Passing Peak Trump? - Page 5

Trebuchet · 26th January 2016, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

Maybe. He's just pulled out of a debate because he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly.

applecorped · 27th January 2016, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

10/27

Originally Posted by hgc

Slowly, slowly the raison d'être of this thread picks up steam.

Slowest picking up of steam ever.

Puppycow · 1st February 2016, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Maybe. He's just pulled out of a debate because he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly.

Big Chicken Donald Trump couldn't stand up to Megyn, and now Trump is a Chump.

Trebuchet · 2nd February 2016, 12:01 PM

It's not just a river in Egypt...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...51687080644612

dudalb · 2nd February 2016, 02:49 PM

I knew his followers were deluded,but not by that much....

I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats.

Trebuchet · 2nd February 2016, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I knew his followers were deluded,but not by that much....

I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats.

Make it so!

RecoveringYuppy · 2nd February 2016, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats.

Assuming Bloomberg doesn't split the vote even further.

dudalb · 2nd February 2016, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Assuming Bloomberg doesn't split the vote even further.

Bloomberg won't get in unless it looks like a Trump/Cruz vs Sanders race.

Puppycow · 4th February 2016, 09:00 PM

New PPP poll taken after Iowa shows Trump's support dropping by 9 points, Rubio up 8 points.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_20416.pdf

TubbaBlubba · 4th February 2016, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

New PPP poll taken after Iowa shows Trump's support dropping by 9 points, Rubio up 8 points.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_20416.pdf

See, told you, Trump's going to be WINNING over that LOSER Rubio!!

applecorped · 23rd February 2016, 05:10 AM

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

applecorped · 24th February 2016, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

How about now?

Trebuchet · 24th February 2016, 10:26 AM

Hillary Clinton isn't done, either.

sunmaster14 · 24th February 2016, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Hillary Clinton isn't done, either.

No, but she's half-baked.

Trebuchet · 24th February 2016, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by sunmaster14

No, but she's half-baked.

I actually made that joke quite early in the other thread.

Mike! · 24th February 2016, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I actually made that joke quite early in the other thread.

Does that mean you get a royalty, or at least a citation?

Trebuchet · 24th February 2016, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Does that mean you get a royalty, or at least a citation?

I got a citation back in August for following too closely and it cost me $184. I'll pass on another if it's all the same to you.

sunmaster14 · 24th February 2016, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I actually made that joke quite early in the other thread.

Sometimes the environment is ripe for great innovations, and great minds stumble upon them independently. Perhaps like Newton and Leibniz and the invention of calculus. Or maybe not.

Puppycow · 25th February 2016, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Have we passed peak Trump yet?

Meanie.

Well, more confirmation that people suck at predicting the future. Those of us who doubted the staying power of his appeal have hopefully learned something about politics. And he's never run for anything before has he? Kinda like a guy who was never in the minor leagues going straight to the big leagues and beating all the pros at their own game. He's a natural, a force of nature. I will never vote for him but I certainly have to admit that I underestimated him.

TubbaBlubba · 25th February 2016, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Meanie.

Well, more confirmation that people suck at predicting the future. Those of us who doubted the staying power of his appeal have hopefully learned something about politics. And he's never run for anything before has he? Kinda like a guy who was never in the minor leagues going straight to the big leagues and beating all the pros at their own game. He's a natural, a force of nature. I will never vote for him but I certainly have to admit that I underestimated him.

I tend to agree with Nate Silver - it wasn't so much that Trump was underestimated, it was that everybody assumed that the GOP would unite against him. It felt pretty obvious that Trump was going to bully someone like Jeb! into nonexistence, but if e.g. Christie, who's a bit of a bulldog, had seriously gone after Trump and the GOP-friendly media had taken him up on it, that could've done serious damage.

Puppycow · 26th February 2016, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

I tend to agree with Nate Silver - it wasn't so much that Trump was underestimated, it was that everybody assumed that the GOP would unite against him. It felt pretty obvious that Trump was going to bully someone like Jeb! into nonexistence, but if e.g. Christie, who's a bit of a bulldog, had seriously gone after Trump and the GOP-friendly media had taken him up on it, that could've done serious damage.

Ezra Klein disagrees: The GOP did unite against Trump. They just couldn't stop him.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/1110370...arty-is-broken

An excerpt:

Quote:

But the Republican Party did try to stop Trump. It just failed. And until the nature of that failure is appreciated, the strength of Trump's candidacy is going to be underestimated.

The Republican assault on Donald Trump was vast

The GOP didn't, in political science parlance, "decide" on a single champion — no one candidate received the bulk of official endorsements before Iowa. But parties do more than decide; they also veto. And the Republican Party did try to veto Trump — as did everyone else. Trump has come under a coordinated assault from the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the media that is unlike anything in my lifetime.

The first Republican debate featured Fox News — arguably the single most powerful actor in the modern Republican Party — trying to cut Trump's candidacy to shreds. The harsh questioning, which touched on everything from his past heterodoxies to his friendship with Hillary Clinton to his misogyny, kicked off a feud between Fox News and Trump that continues to this day.

The National Review, which acts as the official magazine of American conservatism, pulled contributors from every wing of the movement to write a Stop Trump issue. The festival of contributions — which included everyone from Glenn Beck to Erick Erickson to Bill Kristol — were clustered under the headline "Conservatives Against Trump." The magazine's own editorial was titled "Against Trump," and it began by calling Trump "a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones."

angrysoba · 26th February 2016, 12:46 AM

It's probably best to see Trump's success as similar to that of Nigel Farage's from UKIP, and maybe that of Jeremy Corbyn from Labour.

What Trump's opponents and many in the media never understood, and still do not, is that most of their attacks only increase Trump's reputation and popularity as being an outsider of the despised party mainstream.

Politicians and many in the media used to get very excited every time they found out that maybe Farage had been using EU funds, or had a foreign name and a foreign wife, and had said un-PC things. Similarly, the Labour mainstream and writers in the broadsheets kept trying to tell party members that Corbyn was mad, but people ended up put off by the obvious smear tactics and frankly did not care about the supposed "gaffes" of these outsiders. And the reason why is that they largely agreed with these "gaffes".

Even though Trump went off on the Bushes lying about the Iraq War, nobody who supports him will care if Trump or they themselves supported the Iraq War at the time. They will consider it irrelevant. Similarly, they will almost certainly not care if Rubio gets some blows in at a debate and looks pleased with himself. Trump fans will probably just brush it off as further evidence that everyone's against Trump because of his "awesomeness" and "straight-talking".

It doesn't matter that he has no policies.

applecorped · 2nd March 2016, 04:54 AM

Passed a new peak.

Trebuchet · 2nd March 2016, 08:58 AM

Yup. Approaching Peak Trump appears to be the case. Peak will be at the convention when he wins the nomination. Or doesn't, either way.

dudalb · 2nd March 2016, 06:27 PM

I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump.

Trebuchet · 2nd March 2016, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump.

Particularly the odds-on favorite, Jeb Bush. I seem to recall he was thought to be a shoe-in. Especially by himself. He and the establishment really had no idea how toxic the Bush name is.

Jrrarglblarg · 2nd March 2016, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump.

I think many of us have erred in thinking the GOP was in control of the GOP, but now it looks like everybody from the candidates to Mitch McConnell was waiting for someone else to be the grownup in the room.

applecorped · 15th March 2016, 11:40 AM

Still not peaked:

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/0...lls-and-carso/

This is the first time Trump has garnered the support of a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide (53%). YouGov's February 24-27 survey marked his previous high, at 44% support.

dudalb · 15th March 2016, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Still not peaked:

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/0...lls-and-carso/

This is the first time Trump has garnered the support of a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide (53%). YouGov's February 24-27 survey marked his previous high, at 44% support.

I might be wrong, but from you recent posts you have jumped onto the Trump bandwagon. May I ask why?

applecorped · 18th March 2016, 06:14 AM

dudalb · 18th March 2016, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

It's probably best to see Trump's success as similar to that of Nigel Farage's from UKIP, and maybe that of Jeremy Corbyn from Labour.

What Trump's opponents and many in the media never understood, and still do not, is that most of their attacks only increase Trump's reputation and popularity as being an outsider of the despised party mainstream.

Politicians and many in the media used to get very excited every time they found out that maybe Farage had been using EU funds, or had a foreign name and a foreign wife, and had said un-PC things. Similarly, the Labour mainstream and writers in the broadsheets kept trying to tell party members that Corbyn was mad, but people ended up put off by the obvious smear tactics and frankly did not care about the supposed "gaffes" of these outsiders. And the reason why is that they largely agreed with these "gaffes".

Even though Trump went off on the Bushes lying about the Iraq War, nobody who supports him will care if Trump or they themselves supported the Iraq War at the time. They will consider it irrelevant. Similarly, they will almost certainly not care if Rubio gets some blows in at a debate and looks pleased with himself. Trump fans will probably just brush it off as further evidence that everyone's against Trump because of his "awesomeness" and "straight-talking".

It doesn't matter that he has no policies.

SOme truth in that so far, but when it moves to the general election things become different.

Maya22 · 30th March 2016, 08:54 PM

I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess.

Of course, I could be wrong,

varwoche · 30th March 2016, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maya22

I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess.

Of course, I could be wrong,

Agreed. This reflects in national polling. He's more and more unhinged and I don't think it's working anymore. Not to say it will prevent him from the nomination at this stage though.

Denver · 31st March 2016, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Agreed. This reflects in national polling. He's more and more unhinged and I don't think it's working anymore. Not to say it will prevent him from the nomination at this stage though.

I think he's just in a lull.

angrysoba · 31st March 2016, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Maya22

I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess.

Of course, I could be wrong,

It is possible that he is losing his supporters, yes, and that is because he may have shot himself in the foot. From a Washington Post newsletter:

Quote:

Donald Trump is losing Ann Coulter. And he’s almost certain to lose the Wisconsin primary next week.

Coulter became rich by courting controversy, being intentionally provocative and insensitive to build a fan base on the far right. She’s been one of The Donald’s staunchest defenders for months. But even Coulter couldn’t bite her tongue after the Republican front-runner retweeted an unflattering picture of Heidi Cruz juxtaposed against one of his own model-turned-trophy wife.

“I’m a little testy with our man right now,” Coulter told Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos in a podcast that posted earlier this week. “Our candidate is mental. Do you realize our candidate is mental? It’s like constantly having to bail out your 16-year-old son from prison!”

“Everything else I could defend,” she added. “He has been more a victim than victimizer. … This is the worst thing he’s done.”

Ann Coulter and Milo Yanniapolous were two of the biggest purchasers/peddlers of the Trump-as-victim narrative, but even they appear less able to spin some of his recent behaviour in those terms.

Of course, this might be them just letting off steam with each other and it may not matter in the end, but I think only Trump can put off his supporters.

applecorped · 6th April 2016, 03:13 AM

I think we really have passed peak Trump now.

Maya22 · 6th April 2016, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

I think we really have passed peak Trump now.

Yep.

Trebuchet · 6th April 2016, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

I think we really have passed peak Trump now.

Not yet. If he loses New York, I'd accept that as the milestone.

applecorped · 21st April 2016, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Not yet. If he loses New York, I'd accept that as the milestone.

It'll happen

Doghouse Reilly · 21st April 2016, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

It is possible that he is losing his supporters, yes, and that is because he may have shot himself in the foot. From a Washington Post newsletter:

Ann Coulter and Milo Yanniapolous were two of the biggest purchasers/peddlers of the Trump-as-victim narrative, but even they appear less able to spin some of his recent behaviour in those terms.

Of course, this might be them just letting off steam with each other and it may not matter in the end, but I think only Trump can put off his supporters.

Looking at her Twitter account now, she seems to be supporting Trump as much as ever before.

26th January 2016, 09:50 PM	#161
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Originally Posted by applecorped Have we passed peak Trump yet? Maybe. He's just pulled out of a debate because he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly.
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27th January 2016, 05:35 AM	#162
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797	Originally Posted by applecorped 10/27 Originally Posted by hgc Slowly, slowly the raison d'être of this thread picks up steam. Slowest picking up of steam ever.
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1st February 2016, 10:11 PM	#163
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,255	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Maybe. He's just pulled out of a debate because he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly. Big Chicken Donald Trump couldn't stand up to Megyn, and now Trump is a Chump.
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2nd February 2016, 12:01 PM	#164
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	It's not just a river in Egypt... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...51687080644612
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2nd February 2016, 02:49 PM	#165
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,270	I knew his followers were deluded,but not by that much.... I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats.
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2nd February 2016, 04:26 PM	#166
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Originally Posted by dudalb I knew his followers were deluded,but not by that much.... I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats. Make it so!
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2nd February 2016, 04:33 PM	#167
RecoveringYuppy Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,361	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the question is now not if Trump will get the nomination;but if he will try a Independent run.He will not win,but almost certainly will get enough votes to throw the election to the Democrats. Assuming Bloomberg doesn't split the vote even further.

2nd February 2016, 05:32 PM	#168
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,270	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Assuming Bloomberg doesn't split the vote even further. Bloomberg won't get in unless it looks like a Trump/Cruz vs Sanders race.
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4th February 2016, 09:00 PM	#169
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,255	New PPP poll taken after Iowa shows Trump's support dropping by 9 points, Rubio up 8 points. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_20416.pdf
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4th February 2016, 09:04 PM	#170
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,894	Originally Posted by Puppycow New PPP poll taken after Iowa shows Trump's support dropping by 9 points, Rubio up 8 points. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_20416.pdf See, told you, Trump's going to be WINNING over that LOSER Rubio!!
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23rd February 2016, 05:10 AM	#171
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797	Have we passed peak Trump yet?
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24th February 2016, 04:38 AM	#172
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797	Originally Posted by applecorped Have we passed peak Trump yet? How about now?
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24th February 2016, 10:26 AM	#173
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Hillary Clinton isn't done, either.
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24th February 2016, 11:18 AM	#174
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Hillary Clinton isn't done, either. No, but she's half-baked.

24th February 2016, 01:09 PM	#175
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Originally Posted by sunmaster14 No, but she's half-baked. I actually made that joke quite early in the other thread.
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24th February 2016, 05:42 PM	#176
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24th February 2016, 05:59 PM	#177
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Originally Posted by Mike! Does that mean you get a royalty, or at least a citation? I got a citation back in August for following too closely and it cost me $184. I'll pass on another if it's all the same to you.
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24th February 2016, 06:48 PM	#178
sunmaster14 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 10,017	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I actually made that joke quite early in the other thread. Sometimes the environment is ripe for great innovations, and great minds stumble upon them independently. Perhaps like Newton and Leibniz and the invention of calculus. Or maybe not.

25th February 2016, 05:59 AM	#179
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,255	Originally Posted by applecorped Have we passed peak Trump yet? Meanie. Well, more confirmation that people suck at predicting the future. Those of us who doubted the staying power of his appeal have hopefully learned something about politics. And he's never run for anything before has he? Kinda like a guy who was never in the minor leagues going straight to the big leagues and beating all the pros at their own game. He's a natural, a force of nature. I will never vote for him but I certainly have to admit that I underestimated him.
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25th February 2016, 06:03 AM	#180
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,894	Originally Posted by Puppycow Meanie. Well, more confirmation that people suck at predicting the future. Those of us who doubted the staying power of his appeal have hopefully learned something about politics. And he's never run for anything before has he? Kinda like a guy who was never in the minor leagues going straight to the big leagues and beating all the pros at their own game. He's a natural, a force of nature. I will never vote for him but I certainly have to admit that I underestimated him. I tend to agree with Nate Silver - it wasn't so much that Trump was underestimated, it was that everybody assumed that the GOP would unite against him. It felt pretty obvious that Trump was going to bully someone like Jeb! into nonexistence, but if e.g. Christie, who's a bit of a bulldog, had seriously gone after Trump and the GOP-friendly media had taken him up on it, that could've done serious damage.
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26th February 2016, 12:27 AM	#181
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,255	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba I tend to agree with Nate Silver - it wasn't so much that Trump was underestimated, it was that everybody assumed that the GOP would unite against him. It felt pretty obvious that Trump was going to bully someone like Jeb! into nonexistence, but if e.g. Christie, who's a bit of a bulldog, had seriously gone after Trump and the GOP-friendly media had taken him up on it, that could've done serious damage. Ezra Klein disagrees: The GOP did unite against Trump. They just couldn't stop him. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/1110370...arty-is-broken An excerpt: Quote: But the Republican Party did try to stop Trump. It just failed. And until the nature of that failure is appreciated, the strength of Trump's candidacy is going to be underestimated. The Republican assault on Donald Trump was vast The GOP didn't, in political science parlance, "decide" on a single champion — no one candidate received the bulk of official endorsements before Iowa. But parties do more than decide; they also veto. And the Republican Party did try to veto Trump — as did everyone else. Trump has come under a coordinated assault from the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the media that is unlike anything in my lifetime. The first Republican debate featured Fox News — arguably the single most powerful actor in the modern Republican Party — trying to cut Trump's candidacy to shreds. The harsh questioning, which touched on everything from his past heterodoxies to his friendship with Hillary Clinton to his misogyny, kicked off a feud between Fox News and Trump that continues to this day. The National Review, which acts as the official magazine of American conservatism, pulled contributors from every wing of the movement to write a Stop Trump issue. The festival of contributions — which included everyone from Glenn Beck to Erick Erickson to Bill Kristol — were clustered under the headline "Conservatives Against Trump." The magazine's own editorial was titled "Against Trump," and it began by calling Trump "a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones."
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26th February 2016, 12:46 AM	#182
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 25,963	It's probably best to see Trump's success as similar to that of Nigel Farage's from UKIP, and maybe that of Jeremy Corbyn from Labour. What Trump's opponents and many in the media never understood, and still do not, is that most of their attacks only increase Trump's reputation and popularity as being an outsider of the despised party mainstream. Politicians and many in the media used to get very excited every time they found out that maybe Farage had been using EU funds, or had a foreign name and a foreign wife, and had said un-PC things. Similarly, the Labour mainstream and writers in the broadsheets kept trying to tell party members that Corbyn was mad, but people ended up put off by the obvious smear tactics and frankly did not care about the supposed "gaffes" of these outsiders. And the reason why is that they largely agreed with these "gaffes". Even though Trump went off on the Bushes lying about the Iraq War, nobody who supports him will care if Trump or they themselves supported the Iraq War at the time. They will consider it irrelevant. Similarly, they will almost certainly not care if Rubio gets some blows in at a debate and looks pleased with himself. Trump fans will probably just brush it off as further evidence that everyone's against Trump because of his "awesomeness" and "straight-talking". It doesn't matter that he has no policies.
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2nd March 2016, 04:54 AM	#183
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797	Passed a new peak.
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2nd March 2016, 08:58 AM	#184
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Yup. Approaching Peak Trump appears to be the case. Peak will be at the convention when he wins the nomination. Or doesn't, either way.
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2nd March 2016, 06:27 PM	#185
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,270	I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump.
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2nd March 2016, 06:36 PM	#186
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 23,962	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump. Particularly the odds-on favorite, Jeb Bush. I seem to recall he was thought to be a shoe-in. Especially by himself. He and the establishment really had no idea how toxic the Bush name is.
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2nd March 2016, 06:43 PM	#187
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	Originally Posted by dudalb I think the mistake a lot of us made was that we had no idea the GOP "Establishement" would be so inept in stopping Trump. I think many of us have erred in thinking the GOP was in control of the GOP, but now it looks like everybody from the candidates to Mitch McConnell was waiting for someone else to be the grownup in the room.
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15th March 2016, 11:40 AM	#188
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797	Still not peaked: https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/0...lls-and-carso/ This is the first time Trump has garnered the support of a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide (53%). YouGov's February 24-27 survey marked his previous high, at 44% support.
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15th March 2016, 12:27 PM	#189
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,270	Originally Posted by applecorped Still not peaked: https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/0...lls-and-carso/ This is the first time Trump has garnered the support of a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide (53%). YouGov's February 24-27 survey marked his previous high, at 44% support. I might be wrong, but from you recent posts you have jumped onto the Trump bandwagon. May I ask why?
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18th March 2016, 06:14 AM	#190
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 19,797
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18th March 2016, 10:26 AM	#191
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 46,270	Originally Posted by angrysoba It's probably best to see Trump's success as similar to that of Nigel Farage's from UKIP, and maybe that of Jeremy Corbyn from Labour. What Trump's opponents and many in the media never understood, and still do not, is that most of their attacks only increase Trump's reputation and popularity as being an outsider of the despised party mainstream. Politicians and many in the media used to get very excited every time they found out that maybe Farage had been using EU funds, or had a foreign name and a foreign wife, and had said un-PC things. Similarly, the Labour mainstream and writers in the broadsheets kept trying to tell party members that Corbyn was mad, but people ended up put off by the obvious smear tactics and frankly did not care about the supposed "gaffes" of these outsiders. And the reason why is that they largely agreed with these "gaffes". Even though Trump went off on the Bushes lying about the Iraq War, nobody who supports him will care if Trump or they themselves supported the Iraq War at the time. They will consider it irrelevant. Similarly, they will almost certainly not care if Rubio gets some blows in at a debate and looks pleased with himself. Trump fans will probably just brush it off as further evidence that everyone's against Trump because of his "awesomeness" and "straight-talking". It doesn't matter that he has no policies. SOme truth in that so far, but when it moves to the general election things become different.
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30th March 2016, 08:54 PM	#192
Maya22 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Teal Town Posts: 1,446	I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess. Of course, I could be wrong,

30th March 2016, 09:09 PM	#193
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 13,674	Originally Posted by Maya22 I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess. Of course, I could be wrong, Agreed. This reflects in national polling. He's more and more unhinged and I don't think it's working anymore. Not to say it will prevent him from the nomination at this stage though.
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31st March 2016, 06:45 AM	#194
Denver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 10,015	Originally Posted by varwoche Agreed. This reflects in national polling. He's more and more unhinged and I don't think it's working anymore. Not to say it will prevent him from the nomination at this stage though. I think he's just in a lull.
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31st March 2016, 06:51 AM	#195
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 25,963	Originally Posted by Maya22 I have the feeling that we have passed peak Trump, and that Trump will lose popularity among some (but not all) of his followers. This is my guess. Of course, I could be wrong, It is possible that he is losing his supporters, yes, and that is because he may have shot himself in the foot. From a Washington Post newsletter: Quote: Donald Trump is losing Ann Coulter. And he’s almost certain to lose the Wisconsin primary next week. Coulter became rich by courting controversy, being intentionally provocative and insensitive to build a fan base on the far right. She’s been one of The Donald’s staunchest defenders for months. But even Coulter couldn’t bite her tongue after the Republican front-runner retweeted an unflattering picture of Heidi Cruz juxtaposed against one of his own model-turned-trophy wife. “I’m a little testy with our man right now,” Coulter told Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos in a podcast that posted earlier this week. “Our candidate is mental. Do you realize our candidate is mental? It’s like constantly having to bail out your 16-year-old son from prison!” “Everything else I could defend,” she added. “He has been more a victim than victimizer. … This is the worst thing he’s done.” Ann Coulter and Milo Yanniapolous were two of the biggest purchasers/peddlers of the Trump-as-victim narrative, but even they appear less able to spin some of his recent behaviour in those terms. Of course, this might be them just letting off steam with each other and it may not matter in the end, but I think only Trump can put off his supporters.
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