions to cometary ions. We show that mass loading can be a local process with a direct transfer of energy, but also part of a dynamo system with electromagnetic generators and loads.

Conclusions. The energization of cometary ions is governed by a dynamo system for weak ionization, but changes into a large conversion region with local transfer of energy directly from solar wind protons for high ionization.
Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Another spate of ~296 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 7 November 2018
Another spate of ~303 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 8 November 2018
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Yup, your a complete muppet!
More insults and stupid questions to derail from his electric comet insanity

The more than 9 years of this thread has presented facts about astronomy many times:
  • Comets are left over from the formation of the Solar System.
  • The Solar System formed from the collapse of a nebula.
This is not cosmology !
The nebula hypothesis would exist even if the Big Bang was never proposed or was shown to be invalid. Consider the hypothetical situation of the Steady State Model being currently valid. There would sill be nebula. Solar systems would still form from their collapse.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Now we have a new naming problem and .....
A couple of "new naming problem" lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Comets are actually made up of ices and dust. This is loosely packed by their weak gravity so it looks like "rock". Astronomers sometimes use terrestrial geological terms to describe this ices and dust material. This is because they do not know of anyone insane enough to think that it is actual rock. If they knew about the deluded, lying Thunderbolts cult, astronomers they would ignore the cult for the mutters that they show themselves to be.

A lying delusion of "plasma double layers" when Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres is clear. It is a "bow shock" forming a generator of ions and other areas combining ions (loads). That is a "dynamo system for weak ionization" (67P far form the Sun) that becomes insignificant for strong photoionization (67P near to the Sun).

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Sorry mate, i'm confused. these "shock-like structures" can act as loads and generators?
Once again you cannot understand the English in Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres , Sol88.

There is a single (1) shock-like structure in the paper. It is a only generator. What it generates is more ionized gas n the plasma.
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Read the paper yet jonesey me 'ol m8?

Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space
Once again cannot understand the meaning of the word geophysics!

This is possible double layers forming in Earth's ionosphere and magnetosphere. Comets do not have any magnetosphere. Comet coma are not Earth's ionosphere. There is no evidence of double layers at comets.
The paper is a rather obscure review published in 1979 and only cited 45 times.

Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Old 8th November 2018, 01:35 PM   #106
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Thumbs down Idiocy of an irrelevant paper to derail from his electric comet insanity

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Repeated idiocy of an irrelevant paper to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 can obviously understand plain English and that geophysics is about the Earth, not comets.

Review of Geophysics: Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space (1979) by C.K. Goertz.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
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Old 8th November 2018, 01:50 PM   #107
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Thumbs down A stupid "structures" question to derail from his electric comet insanity

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Please provide the papers where these structures Wrt comets has been discussed before in peer reviewed mainstream papers.
A stupid "structures" question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 points out the misunderstanding of a geophysics paper and gets a stupid question about a different irrelevant paper!

If Sol88 was interested in anything other than spewing out the electric comet insanity over the last 9 years then he would know how to do literature searches. Or even what a scientific paper is! They tend to report new results so it is possible that these structures in this model have not been reported before.

Bow shocks at comets are common knowledge.

Review of Geophysics: Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space (1979) by C.K. Goertz.

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres

Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Old 8th November 2018, 03:49 PM   #108
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Sol88, tusenfem, as usual, puts it well.
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hardly, as there is no electric comet model, we are basically still at stage 1, and will continue to reamain there.
And we're not even talking about the ELECTRIC COMET Theory, merely a model.

Why, why oh why, did you abandon your attempts to present evidence of quantitative, observational consistency with what you said is the ELECTRIC COMET model?

FWIW, your posts seem, to me, to more resemble spam/trolling than anything resembling science.
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Old 8th November 2018, 11:30 PM   #109
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Originally Posted by JeanTate View Post
Sol88, tusenfem, as usual, puts it well.

And we're not even talking about the ELECTRIC COMET Theory, merely a model.

Why, why oh why, did you abandon your attempts to present evidence of quantitative, observational consistency with what you said is the ELECTRIC COMET model?

FWIW, your posts seem, to me, to more resemble spam/trolling than anything resembling science.
Sorry jean tate.

How'd you go answering those question you said you'd get back to me on?


Now tawddle off and use your grey matter.

This latest paper just proves that comets are DOMINANTLY electrical in nature.

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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
A stupid "structures" question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 points out the misunderstanding of a geophysics paper and gets a stupid question about a different irrelevant paper!

If Sol88 was interested in anything other than spewing out the electric comet insanity over the last 9 years then he would know how to do literature searches. Or even what a scientific paper is! They tend to report new results so it is possible that these structures in this model have not been reported before.

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Again you are correct it's ALL new to the mainstream big bangers...like you!
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Old 8th November 2018, 11:41 PM   #111
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
If you would read the papers then you would know this is wrong, why would astrophysicist (not astronomers) not have a name for these structures?
You're jus make up stuff again.
Sure, there called electrostatic shocks (double layers)!!!

These plasma structures (electric fields) that act as as loads and generators are DOUBLE LAYERS!!

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A real proper question to the super duper space plasma physicist;

Why can there NOT be double layers at a comet? All the bits and bobs are there.

Best scientific excuse, lets go...
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Sorry to tell you this, but in plasma physics there have always been electric field, but NOT THE ELECTRIC FIELDS THAT THE ELECTRIC COMET IDEA IS PROPOSING.
Just the presence of an electric field does not "prove the EC idea" (I stop using even model, because there is absolutely nothing there).
Unless you come up with evidence and a model actually describing this electric field around the sun and the adoption of the potential by a comet and the enormous discharges that are talked about by the thunderguys, then and only then can there be any further discussion.
I do not have to defend mainstream physics, which are backed up by good science that actually works, to people coming with "electric ideas" who don't have even the slightest comprehension of physics let alone plasma physics.
EC is dead, unless the thunderguys (or Sol) take actual data into their hands and show that their ideas have merit.
What a publish in a mainstream publication???

imagine that! one paper proves the mainstream has been spreading fairedust for last 70 odd years!!!

Yup I can see that geting published!

I mean you only just come to grips with MASSIVE charge separation at comet and the complete and utter failure of MHD at explaining ANYTHING electrical going on at comets.


AND

There the problem...
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Sure, there called electrostatic shocks (double layers)!!!

These plasma structures (electric fields) that act as as loads and generators are DOUBLE LAYERS!!
so you think that a dl can be either a load or a generator ????
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A real proper question to the super duper space plasma physicist;

Why can there NOT be double layers at a comet? All the bits and bobs are there.

Best scientific excuse, lets go...
turbulence for one
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What a publish in a mainstream publication???

imagine that! one paper proves the mainstream has been spreading fairedust for last 70 odd years!!!

Yup I can see that geting published!

I mean you only just come to grips with MASSIVE charge separation at comet and the complete and utter failure of MHD at explaining ANYTHING electrical going on at comets.


AND

There the problem...
ec is not even trying! don't look at available data! nothing! they only complain about mainstream nit taking them seriously, but what is there to be taken seriously when the ec gang don't even try to show their ideas right by using actual data? even the comments above about mhd shows that you have not the foggiest idea about how plasma physics works. this is such a pointless discussion
btw have you found the important word in goertz's abstract already?
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turbulence for one
No turbulence inside a FAC (Birkeland currnet) you know the things that sustain the DL!

The comet is the load in the circuit!

The BIG problem is YOU still deny (so as to keep earning $$$) electricity can DO STUFF in space!

How far big is the cometary circuit?

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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
ec is not even trying! don't look at available data! nothing! they only complain about mainstream nit taking them seriously, but what is there to be taken seriously when the ec gang don't even try to show their ideas right by using actual data? even the comments above about mhd shows that you have not the foggiest idea about how plasma physics works. this is such a pointless discussion
btw have you found the important word in goertz's abstract already?

Don Scott wrote a paper on Birkeland currents completely nailed it and nothing but venom from the mainstream!!!

So the boys are going it alone now with SAFIRE.

Seems thev'e already out done the "big boys"!

Tokamaks, stellerators...all bull excrement.. ha ha ha giggle snort. assume all they need is a few more billion dollars and bingo. Well we are not quite there, so can we a few more billion please, we are nearly there!

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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
btw have you found the important word in goertz's abstract already?
Important? for you or me?
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
ec is not even trying! don't look at available data! nothing! they only complain about mainstream nit taking them seriously, but what is there to be taken seriously when the ec gang don't even try to show their ideas right by using actual data? even the comments above about mhd shows that you have not the foggiest idea about how plasma physics works. this is such a pointless discussion
btw have you found the important word in goertz's abstract already?

Told you MHD was not applicable at comets. That there was charge separation and the violation of quasi-neutrality!

Seems we have to PIC and there goes the MHD fantasy!

So i'm 100% confident "Double Layers" will be "discovered" at comets.
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