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Old 28th November 2018, 07:04 AM   #361
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The knowledge has crystallised and the possible effects are more imminent. There's a greater sense of urgency.

And Leavers have had time to learn about the Brexit consequences of which they were either totally ignorant or chose to ignore.
Then let the leavers ask for it. Remainers had their say and it hasn't changed.
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Old 28th November 2018, 07:15 AM   #362
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From a remainer perspective, nothing has changed since the vote. So I don't know why they would call for another vote.
Because it's not the remainer perspective that needed to change. The 48% who voted against leaving have not seen any evidence to suggest we may have made a bad choice, but that's not the choice we're stuck with. The 52% may well have seen evidence that theirs wasn't so good, and may want to change their minds.

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:17 AM   #363
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Do you think leavers/remainers wear little badges to distinguish them?
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Old 28th November 2018, 07:17 AM   #364
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But that all seems like things remainers said would happen. They have no new knowledge that changes the situation from what they said it was at the time of the vote.
It's less about knowledge than about belief. Leavers simply didn't believe that the EU would refuse to give the UK all the benefits of membership with none of the costs. That belief has a great deal more evidence behind it now.

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:18 AM   #365
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Do you think leavers/remainers wear little badges to distinguish them?
Hey, who's been leaking UKIP's next election policies?

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:37 AM   #366
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The knowledge has crystallised and the possible effects are more imminent. There's a greater sense of urgency.

And Leavers have had time to learn about the Brexit consequences of which they were either totally ignorant or chose to ignore.
Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Because it's not the remainer perspective that needed to change. The 48% who voted against leaving have not seen any evidence to suggest we may have made a bad choice, but that's not the choice we're stuck with. The 52% may well have seen evidence that theirs wasn't so good, and may want to change their minds.

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So let the people who changed their minds ask for a new vote. People who had their voice heard, and haven't changed their position, shouldn't be asking for another vote.
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Old 28th November 2018, 07:38 AM   #367
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So let the people who changed their minds ask for a new vote. People who had their voice heard, and haven't changed their position, shouldn't be asking for another vote.
How do you know which are which?

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:40 AM   #368
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How do you know which are which?

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Im not policing anything. It is guidance for ones own personal conduct. I'm indifferent to people ignoring it.
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Old 28th November 2018, 07:47 AM   #369
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I'd just like to apologise to the rest of the people in this thread for taking posts #353, #358, #361 and #366 as sincere and constructive.

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:52 AM   #370
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I'd just like to apologise to the rest of the people in this thread for taking posts #353, #358, #361 and #366 as sincere and constructive.

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They were absolutely sincere.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:03 AM   #371
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and.......?

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Old 28th November 2018, 08:18 AM   #373
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:21 AM   #374
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Hey, who's been leaking UKIP's next election policies?

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Well, UKIP have taken on Tommy Robinson as a paid policy advisor to help make them a 'Mass Movement'
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Oh dear. Health Secretary Matt Hancock, continuing to talk of a “Brexit dividend” for the NHS.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:23 AM   #376
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Constructive?
I am not such an egoist that I'm going to declare something I say is or is not constructive. That isnt for me to judge. But I am probably the best source for assessing my sincerity.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:36 AM   #377
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:40 AM   #378
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I am not such an egoist that I'm going to declare something I say is or is not constructive. That isnt for me to judge. But I am probably the best source for assessing my sincerity.
Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:42 AM   #379
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Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
I'm not saying anyone should listen to them or that my recommendation is a policy for affecting positive results. It is just a statement on good behavior.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:44 AM   #380
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Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
Also the government can't seem to produce a deal that is remotely as popular as remain.
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What you're proposing ... makes no sense.
Consider to whom you are writing this...
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:55 AM   #382
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Also the government can't seem to produce a deal that is remotely as popular as remain.
The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:59 AM   #383
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The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
I had no idea we were so legally tied to an advisory referendum.
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The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 09:05 AM   #385
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I recall a news piece before the Referendum in which various Brits in Spain were interviewed. The ones who were permanent residents were mostly very apprehensive and anti-Brexit, but those who had second homes in Spain were pro-Brexit and thought it would have no effect on their ability to use their properties there.
And, of course, those who were permanent residents for more than 10 (?) years weren't allowed to vote in the referendum.

Isn't there a court case still working it's way through about that?
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Old 28th November 2018, 09:30 AM   #386
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Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 11:57 AM   #387
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Er, the deal she has hammered out puts the UK in a worse position than it is already in. It's like asking for a pay rise and accepting a pay cut.
The deal was always going to put the country in a worse position than its already in.
Anyone who was expecting anything else was delusional or lying.

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No, a brilliant negotiator would have maybe been able to hammer out a win-win deal.
Unfortunately Brexit was always going to be a lose-lose deal.
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Oh dear. Health Secretary Matt Hancock, continuing to talk of a “Brexit dividend” for the NHS.
Of course there will be a NHS dividend, after all the staffing costs will be drastically reduced..
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Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
And it didn't say that it didn't say that it did say it warrants another referendum.!
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Ok. Why are we listening to Mogg on the BofE report? I want to hear from experts so I can weigh up whether I think it is a good report or not.
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But that all seems like things remainers said would happen. They have no new knowledge that changes the situation from what they said it was at the time of the vote.
Brexiteers have new knowledge though. Also, a proportion of voters have died since 2016 and there is a load of young new voters. Given that the margin was only 4%, this is significant.
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Ok. Why are we listening to Mogg on the BofE report? I want to hear from experts so I can weigh up whether I think it is a good report or not.
Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

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Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

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Colossal twat.
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Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

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I'm afraid Rule 10 prohibits an answer.

This news source might give a poetically true* flavour

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20180911177167


Or this one, which is almost actually true

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20181121179672

*untrue
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Colossal twat.
I meant more specific to his background...raised by a nanny, Eton college, Trinity, banking, started hedge fund, then politics....

Is there a particular term for this? I know little about the UK and the only touch point I have for this is "upper class twit of the year" from Monty Python.
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Why are you guys still having to put up with graduates of Eton?
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Why are you guys still having to put up with graduates of Eton?
Because Daily Mail readers are ******* idiots who think people like Rees-Mogg are looking out for the "common man". The sooner that generation is six foot under the better.
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Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

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Monumental antiquated cockwomble.
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