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Old 20th December 2006, 07:16 PM   #121
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Do some of you never sleep?
Some of us are taken offline for maintenance and upgrades, but sleep is unnecessary.
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Old 20th December 2006, 07:30 PM   #122
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Well, I own a Rangers and a Celtic jersey, so I admit I cannot be trusted. God save the Queen so I can kick her in the arse, y'know.

Hell no! I played American football, helmets and pads and airbags and seatbelts and all. My friends who played rugby are all much shorter than they used to be, but their new proximity to the ground hasn't made it any easier for them to tie their shoelaces. At the last match I attended, I saw two guys get knocked cold, in separate incidents, within the first two minutes.

Rugby players are fun to drink with, though. They drink to socialize and to perform self-dentistry. That's as opposed to football (soccer) fans, who socialize to drink. I once partied with 15,000 Rangers fans at the semifinals of the European Cup Championship in Munich. I broke a large table while doing the bouncy dance on it, and later the same table was used to hit me in the head. It was all in good fun, though, and I didn't feel a thing. Until the next day.
Now I know why The Ones Who Cannot Be Named chose you as a front-line shock ninja.


I wondered because I had applied for the job and I had senority. I tried to file a grievance but my committeman disappeared and we all know what that means.
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Old 20th December 2006, 07:52 PM   #123
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I served 5 years in the Marine Corps as a field radio operator (Secret Clearance). The seriousness with which the lower-ranking enlisted men treated their devotion to country belies the notion that NCO's, Staff NCO's, and officers would cover-up a missile at the Pentagon.

I have a rather large collection of conspiracy videos. It was well over 200 at last count. As many earlier claims are recycled, it helps to have the original tapes that clowns such as Paul Joseph Watson swipe material from.

I've met many of the prominent CT personalities from the last 15 years. I spoke at the conference of a man recently freed from prison in Austria. Out of all the speakers, my presentation received the most space in the esteemed American Free Press.

I've been interviewed on one the most controversial patriot Internet shows in America.

It's been an interesting ride. I have a fairly good handle on 9/11 CT psychology.
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Old 20th December 2006, 11:58 PM   #124
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Some of us are taken offline for maintenance and upgrades, but sleep is unnecessary.
Sorry I thought you were one of the biological units.

No offense intended.

NWO tech is getting really good!
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Old 21st December 2006, 01:38 AM   #125
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Wow,

The level of expertise and experience is stunning. I'm a little shocked. Like Hutch, I knew we had smart people here, but I'm impressed! I'm humbled to post amongst you all. Thank you all for responding to my nosy enquiry.

On the matter of pointy stabby fighty things, I previously trained in medieval eurpean martial arts, and currently train in wushu.

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Old 21st December 2006, 01:53 AM   #126
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I would love to see this same question posted over at Loose Change
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Old 21st December 2006, 02:05 AM   #127
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I'm still trying to find a use here for the few things I'm good at or knowledgeable about:

Throwing things really far

Walking really far
Skating fast
Sleeping in a tent
Protocol for meeting the Rockettes (same as for meeting the Queen of England, with the addition of "no grab-ass.")
American poetry

Unlike the people here who are experts with things that stick and cut, I do my damage through blunt-force trauma. I once punched a guy in the mouth through the closed window of his car. That was as satisfying as it sounds, and yes, he deserved it. I was reminded of that when, before the Hardfire taping, Ron Wieck was joking with us by doing a Howard Cosell voice: "Down goes Bermas! Down goes Bermas!"
Gravy, ever considered being a US Marine? /grin
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Old 21st December 2006, 02:07 AM   #128
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Gawd where are all the pilots

With all the brains here. We know exactly why the buildings fell. What insurance claim form to fill out. Even how to have fought the fires.

How to fence (As long as it is not an Olympic champion) - then make documentaries about it.

But so far nothing about the damn things that ran into the buildings in the first place
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Old 21st December 2006, 02:29 AM   #129
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Gawd where are all the pilots

With all the brains here. We know exactly why the buildings fell. What insurance claim form to fill out. Even how to have fought the fires.

How to fence (As long as it is not an Olympic champion) - then make documentaries about it.

But so far nothing about the damn things that ran into the buildings in the first place
Can we get JDX back?
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Old 21st December 2006, 02:44 AM   #130
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I have about twenty years experience working in TV. Mostly news and current affairs as a sound recordist, camera operator, floor manager, vision switcher and director.

I was a news director in 2000 -2004 working on live national bulletins here in Aus. (SBS TV). I've spent a lot of my working life in television news rooms.

I get annoyed when truthers talk about mainstream media as some monolithic entity under the thumb of the US government. Anyone who thinks a journalist could keep quiet about a conspiracy like 911 is just talking out of the wrong hole.
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Old 21st December 2006, 02:55 AM   #131
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Well, I own a Rangers and a Celtic jersey, so I admit I cannot be trusted. God save the Queen so I can kick her in the arse, y'know.
The infamous Old Firm! I'm impressed, but hasten to add I support neither!



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Hell no! I played American football, helmets and pads and airbags and seatbelts and all. My friends who played rugby are all much shorter than they used to be, but their new proximity to the ground hasn't made it any easier for them to tie their shoelaces. At the last match I attended, I saw two guys get knocked cold, in separate incidents, within the first two minutes.
Ahh, you're taking me right back to the university 2nd 15 and why I gave up rugby after third year. There's nothing light a 18st forward jumping up and down on your face a la Asterix in Britain in order to push you towards being a spectator..........


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That's as opposed to football (soccer) fans, who socialize to drink. I once partied with 15,000 Rangers fans at the semifinals of the European Cup Championship in Munich. I broke a large table while doing the bouncy dance on it, and later the same table was used to hit me in the head. It was all in good fun, though, and I didn't feel a thing. Until the next day
If I know Rangers fans, I bet you got a cheer when you broke the table.

Just as a matter of interest, did you manage to understand what they said. When they're drunk it all gets a bit:

"Awa'howzitgoinbigman"
"Thisispuremagic bytheway"
"Gieustwapintsothonlagerthingytheyhuvhere"
"Threequidapint?Itslager, man, yedinnaesomuchbuyashireit"
"Seejimmyhillhe'saneffinpoofsoheeffinis"
"Thonbigfellajustbroke'ratabledain'radance, wharraman! Purebrassneck"

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Old 21st December 2006, 02:56 AM   #132
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Incidentally, what do you call a Rangers fan in a suit?




A: The accused (boom boom)
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Old 21st December 2006, 03:00 AM   #133
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But so far nothing about the damn things that ran into the buildings in the first place

Not true. We have aviation technicians etc here who probably know more about these aircraft than the people flying them. Also there are definately some pilots. Billzilla for one. Have faith, we've got it covered.

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Old 21st December 2006, 03:04 AM   #134
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Surely the key point is that we KNOW we're not pilots and are not claiming that experience of Microsoft Flight Sim in any way qualifies us to talk authoritively.......
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Old 21st December 2006, 03:29 AM   #135
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I have experienced 9/11 forty-seven times now, so I should be pretty good at it. It's Thursdays I can't get the hang of.
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Old 21st December 2006, 03:44 AM   #136
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Originally Posted by Architect View Post
"Awa'howzitgoinbigman"
"Thisispuremagic bytheway"
"Gieustwapintsothonlagerthingytheyhuvhere"
"Threequidapint?Itslager, man, yedinnaesomuchbuyashireit"
"Seejimmyhillhe'saneffinpoofsoheeffinis"
"Thonbigfellajustbroke'ratabledain'radance, wharraman! Purebrassneck"
Wait...that's practically verbatim. You were there?
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Old 21st December 2006, 03:49 AM   #137
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Gravy, ever considered being a US Marine? /grin
I don't know but I been told,
Gravy's lookin' mighty old!



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Old 21st December 2006, 03:53 AM   #138
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but no 9/11 expertise - anyone could fly the jets that day, training would be overkill for hitting buildings, MS flight sim would do, so how many people stall out in MS flight sim?

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Old 21st December 2006, 05:03 AM   #139
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Wait...that's practically verbatim. You were there?
Actually I'm the NWO agent paid to follow you.......


.....did you not notice the trenchcoat over the rather incongruous Partick Thistle top amidst the sea to Rangers fans?
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Old 21st December 2006, 06:07 AM   #141
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On the matter of pointy stabby fighty things, I previously trained in medieval eurpean martial arts ....
Which roughly translates as "skewering the enemy with pitchforks and scythes" ?
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USAF retired (28 years)
Did you retire as O-6?

I have two friends in USAF right now. (0-3 six years communications and 0-4 medical). Right now the O-3 is considering dropping out after six years. What is your esperience as a retired AF officer? Good retirement?

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Old 21st December 2006, 06:14 AM   #143
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Did you retire as O-6?

I have two friends in USAF right now. (0-3 six years communications and 0-4 medical). Right now the O-3 is considering dropping out after six years. What is your esperience as a retired AF officer? Good retirement?

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O-5 It is okay, but you do not get rich, you may go to war. My dad always warned me of the war; he was in the 101st on D-Day.

I enjoyed the military, I always did different things every few years.

Retirement has changed some, but it is okay. The longer you stay in the more you earn for retirement up to 30 years.

I was lucking being able to fly; I always thought I was going to get out after 4 to 6 years. The airlines were not hiring heavy at the times I was able to get out!

But they kind of own you; they say go to Italy and you have to go to Italy, darn. It is a mixed bag.

The retirement pay for the old guys like me was 50 percent at 20 to 75 percent at 30 years of service; of your base pay. You can look up base pay online for the military. Base pay is just part of your regular active duty pay. You also get an allowance for housing and food, and other things like flight pay.
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Old 21st December 2006, 06:52 AM   #145
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That is an excellent post. I have often thought of contacting Silverstein and ptiching him on doing a moderately detailed analysis of the money flows to show that the CT nuts don't know what they are talking about.
That would be very interesting to read, but I doubt it's a high priority for him. Oh well.

Besides, what in your experience with conspiracy theorists leads you to believe they would bother to read the analysis?
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Holding up the Arts end of JREF, I have a BA in Bible (Church of Christ) with two years of graduate work in Christian Theology. After that kind of training, I've made quite a nice life for myself in theater, although I am now a live television captioner in training.

I forgot to mention that my first major was in music composition, and, although I didn't graduate, I'm a published composer.

This is useful to bring up when troofers accuse me of being "left-brained".
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Actually, that's incorrect. Most architecture doesn't involve aesthetic design, but the nuts and bolts of a building. Interior layouts, doors and window framing, casework, wall composition, etc.

I believe that a degree in architecture requires course work going over basic engineering system concepts. From my experience, some architects are much more knowledgable than others.......
That's sort of what I figured. How could you design buildings without having any idea whether the design is feasible or not?
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All architects in the UK - and I'd be surprised if the US was much different - must study subjects such as structures, fire engineering, and so on. The purpose is not to make us able to do (say) complex structural calculations, but rather to ensure that we understand the broad issues and can build them into the overall design process.

This basic curriculum is set not by the universities, but by the RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects) and ARB (Architects Registration Board). In short, it ensures that all of us who qualify can understand the fundamental issues raised by (say) WTC.

In addition to this, there are opportunities for more detailed study. For example I carried on with a two year elective in structural engineering and another in "building fabric performance". This is because (a) I found it interesting and (b) always fancied specialising in my kind of field.

There are, of course, also subtle differences in emphasis between universities. In Scotland, for example, three of the six schools of architecture (Strathclyde, Heriott Watt, and Aberdeen) are very technical whereas two (Glasgow and Edinburgh) tend to place more emphasis on design (or "the arty farty crap" as we liked to call it at Strathcyde).

At the end of the day I let the engineers do the calculations and deal with their sections. After all, they spent 4-5 years studing that specific area. But if I don't understand what they're up to and the broad thrust of the structural design then I'm not doing my job right.
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I'm expert at pointing at guys like Gravy and saying "What HE said!"
What, you mean like big guys? I mean, it's a great survival tactic but......
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Hey beachnut, where did you get your training in the AF? Seeing T-37 makes me think Mather AFB. I was an ATC there in the mid-70's.
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Does the fact that I have a good friend at the NSA, that my dad worked the spy satellite program at VAFB in the 60's-70's, and my great grandfather was a Mason make me qualified to speak on the NWO conspiracy?
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Does the fact that I have a good friend at the NSA, that my dad worked the spy satellite program at VAFB in the 60's-70's, and my great grandfather was a Mason make me qualified to speak on the NWO conspiracy?

I think that makes you the NWO conspiracy!
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Does the fact that I have a good friend at the NSA, that my dad worked the spy satellite program at VAFB in the 60's-70's, and my great grandfather was a Mason make me qualified to speak on the NWO conspiracy?
I think you need to change your title to "Illuminatus" now, buddy boy.
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All architects in the UK - and I'd be surprised if the US was much different - must study subjects such as structures, fire engineering, and so on. The purpose is not to make us able to do (say) complex structural calculations, but rather to ensure that we understand the broad issues and can build them into the overall design process.

This basic curriculum is set not by the universities, but by the RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects) and ARB (Architects Registration Board). In short, it ensures that all of us who qualify can understand the fundamental issues raised by (say) WTC.

In addition to this, there are opportunities for more detailed study. For example I carried on with a two year elective in structural engineering and another in "building fabric performance". This is because (a) I found it interesting and (b) always fancied specialising in my kind of field.

There are, of course, also subtle differences in emphasis between universities. In Scotland, for example, three of the six schools of architecture (Strathclyde, Heriott Watt, and Aberdeen) are very technical whereas two (Glasgow and Edinburgh) tend to place more emphasis on design (or "the arty farty crap" as we liked to call it at Strathcyde).

At the end of the day I let the engineers do the calculations and deal with their sections. After all, they spent 4-5 years studing that specific area. But if I don't understand what they're up to and the broad thrust of the structural design then I'm not doing my job right.
From what I understand, here in the US it's very similar. Architectural programs include structural courses as well as design. As you've said, the actual curriculum depends on the school, but all of them cover some degree of structural engineering.

I've dealt with architects from both ends of the spectrum and although I've met plenty that have a very good grasp of structural engineering concepts, I've met a fair share that have left me scratching my head when I view their plans.
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From what I understand, here in the US it's very similar. Architectural programs include structural courses as well as design. As you've said, the actual curriculum depends on the school, but all of them cover some degree of structural engineering.

I've dealt with architects from both ends of the spectrum and although I've met plenty that have a very good grasp of structural engineering concepts, I've met a fair share that have left me scratching my head when I view their plans.
The "architect" troofer I debated received many requests from concerned citizens to identify the buildings he had designed, so they could stay the hell away from them.

He was in the UK.
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From what I understand, here in the US it's very similar. Architectural programs include structural courses as well as design. As you've said, the actual curriculum depends on the school, but all of them cover some degree of structural engineering.

I've dealt with architects from both ends of the spectrum and although I've met plenty that have a very good grasp of structural engineering concepts, I've met a fair share that have left me scratching my head when I view their plans.
The Architecture students at Clemson were required to take watered down versions of structural mechanics, analysis and steel design. Their knowledge was primarily concepts and design methods, not proof and equations. Whereas I had to derive equations for moment, bending and flexure, they were told how to look them up and apply them.

For the most part, my architecture friends were perfectly capable of designing and analyzing structures on a qualitative basis, and they were able to effectively communicate with the structural engineers when necessary.
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Hey beachnut, where did you get your training in the AF? Seeing T-37 makes me think Mather AFB. I was an ATC there in the mid-70's.
Moody AFB, I asked for Arizona, they gave me Moody. We terrrorist the swmaps. The tweet, it scares the air with noise to fly. I asked for an RF-4 to Germany, they gave me a KC-135 to Kadana.
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Moody AFB, I asked for Arizona, they gave me Moody. We terrrorist the swmaps. The tweet, it scares the air with noise to fly. I asked for an RF-4 to Germany, they gave me a KC-135 to Kadana.

The friggin tweet. In the tower you really couldn't hear it. But the downwind leg was directly over my dorm and 25 years later I can still hear that god awful sound in my head.

At Mather, the tweet call signs were always "colt." The T-43's (converted 737's for navigator training) were always "gator." Navigator=gator, cute, huh?

We also had a SAC wing with tankers and buffs. Fully loaded on the A ramp if you know what I mean. MITO takeoffs were always fun...
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