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Old 1st December 2017, 04:40 PM   #161
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Old 1st December 2017, 04:40 PM   #162
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Yeah, I can’t even begin to imagine what Mueller got for this process crime?
Neither can I until you explain what the **** a 'process crime' is, and why it's so light.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
It is kinda unfortunate to see so much noise wasted on more noise in an important and previously highly informative thread.
Agreed, post something.
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Old 1st December 2017, 04:42 PM   #164
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Neither can I until you explain what the **** a 'process crime' is, and why it's so light.
Lol

Look it up, it’s fascinating!
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Old 1st December 2017, 04:44 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Lol

Look it up, it’s fascinating!
Definitions from you are typically vastly different from actual definitions.


Are you saying that lying to congress is a 'process crime' and really no big deal?

If at all possible, just yes or no. I know that's tough for you, but give it a whirl.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
It is kinda unfortunate to see so much noise wasted on more noise in an important and previously highly informative thread.
Maybe if we tell Noah that someone is talking about how tainted Brady's legacy is in another thread he'll get distracted from playing with his chew toy.
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Old 1st December 2017, 04:49 PM   #167
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Yeah, I can’t even begin to imagine what Mueller got for this process crime?
You keep repeating the phrase "process crime". What does this mean to you?

To me, it means "crime".
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
You keep repeating the phrase "process crime". What does this mean to you?

To me, it means "crime".
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Old 1st December 2017, 05:26 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
You keep repeating the phrase "process crime". What does this mean to you?

To me, it means "crime".
Well, see, his lying to the FBI wasn't really a real crime because they set him up -- by asking him questions.
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Old 1st December 2017, 05:26 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
How is a simple process crime plea going to give Mueller bigger fish?
You seem to have missed that he was able to plead out on the lessor charge rather than getting charged with the the worse ones that could have been coming his way (and his son's way) because of his agreement to co-operate and testify against those further up the chain.

The fact that Muller took a lot off the table and let him have a smaller sentence on the plea would indicate that Muller got a good amount in return. Prosecutors don't make charges go away unless they are getting something better in return. I think you just need to accept that Flynn's new first name is Canary.
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Old 1st December 2017, 05:32 PM   #171
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People expected Manafort, but Gates was a little less so, and Papadopoulos's guilty plea came out of nowhere.

The phone calls mentioned in the charge Flynn specifically pleaded guilty to do not represent the totality of the crimes the Special Counsel's team is prepared to prosecute over. Mueller deliberately charged Flynn with the simplest offense available in order to keep the most serious information under wraps until he's ready to reveal it, likely by way of future indictments.
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Old 1st December 2017, 05:36 PM   #172
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The phone calls mentioned in the charge Flynn specifically pleaded guilty to do not represent the totality of the crimes the Special Counsel's team is prepared to prosecute over. Mueller deliberately charged Flynn with the simplest offense available in order to keep the most serious information under wraps until he's ready to reveal it, likely by way of future indictments.
Don't forget there's also whatever they have on Junior to bargain with as well.
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Trump's suffering on this will be so delicious. His pain will be exquisite.
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Old 1st December 2017, 06:10 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
...one supposed perjury charge that didn't go anywhere...
It wasn’t technically perjury, as I recall, but regardless, for an attorney to be disbarred is a nontrivial consequence.
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I think you just need to accept that Flynn's new first name is Canary.
Van Jones just said on a panel something like "We know in the hood... If your boy be snitchin', lotta higher-level folks goin' down."

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Trump's suffering on this will be so delicious. His pain will be exquisite.
Quite the definition of "schadenfreude". (If not the spelling.)
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Just had a flash: Obama warned Trump about Flynn. What if Obama knew that would make Trump hire Flynn for sure?

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Old 1st December 2017, 07:20 PM   #177
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Trump's suffering on this will be so delicious. His pain will be exquisite.
I dunno, the guy's nuts. If the rhetoric against N Korea amps up, look out. Trump may see that as his way out of the criminal mess he's in.
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You’ve got a huge massive nothing burger.
You know, this reminds me of gleeful conservative posters post-election who kept bringing up "denial" as the first stage of grief. Seems you've caught it.
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Old 1st December 2017, 07:42 PM   #179
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I dunno, the guy's nuts. If the rhetoric against N Korea amps up, look out. Trump may see that as his way out of the criminal mess he's in.
I can absolutely see him nuking NK as the most drastic distraction possible.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
You’ve got a huge massive nothing burger.
I see where someone is getting their information ...

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Just had a flash: Obama warned Trump about Flynn. What if Obama knew that would make Trump hire Flynn for sure?

Thanks, Obama.
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It wasn’t technically perjury, as I recall, but regardless, for an attorney to be disbarred is a nontrivial consequence.

To be fair, Clinton didn't even try to fight it. It was a point scored on an undefended goal.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Just had a flash: Obama warned Trump about Flynn. What if Obama knew that would make Trump hire Flynn for sure?


How terribly cynical of you!

I lol'd
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As soon as I saw this first sentence, I knew Mueller has the top tier in his sights.

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President Trump's first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during the transition, and he is cooperating with the special counsel's investigation into Moscow's interference in last year's election.

Flynn told investigators that he was instructed to engage with the Russians by senior members of the Trump transition team.
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/01/56123...sc=ipad&f=1001

No way Flynn gets to plead to such weak tea unless Mueller’s getting a big fish or fishes in exchange. And Mueller can always charge Flynn and/or his son with the other more serious charges if he doesn’t live up to the deal.


Fish tea? Blecch, sorry
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Old 1st December 2017, 10:08 PM   #185
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Trump's suffering on this will be so delicious. His pain will be exquisite.
I wish I were a better man*, but I can’t help but agree.


*No offense intended!
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Trump's suffering on this will be so delicious. His pain will be exquisite.
His possible moves:

Sabre rattling at North Korea, although he'd prefer a Grenada or other opponent that won't/can't shoot back.

Fire Tillerson.

Get the party to cram through his (very ameliorated) tax program and try to dominate the news with Rose Garden hug-and-kiss ceremonies.

Pick a fight on twitter with:
Rosie
Pocahontas
Hillary
Barack
Unnamed black athlete

Go play some golf with Todd Rundgren.
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People are saying,.... it's (((Jared)))!

Makes sense. They already have him present at meeting that he denied took place, they've got his re-writes of the stories surrounding those meetings and the fact that he, via his wife, is probably the closest thing to a BFF that Donnie Johnny has.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
His possible moves:

Sabre rattling at North Korea, although he'd prefer a Grenada or other opponent that won't/can't shoot back.

Fire Tillerson.

Get the party to cram through his (very ameliorated) tax program and try to dominate the news with Rose Garden hug-and-kiss ceremonies.

Pick a fight on twitter with:
Rosie
Pocahontas
Hillary
Barack
Unnamed black athlete

Go play some golf with Todd Rundgren.
He can still fire Mueller, can't he?
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
His possible moves:
...
Go play some golf with Todd Rundgren.
I feel compelled to mention, Rundgren is vehemently anti-Trump.

Add: proof! with Donald Fagen no less. The Man in the Tin Foil Hat:
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I feel compelled to mention, Rundgren is vehemently anti-Trump.

Add: proof! with Donald Fagen no less. The Man in the Tin Foil Hat:
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Isn't it right around Insomniac Tweet Hour? What's our deloved president up to? Is there a White House kitten he can kick? Think maybe Kelly took his phone away, again?
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I like how every time Mueller moves, there is one block of news, which media take a few hours to ingest and interprete - and then nothing more. No leaks, no look ahead. A very tight ship!
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I like how every time Mueller moves, there is one block of news, which media take a few hours to ingest and interprete - and then nothing more. No leaks, no look ahead. A very tight ship!
Oh what a leftist way of looking at things.

The truth is that all Mueller has is a bunch of nothingburgers and there's no leak because every single nothingburger is in any case #FakeNews made up of the spot.

....or at least that's what the GOP would like everyone to think.
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Oh what a leftist way of looking at things.

The truth is that all Mueller has is a bunch of nothingburgers and there's no leak because every single nothingburger is in any case #FakeNews made up of the spot.

....or at least that's what the GOP would like everyone to think.
If that were so, the Flynns, Manaforts etc could easily throw denials. If Mueller had no serious clout on them, they'd be leaking like sieves to show how naked Mueller is.

I thus guess Mueller is very well dressed and covered multiple and quality ways. And that guess is an informed one.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Go play some golf with Todd Rundgren.
Is that some new colloquialism for jerking off?

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Oh what a leftist way of looking at things.

The truth is that all Mueller has is a bunch of nothingburgers and there's no leak because every single nothingburger is in any case #FakeNews made up of the spot.

....or at least that's what the GOP would like everyone to think.
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Meanwhile, RT manages to find a different take on the whole topic...
"Why Flynn’s plea is a dead end for ‘Russiagate’ conspiracy"
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Minutes ago, Trump tweeted:

Quote:
I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
This seems to be an admission that Trump was aware Flynn had lied to the FBI before he pressured FBI director Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn.
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Minutes ago, Trump tweeted:

This seems to be an admission that Trump was aware Flynn had lied to the FBI before he pressured FBI director Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn.
Yes, I agree.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Minutes ago, Trump tweeted:



This seems to be an admission that Trump was aware Flynn had lied to the FBI before he pressured FBI director Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn.
These tweets may be his downfall.

We can only hope!
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