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So Great Britain leaves the EU, the EU tells Great Britain to do something, Great Britain says "Make me."
Great Britain is not a little child that wants to run away from home but can't because Mommy won't let him cross he street. "The EU cannot make countries NOT IN THE FLIPPIN EU do things" is not a discussion. |
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The UK has drafted the 'contract' [agreement] but the row is over whether to sign it as it is. Once signed, the UK will be locked in.
It would be grossly irresponsible to just 'walk'. It has a parliament, a monarchy and the armed orces. There will be a The UK will be blockaded until it honours its legal liabilities. Food manufacturers have started stockpiling. Maybe it is time for ordinary Brits to do the same. Just sayin'. |
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Are Scotland and Northern Ireland still threatening to leave the UK if the UK leaves the EU?
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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Too bad that when the government was fobbing everyone off with platitudes such as “Brexit means Brexit”, the leavers were too busy laughing at the remoaners instead of taking seriously their points that Brexit could mean many different things, and that the leavers couldn’t possibly have known what they were voting for.
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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In this case it'd be that the UK is getting a better position that other, less childish non-member countries, would be getting.
At this point the complaint about not having votes in the EU parliament is probably from people who've only just learned that they had representation there. |
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The thing is, once the UK leaves it doesn't HAVE to follow EU regulations any more.
But the EU will still insist on certain regulations on stuff that gets traded to the EU. So all the UK has to do is stop trading with the EU and all problems are solved. Now admittedly, the EU is the UK's biggest trading partner, but that is something the Leave camp knew beforehand, and they promised that 'it will all go ok', so I'm sure they have a comprehensive plan to replace that trade with something much better. |
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A neighbour posted on facebook an interview on Sky news where an academic pointed out that from the start it was obvious to many (including many in this thread) there were two sorts of Brexit. The Norway/Switzerland approach (or "pointless Brexit") or the highly damaging Brexit.
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I am fully convinced that by the time we have negotiated a new deal, the technology will be in place to deal with the Irish border Issues, It won't matter if you cross on your ihoverboard or fusion powered flying icar, the quantum scanners will detect any goods and deduct the credits from your ibank.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg has moved his Somerset Asset Management company to Ireland to keep it in the EU. That looks like hypocrisy to me by a bunch of millionaire Brexit politicians. The famous old Avon Rubber company in Wiltshire, which is now American owned, is now moving to somewhere like Slovakia. It's not good news even though the public and House of Commons is out of touch with reality and they can only think of cutting public spending and financial and media firms in London.
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They can't MAKE you do something, but they can make your life very difficult if you don't. Especially when you are hugely reliant on them for things like food, medicine, and transportation.
I mean it's fine to be all cowboy about it, but cowboys don't generally have to explain to millions of people why they aren't going to get their insulin, do they? |
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In addition, they are all things agreed to previously.
It doesn't make it any easier to make agreements and treaties if you've broken previous ones. |
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Oh, we don't have to worry about that, they are doubling the stocks of insulin, so the PM won't run out.
Of course, what most people hearing this story don't seem to realise is that storing 16 weeks' supply instead of 8 isn't just a formality, it requires planning, more storage facilities, and costs real money. This will apply to everything that is imported currently, because delays are likely due to the uncertainty, and inevitable extra processing delays even once the uncertainty ends. |
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And honestly in the big scheme of things £40bn is peanuts in comparison to what is being discussed so if it buys you even a little goodwill then its a price worth paying.
It's 1.5% of annual GDP or thereabouts I think. You could probably lose more than that in even a week of transitional chaos from not having a deal. |
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It's not even the case that the EU spitefully will makes things difficult... but in case the UK crashes out without a deal then it must be treated exactly the same as other WTO members with whom the EU doesn't have deals. Else it would unfairly discriminate and would be forced to extend the same preferential treatment to all those countries.
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Why bother with all this 'deals' and 'treaties' garbage? Why don't we go full-on hermit like North Korea? If it's good enough for Kim Jong-un, it's good enough for Theresa May.
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Good interview with Melvyn Bragg
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...99-broadcaster
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Given how little the UK was in the EU when it was in the EU I can't imagine an UK that wasn't in the UK would be all that put off.
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Actually, thinking about Will o'the Wisp, and assuming that you actually are The Moog from that, then my only concern is that you'd be overqualified.
When did you learn that the Dover-Calais crossing was important for British trade? If it was earlier than this month, you'd beat Dominic Raab. And he was an improvement on David Davis. |
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Indeed, and The Moog was nice but didn't think.
So definitely Cabinet minister material - although being nice is probably problematic for this government. But still a step up. |
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