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Old 5th December 2017, 10:17 AM   #41
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Also the ex-policeman chose to release the information in order to back up the claims that Damian Green had acted inappropriately in making sexual advances towards a much-younger-than-him female conservative activist during the last two years.

The furore about whether or not the ex-policeman acted properly is now overshadowing and distracting from the original inappropriate behaviour enquiry.

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Old 5th December 2017, 01:17 PM   #42
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Would we want a Cabinet Minister who behaves in such a manner (not that anyone is saying that Green has broken any laws)?
A cabinet minister with (it would seem) a reason to support net neutrality and online privacy, and who has good reason to think twice before launching any kind of 'moral crusade'? It might have benefits.
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Old 5th December 2017, 01:41 PM   #43
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I feel sorry for the cleaning crew. I mean, I don't know about everyone else, but I don't just casually browse porn. If I'm watching porn I'm doing something else that definitely shouldn't be done at work.
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Old 6th December 2017, 12:28 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by JJM 777 View Post
Somehow, using Internet with your work computer becomes "bad" and a reason for a written warning or resignation, when the websites opened are porn rather than Facebook, private email, New York Times, Youtube, etc.

The whole story is one big piece of hypocrisy and moral double standard, from the beginning to the end.
In several companies I've consulted for have policies that work computers aren't for personal use and people do get warnings etc. if they breach the policies.
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:28 AM   #45
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Since the police went through the emails of the MP looking for evidence of who the leaker was, (and they comment emails were sent between browsing porn). one wonders what other irrelevant but potentially embarrassing facts about constituents or other people they may have garnered and kept note of? it is really quite secret police like.
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Old 7th December 2017, 04:39 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
In several companies I've consulted for have policies that work computers aren't for personal use and people do get warnings etc. if they breach the policies.
Any policy is possible, at least theoretically. What happens in real life is another story.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/74710...d-working-work

If the national average of slacking at work is more than 30 minutes per day, even whacking off at work fits within the tolerance. Unless we have double standards, and pick our favourite issues to blame.
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Old 20th December 2017, 05:31 PM   #47
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He's gone!

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Damian Green, one of Theresa May's closest allies, has been sacked from the cabinet after an inquiry found he had breached the ministerial code.

He was "asked to quit" after he was found to have made "inaccurate and misleading" statements about what he knew about claims pornography was found on his office computer in 2008.

He also apologised for making writer Kate Maltby feel uncomfortable in 2015.

Laura Kuenssberg said the PM "had little choice but to ask him to go".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802
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Old 20th December 2017, 06:37 PM   #48
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Jesus Christ. What kind of pants on head retarded SJW regime do you have over there?
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Old 20th December 2017, 06:53 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Stuff I don't get: Idiots who use their work computer to access porn. I've no problem with the porn but doing it at work with company equipment is just stupid. Keep it at home.
My favorite idiot offender story from my agency - guy sends porn to a minor using his work computer.

The minor he sent it to was his one of his employer's children. Offense to custody in less than 36 hours.
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Old 20th December 2017, 11:06 PM   #50
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Oooooooh ! Does this mean that David Davis will resign too - he said he would

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42197309

Or will the resignation (rather than sacking) mean he won't feel the need
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Old 21st December 2017, 12:37 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Jesus Christ. What kind of pants on head retarded SJW regime do you have over there?
The kind of "pants on head retarded SJW regime" that doesn't want its elected officials knocking one out while they're supposed to be looking after the welfare of their constituents or, as now appears might be likely, gives their password to one or more aides so that they can knock one out while they're pretending to be the elected official working on behalf of their constituents.

The standard applied here is no different to that applied in every professional workplace I've been in since management worked out that the internet exists and that it's full of porn.


Edited to add.....

I've actually read a bit more and once again the firing/resignation isn't about the offence(s) but the cover-up. He was fired because he made "inaccurate and misleading" statements (i.e. lied through his teeth) about his claim that he knew nothing about porn being found on his computer.

He also claimed that Kate Maltby's account of his actions in 2015 were lies - an investigation found:

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...that although there were "competing and contradictory accounts of what were private meetings" between himself and Ms Maltby, the investigation found her account "to be plausible".
So once again, a politician is brought low by a fumbled cover-up rather than the "offence" itself

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Old 21st December 2017, 01:55 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
He was fired because he made "inaccurate and misleading" statements (i.e. lied through his teeth) about his claim that he knew nothing about porn being found on his computer.
I haven't read the statements themselves yet, but it doesn't appear that he said that he knew nothing about the reported porn, just that didn't mention that he knew, which created a misleading impression.

If this is the current standard, then political spinning is almost dead.

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Having seen the statements:

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I reiterate that no allegations about the presence of improper material on my parliamentary computers have ever been put to me or to the parliamentary authorities by the police.
His only possible claim is that the porn was not "improper material" - that's not going to work.

The cover-up did for him.

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Old 21st December 2017, 02:37 AM   #53
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The cover-up did for him.
In the majority of cases, it is the cover up that does for them.

If he'd said "Yes it was porn, very embarrassing, not proud of my actions, nothing illegal, long hours away from home " he might have been able to ride it out, but it's the denials what's done for him.
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Old 21st December 2017, 03:00 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
In the majority of cases, it is the cover up that does for them.

If he'd said "Yes it was porn, very embarrassing, not proud of my actions, nothing illegal, long hours away from home " he might have been able to ride it out, but it's the denials what's done for him.
The interesting question is that there are no stories about who else was working in his office in 2008. Given the high profile of the police raid it seems surprising that there are no "knowledgeable sources" being quoted.
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Old 22nd December 2017, 05:57 AM   #55
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Yes, they must have been absolutely desperate for a scapegoat to pin the porn on to
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