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Old 9th November 2018, 04:00 AM   #121
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So i'm 100% confident "Double Layers" will be "discovered" at comets.
Yawn. Who gives a toss what you are confident of? You are a layman with vanishingly little understanding of plasma physics. What you believe is of no relevance. No rock, no discharges. Your woo is dead.
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Old 9th November 2018, 05:57 AM   #122
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The rock is the load. The load is turning hydrated minerals into dust and some water.

I mean really?
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When gravity is neglected and a constant outflow velocity is assumed, the total flux of non-collisional water vapor in a comet will be constant through any spherical shell around the nucleus at distance r. This is called the Haser model (Haser 1957), and is described below.
the Haser model?? Just as bad as MHD.

You mainstream mob are gunna have to have a look at that assumption.
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Old 9th November 2018, 06:30 AM   #123
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No turbulence inside a FAC (Birkeland currnet) you know the things that sustain the DL!
The turbulence is in the magnetic field, dummy, along which FACs might flow.

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The comet is the load in the circuit!
Is it? Then please show the whole circuit and the appropriate analysis.

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The BIG problem is YOU still deny (so as to keep earning $$$) electricity can DO STUFF in space!
Oh, yeah, my fabulous salary, I really went into science to make a lot of Euros. My "industry" friends are laughing their backsides off when they hear how much I make.

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How far big is the cometary circuit?
How far big?
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Old 9th November 2018, 06:32 AM   #124
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Important? for you or me?
For YOU, because that will decide whether you understand what Goertz has written and how you apply it to Jesper Lindkvist's paper.
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Old 9th November 2018, 06:34 AM   #125
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Don Scott wrote a paper on Birkeland currents completely nailed it and nothing but venom from the mainstream!!!
Scott wrote a silly paper, making it seem he was the inventor of sliced bread.
Search this thread, to find the copious amounts of comments on only the introductory part of what S had written.
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Old 9th November 2018, 06:39 AM   #126
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Told you MHD was not applicable at comets. That there was charge separation and the violation of quasi-neutrality!

Seems we have to PIC and there goes the MHD fantasy!
The stupidity of this message hurts my eyes.
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The rock is the load. The load is turning hydrated minerals into dust and some water.
Nope, no rock. And the water and plenty other volatiles come from the observed ice. No need for idiotic, unscientific electric woo from unqualified loons, thank you.
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Old 9th November 2018, 09:33 AM   #128
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The rock is the load. The load is turning hydrated minerals into dust and some water.

I mean really? the Haser model?? Just as bad as MHD.

You mainstream mob are gunna have to have a look at that assumption.
Serious question, Sol88: why do you think your posts have a serious relationship with science?

I mean, you do not seem to be able to understand even basic physics, you do appear to consider that quantitative analyses have value, you come across as being satisfied with stringing words together that you - and no one else - think are related (never mind their relevance or consistency), and so on.
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Serious question, Sol88: why do you think your posts have a serious relationship with science?

I mean, you do not seem to be able to understand even basic physics, you do appear to consider that quantitative analyses have value, you come across as being satisfied with stringing words together that you - and no one else - think are related (never mind their relevance or consistency), and so on.
this is standard plasma physics.it's just never been applied at comes before.

you get Q from the Haser model... this has been shown by Rosetta to be incorrect but mainstream still use it. causing all sorts of problems.

Just like MHD...

The rock is a foreign body immersed in the electrified solar wind forming a sheath around it.

Much the same as in the biological sense.

in mainstream big bang science nothing is related.

in the electric universe, every thing is related.
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Nope, no rock. And the water and plenty other volatiles come from the observed ice. No need for idiotic, unscientific electric woo from unqualified loons, thank you.
Nope, A'Hearn said mostly rock.

I don't believe he, or M.Taylor think mixtures of ice and dust are rock though.
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Nope, A'Hearn said mostly rock.

I don't believe he, or M.Taylor think mixtures of ice and dust are rock though.
Nope, no rock. Show me the detection of rock. Didn't happen. Stop lying.
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The rock is a foreign body immersed in the electrified solar wind forming a sheath around it.
Not a rock. Stop lying. An asteroid is a rock. What happens to them? Zilch. Why not? Try answering indagator's long ago question that you predictably avoided.
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Time to get back to basics, after all of Sol's gish-galloping and avoidance. Let us remind ourselves of the core claims of the neo-Velikovskian, scientifically impossible woo that is the 'electric comet'.

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Comets are debris produced during violent electrical interactions of planets and moons in an earlier phase of solar system history.
Pure Velikovskian woo. Easily dismissed, as cometary surfaces are not at all like those of any rocky planet. Not to mention the impossibility of these 'electrical interactions'.

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Comets are similar to asteroids, and their composition varies. Most comets should be They are simply “asteroids on eccentric orbits".
So, why don't asteroids on elliptical orbits show cametary behaviour? And why are their measured densities much greater than comets?

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Comets follow their elongated paths within a weak electrical field centered on the Sun. In approaching the Sun, a charge imbalance develops between the nucleus and the higher voltage and charge density near the Sun.
What weak electric field is this? Where has it been measured? Why would it be there?

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Growing electrical stresses initiate discharges and the formation of a glowing plasma sheath, appearing as the coma and tail.
What 'electrical stresses'? And the only glowing going on is mostly due to sunlight reflected from dust.

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The observed jets of comets are electric arc discharges to the nucleus, producing “electrical discharge machining” (EDM) of the surface. The excavated material is accelerated into space along the jets’ observed filamentary arcs.
Oh dear, EDM (lol). Scientifically impossible nonsense. No discharges detected by the magnetometer. Pure woo.

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Intermittent and wandering arcs erode the surface and burn it black, leaving the distinctive scarring patterns of electric discharges.
See above.

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But a much different vantage point on the water question is possible. When astronomers view the comas of comets spectroscopically, what they actually see is the hydroxyl radical (OH), which they assume to be a residue of water (H2O) broken down by the ultraviolet light of the Sun (photolysis).
Which is an outright lie. This was written in 2006, at which time dozens of comets had had H2O definitively detected at them. This goes back to the Kuiper Airborne Observatory observations of Halley in 1985, and Vega's subsequent detections in-situ in 1986.

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In the electric model, negative oxygen ions are accelerated away from the comet in energetic jets, then combine preferentially with protons from the solar wind to form the observed OH radical and the neutral hydrogen gathered around the coma in vast concentric bubbles.
Which is rendered moot by the previous. However, no negative O ions are observed, and there are nowhere near enough H+ ions to create even 1 litre of water. And the solar wind is travelling too quickly to combine with the non-existent O-. And the solar wind is getting nowhere near the comet when it is most active. Pretty dumb stuff.

http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

So, it would appear that this electric comet woo is not only dead, but was never actually alive, due to its scientific impossibility. It can only have been dreamed up by people who are completely clueless about physics in general, and comets in particular. Possibly two thirteen year olds after a glue sniffing session? Certainly not by intelligent adults.
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...Now tawddle off and use your grey matter.

This latest paper just proves that comets are DOMINANTLY electrical in nature.
Usual insults and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Mainstream physics is not the electric comet insanity.
Review of Geophysics: Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space (1979) by C.K. Goertz.
This is a review of the probable observation of double layers in the Earth's ionosphere parallel to the Earth's magnetic field..

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres
This is a model showing the well known physics that a "bow shock" creates ions in plasma and other areas neutralize ions.

Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Again you are correct it's ALL new to the mainstream big bangers...like you!
Usual blatant lie to derail from electric comet insanity.

I did not write that. All papers in every scientific field tend to report new results. That is what fundamentally what a scientific paper is !.

Nothing he has cited is new to any one who has read about physics .
A paper on geophysics from 1979 !
A paper modeling the fact that plasma (the solar wind interacting with a comet coma) is has sources and sinks of ionized gas ! What seems new is that their computer model of mainstream comets gives a location for a source of ionized gas (a "bow shock" or "shock-like structure" formed upstream of the comet).

Review of Geophysics: Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space (1979) by C.K. Goertz.

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Why can there NOT be double layers at a comet? All the bits and bobs are there.
A lying question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

He has delusions about what a double layer is and no idea what "the bits and bobs" that go into forming one.

It is not that double layers are impossible around comets. Astronomers do not think they are possible around comets because of real physical "bits and bobs". 47 abstracts out of millions for 'double layers comet' !

The fact is they have never been detected around comets. The fact is if they formed then they would have few physical consequences. These imaginary DLs would:
  • Be on the scale of tens of meters (some tens of Debye lengths).
  • From in the comet coma, many kilometers away from the surface of the comet nucleus.
  • Be transient in time and space.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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No turbulence...
"No turbulence" idiocy when we have the solar wind with its magnetic field crashing into the comet coma!

Especially idiotic because his latest irrelevant paper is Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres
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Results. We find that a shock-like structure is formed upstream of the comet and acts as an electromagnetic generator, similar to the bow shock at Earth that slows down the solar wind. The Poynting flux transports electromagnetic energy toward the inner coma, where newly born cometary ions are accelerated. Upstream of the shock-like structure, we find local energy transfer from solar wind ions to cometary ions. We show that mass loading can be a local process with a direct transfer of energy, but also part of a dynamo system with electromagnetic generators and loads.
The word shock should give a clue as to what is going on. This is a bow shock. That is a \process making the plasma and its electromagnetic fields swirl around. We call this turbulence.

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Don Scott .....
Ignorant hero worship of a deluded Thunderbolts cult "prophet"

13 April 2018: A couple of the delusions in Scott's Birkeland current paper.

Don Scott is so deluded that he turned the Sun into a white dwarf by having it externally powered !
Astronomy 101: Stars are stable because there is a balance between thermal pressure and gravitational "pressure". First year astronomy students calculate the required temperature and pressure gradient for stars to be stable. That gives a gradient that increases with depth which is physically impossible with an external heat source. The central temperature and pressure must cause fusion according to the known laws of physics. We detect that fusion.

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Told you ...
"Told you" lies about the knowledge of a plasma physicist working on comets to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It was tusenfem who tried to explain the areas of applicability of MHD to all plasma including that at comets. And what tusenfem gets back is insults about his level of knowledge of plasma !

MHD is magnetohydrodynamics. MHD treats plasma as a fluid with a electromagnetic field. There are no individual ions or electrons.

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres is interested in the formation and neutralization of ions. Obviously MHD cannot be used because it would hide the formation and neutralization of ions.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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The rock is the load....
"rock is the load" gibberish to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The only "load" he has cited dis the neutralization of ions in the comet coma in Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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this is standard plasma physics.it's just never been applied at comes before.
A "never been applied at comes before" lie to derail form his electric comet insanity.

His ignorant word salad is not standard plasma physics.

Actual plasmas physics has been applied at comets. The fact that plasma has separated charges. MHD. PIC. Consideration of whether double layers are possible and the answer = very probably no because the plasma and its magnetic fields are too mixed up (turbulent).

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Nope, A'Hearn said mostly rock

I don't believe he, or M.Taylor think mixtures of ice and dust are rock though.
Cannot understand English to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116's Nope, no rock is about the electric comet insanity of actual rock.

This is a part of the electric comet that you are agreeing is insane, Sol88.

No rational person who learns about comets would think that they are actual rock. A'Hearn was rational. A'Hearn did not think that comets are actual rock or that comets were blasted from the Earth including recently, or the actual insanity of EDM on comets, etc.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Time to get back to basics, after all of Sol's gish-galloping and avoidance. Let us remind ourselves of the core claims of the neo-Velikovskian, scientifically impossible woo that is the 'electric comet'.



Pure Velikovskian woo. Easily dismissed, as cometary surfaces are not at all like those of any rocky planet. Not to mention the impossibility of these 'electrical interactions'.



So, why don't asteroids on elliptical orbits show cametary behaviour? And why are their measured densities much greater than comets?



What weak electric field is this? Where has it been measured? Why would it be there?



What 'electrical stresses'? And the only glowing going on is mostly due to sunlight reflected from dust.



Oh dear, EDM (lol). Scientifically impossible nonsense. No discharges detected by the magnetometer. Pure woo.



See above.



Which is an outright lie. This was written in 2006, at which time dozens of comets had had H2O definitively detected at them. This goes back to the Kuiper Airborne Observatory observations of Halley in 1985, and Vega's subsequent detections in-situ in 1986.



Which is rendered moot by the previous. However, no negative O ions are observed, and there are nowhere near enough H+ ions to create even 1 litre of water. And the solar wind is travelling too quickly to combine with the non-existent O-. And the solar wind is getting nowhere near the comet when it is most active. Pretty dumb stuff.

http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

So, it would appear that this electric comet woo is not only dead, but was never actually alive, due to its scientific impossibility. It can only have been dreamed up by people who are completely clueless about physics in general, and comets in particular. Possibly two thirteen year olds after a glue sniffing session? Certainly not by intelligent adults.
This is a timely reminder.

Compare this T&T "Electric Comet" with what Sol88 has been posting these last few weeks: whatever else you might say about T&T's "model", it does have something quite lacking in Sol88's, namely, consistency. Yes, the T&T idea is clearly inconsistent with a wide range of well-established observations ... what can one say about Sol88's "ELECTRIC COMET Theory"?

It's chaotic, incoherent even (ignoring the many spilt words on "Whipple's dirty snowball is RONG!!!").

My attempt to summarize it: comets are "electric" and contain "rock".

Sol88's evidence in support of these two notions is, as far as I can tell, a mix of quote-mining (especially re "rock"), and highly idiosyncratic (and, I might add, creative) interpretations of (fairly standard) plasma physics/space physics (check out his posts on "double layers", for example).
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I mean really? the Haser model?? Just as bad as MHD.
Argument from incredulity and ignorance about the Haser model and MHD.

MHD is the mainstream working theory of plasma. It has been shown to work on all of the plasma that it is applicable to.

A uncited quote from somewhere mentions the Haser model from 1957
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When gravity is neglected and a constant outflow velocity is assumed, the total flux of non-collisional water vapor in a comet will be constant through any spherical shell around the nucleus at distance r. This is called the Haser model (Haser 1957), and is described below.
(may be Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres which is behind a paywall but Google gives that text in the PDF)
That sounds like standard cometary physics. We know that comets have water ice. This water ice sublimates into water vapor. That water vapor escapes from the comet nucleus. If we assume
  • Gravity is weak enough to neglect.
  • The outflow velocity of the water vapor is constant.
Then the flux of "non-collisional water vapor" through a shell of radius r will be constant.

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you get Q from the Haser model.
"get Q from the Haser model" ignorance when Q is an input into the Haser model !

A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets by Cochran, A. L (1985) has a description of the Haser model.
The production rate of the parent Q is an unknown. There are 2 scale lengths to be fitted to the data. The outflow velocity can be set to am empirical formula related to the comet's heliocentric distance.

Mass-loading of the solar wind at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko -- Observations and modelling
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For a comet, when neglecting gravity and assuming a constant outflow velocity, the total flux of non-collisional water vapor will be constant through any spherical shell around the nucleus at distance r. This is called the Haser model (Haser 1957), and is described below to a first order approximation that neglects neutral bi-products once created.

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This is a timely reminder.

Compare this T&T "Electric Comet" with what Sol88 has been posting these last few weeks: whatever else you might say about T&T's "model", it does have something quite lacking in Sol88's, namely, consistency. Yes, the T&T idea is clearly inconsistent with a wide range of well-established observations ... what can one say about Sol88's "ELECTRIC COMET Theory"?

It's chaotic, incoherent even (ignoring the many spilt words on "Whipple's dirty snowball is RONG!!!").

My attempt to summarize it: comets are "electric" and contain "rock".

Sol88's evidence in support of these two notions is, as far as I can tell, a mix of quote-mining (especially re "rock"), and highly idiosyncratic (and, I might add, creative) interpretations of (fairly standard) plasma physics/space physics (check out his posts on "double layers", for example).
Spot on


Comet are ROCK and they're electrical in nature (Kinetic plasma process DOMINATE).


Well done.
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"get Q from the Haser model" ignorance when Q is an input into the Haser model !

A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets by Cochran, A. L (1985) has a description of the Haser model.
The production rate of the parent Q is an unknown. There are 2 scale lengths to be fitted to the data. The outflow velocity can be set to am empirical formula related to the comet's heliocentric distance.

Mass-loading of the solar wind at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko -- Observations and modelling
Well it's wrong ay!

And this as been shown empirically at 67P!

couple other things, seems you don't have powerful enough computer to model ALL the particles and their circuit. So ergo it must not happen because we cant do the modeling...hence MHD!


Also whilst we are on circuits
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For us, this is strong evidence that the dust is electrically charged, and that the solar wind is affecting the motion of that dust."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-insigh...solar.html#jCp



Reality Check, how long is a comets tail?
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Well it's wrong ay!
Irrelevant and wrong "it's wrong ay" gibberish about the Haser model.

The 1957 Haser model is simplistic as the published papers state. It is a correct, empirical model for the production of gases and daughter products from sublimating ices.
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Nope, no rock. Show me the detection of rock. Didn't happen. Stop lying.

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Comets are cosmic crumbs of frozen gas, rock and dust left over from the formation of our solar system 4.6 billion years ago—and so they may contain important clues about our solar system's early history. Those clues are unlocked, as if from a time capsule, every time a comet's elliptical orbit brings it close to the Sun.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-insigh...solar.html#jCp

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4]. Nevertheless, there is still considerable uncertainty about even this basic parameter, not least of which is that most measurements are subject to selection effects in removing refractories from the nucleus to the coma, where they are observed as dust.
Nope, pretty sure A'Hearn knows the difference between ice and rock.

Though you and rc seem to struggle. Strange.


Comets ARE NOT mostly ice but mostly rock. Not some impossible mixture of ice and dust that looks like rock but ROCK.

Seems Whipple pulled the wool over your eye and since you clearly cant think for yourself Jonesdave116, you'd prefer to go ostrich.


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not rated yet Nov 09, 2018

You heard it here, jonesdumb believes Marklund convection, double layers, CIV, and the magnetic pinch effect are just "made up". LOL!



No, you cretin, I do not see them in this paper, you idiot. That is what you made up.


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-11-cosmic...rious.html#jCp
Seems the EU mob where on the money from the start.


And just before rc, jd, jt and the rest pipe up, comets are believed by the mainstream to be the leftovers from the nebula collapse theory that form stars and planets.


You look foolish jd116!

Wrong again...
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Irrelevant and wrong "it's wrong ay" gibberish about the Haser model.

The 1957 Haser model is simplistic as the published papers state. It is a correct, empirical model for the production of gases and daughter products from sublimating ices.
leading you to OVERESTIMATE the water production!

and compounding your errors, "snowballing" from there to end up were mainstream are today. Busy adhoc'n away to SAVE Whipple's model.
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Originally Posted by JeanTate
This is a timely reminder.

Compare this T&T "Electric Comet" with what Sol88 has been posting these last few weeks: whatever else you might say about T&T's "model", it does have something quite lacking in Sol88's, namely, consistency. Yes, the T&T idea is clearly inconsistent with a wide range of well-established observations ... what can one say about Sol88's "ELECTRIC COMET Theory"?

It's chaotic, incoherent even (ignoring the many spilt words on "Whipple's dirty snowball is RONG!!!").

My attempt to summarize it: comets are "electric" and contain "rock".

Sol88's evidence in support of these two notions is, as far as I can tell, a mix of quote-mining (especially re "rock"), and highly idiosyncratic (and, I might add, creative) interpretations of (fairly standard) plasma physics/space physics (check out his posts on "double layers", for example).
Spot on


Comet are ROCK and they're electrical in nature (Kinetic plasma process DOMINATE).


Well done.
That's ... amazing!

In one short post you disavow the T&T Electric Comet model, and confirm that whatever it is you are doing, it is not science.

In other news: oodles of physics and medical research confirms that Sol88 is ROCK and is electrical in nature (Kinetic plasma process DOMINATE).

Who'd'a thunk it?
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The DIRTYSNOWBALL is dead.
Are you a DIRTYSNOWBALL, Sol88?
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couple other things, seems you don't have powerful enough computer to model ALL the particles and their circuit. So ergo it must not happen because we cant do the modeling...hence MHD!
A "hence MHD" delusion from gibberish about PIC modeling.

"Told you" lies about the knowledge of a plasma physicist working on comets to derail from his electric comet insanity.

PIC models do not have to model every single particle in a plasma. There are none of his imaginary "circuits". Each iteration of the PIC simulation applies the appropriate laws of physics between the particles to get the next state of the simulation. This gets computationally expensive for large numbers of particles so there are techniques to reduce the computation.
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Also whilst we are on circuits
Stupidity about charged dust grains to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is standard plasma physics that neutral dust grains in a plasma such as the solar wind become charged. We have known since the 1960's that comet tails are gas and dust "blowing in the solar wind".
New insights on comet tails are blowing in the solar wind

This is nothing do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Reality Check, how long is a comets tail?
An abysmally ignorant 'comet tails' question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

This is a comet tail
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While the solid nucleus of comets is generally less than 50 km across, the coma may be larger than the Sun, and ion tails have been observed to extend 3.8 astronomical units (570 Gm; 350×106 mi).[6]
A part of the insanity of the electric comet seems no actual explanation for real comet tails.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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leading you to OVERESTIMATE the water production!
A "leading you to OVERESTIMATE the water production" delusion to derail from his electric comet insanity.

"get Q from the Haser model" ignorance when Q is an input into the Haser model !

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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... Busy adhoc'n away to SAVE Whipple's model.
"adhoc" and "SAVE Whipple's model" lies and an insult to derail from his electric comet insanity.

We have actual data and real, working physics about comets.
The model of comets being made of ices and dust formed in the early Solar System with the ices sublimating to produce the observed species, etc. has been working for over 60 years. There is not "saving" needed.
An insult that astronomers would deny real world data and physics to "save" a model.

On the other hand, we get ignorant, irrelevant attempts that do not address the dogma that is the already beyond saving electric comet.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Thumbs down A "The DIRTYSNOWBALL is dead" delusion to derail from his electric comet insanity

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The DIRTYSNOWBALL is dead.
A repeated "The DIRTYSNOWBALL is dead" delusion to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Whipple's model form the 1950's is alive and well. The major change is from comets made predominantly of ices to comets with a larger dust component.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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