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26th May 2009, 06:04 AM | #201 |
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It was a rhetorical question, designed to stimulate thought. Further, it was aimed at those who accept the footage as depicting a real bigfoot, ie Mr. Yeti. If you do not accept this, the question was not aimed at you. I apologize for the confusion any unclear wording may have caused.
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But the eyewitness accounts captured on the video itself (as posted upthread by kitakaze) express a distinct lack of belief that the figure is a bigfoot, a general air of humor -- not fear, as you avowed earlier -- about the subject, and a statement of opinion that the object is a backpack.
Will you please explain how the object cannot be a backpack, pulled up onto the figure's back by a strap that is lost in the extremely unclear pixellation of the video? |
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I have the full version of the video, with the audio track....and what was being said as Lori was taping is not the least bit suspicious....in fact, there are some things that were said that lend credence to their story. 1) One of the kids says "I'm freaked". 2) At the end of the video Lori says, in a serious tone..."I've got it all on video". 3) Also...as for the 'general air of humor', that was perfectly understandable. They were on vacation, perhaps drinking a little, awaiting the possible appearance of a creature which is somewhere between an ape, and a man......(Hence..."I'm freaked!").....and simply, feeling upbeat about the potential sighting, and getting it on videotape. In a similar vein....I was talking with my son this weekend, as we were driving to the Prov. Bruins game.....telling him how I was seriously considering driving up to Lake George on Memorial Day ....for 2 reasons.....one, to hike Black Mountain (which overlooks Lake George, a beautiful view, all around), which would have had an exceptionally good view on Monday, since a cold front came through Sunday night.......and....the other reason was to spend a little time driving/walking around West Mountain, hoping to cross paths with a Bigfoot. And guess what.....as we were talking about the possiblity of getting Bigfoot on tape...(and having a 2nd "Memorial Day Video") we were laughing, and joking about it...not in a spirit of 'ridicule', but in a spirit of 'fun'.... And that's exactly what the Pate's were doing.....enjoying themselves. Having FUN with it.
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26th May 2009, 09:20 AM | #204 |
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In fact, the same kid says " That's not a Bigfoot . " What weight does that carry Sweety ? |
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And Tom Lines says " I've got pictures. " Where are those pictures Sweety ? Why didn't Lines mention them in the LMS interview ? Was Lori serious when she says " It's a Dickfoot .. " ? |
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Well, Greggy-Poo.....considering what Tom Lines said, in LMS...."It was just far enough away, that I wasn't quite sure what I was seeing....so I went got my binoculars"....at approx. 900 feet away....if a kid says "That's not a Bigfoot", that assessment doesn't carry a whole lot of weight. It was very difficult for anybody to be sure of the true identity (man or Bigfoot) of the subject they were seeing, from that distance. |
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Thanks to Darkwing at MABRC, I am posting these YOUTUBEs of Rick Nolls Texas presentation. Anyone informed on BF going's on, would recall that Rick Noll told several naysayers the equivalent of 'see you in Texas' when they asked he had any video which was better than what we saw on LMS.
We were then told that the tape machine ate the presentation. Here is that presentation(Pts 1 and 2 ), as posted by Rick Noll. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzLk...layer_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bXFS...layer_embedded |
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But " I'm Freaked ! " does ?
Why doesn't lines mention ' binoculars ' or ' long flowing hair ' on the video soundtrack ? He never mentions what he is seeing through the binoculars.. There is never more than a few seconds where his voice is not heard , but never any comments that resemble his testimony on LMS .. Was he taking pictures through the binoculars .. |
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That's not so easy to conclude....when you consider Lori's father's new, and continued interest in Bigfoot, and his endorsement of his own daughter's encounter/story. He joined a discussion board, or two, and, years after the event.....wrote me that lengthy email. What would his motivation be for all of this......money???? No. Fame? No. Was he lied to/hoaxed by his own daughter? No. It's a whole lot easier to type "Owen and Lori lied" than it is to account for Lori's father's behavior..(outside of his daughter being honest with him)..in supporting Bigfoot, and their sighting/video...and sending me that email. |
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Yes, it does....because that statement/feeling wasn't based solely on what they were seeing..... it was also based on the fact that an adult, Owen...(his father?)...told Lori that he had just seen a Bigfoot up on the hillside, and to get the camcorder ready, in case it re-appeared. And then it did reappear. So, based on what Owen had said he saw.....the kid felt "freaked out". And for good reason. |
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Owen and Lori may both enjoy the Bigfoot myth and are motivated to contribute (fictional) stories because they gain some kind of satisfaction or happiness from it. There may be no social contract between them to only speak the truth when it comes to Bigfoot.
I see that you are making some new friends over on Cryptomundo in the MDV thread. |
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I'd still like to know why the object can't be a backpack, lifted by a strap that is lost in the pixellation, as one of the eyewitnesses to the event opined that it was while the video was being shot.
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A Bigfoot snatched a backpack and is running across the hill with it. Once he gets into the woods - he'll open it up and look for goodies.
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Or why the "lift" can't simply be explained by the subject stepping on a raised object like a rock, pile of dirt, anthill, etc.
At any rate, yet again, the "evidence" for bigfoot is an ambiguous, unclear video. What are the odds, lol? It seems the pictures/videos get worse as technology gets better. |
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I see....you're promoting the F-O-F theory, or explanation......that's the..."Family O' Fruitcakes" theory. I guess it's better than dealing with the alternative......Bigfoot.
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According to Lori Pate's father there was a family up on the hill, and the creature Owen said he saw was NOT the creature videoed. I've already posted twice in this thread asking you to address that.
Here and Here He also said the same thing in the email from him to you that you posted here.
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So a simple question; Do you believe that there was a family of bigfoot on the hill that day or do you believe that it was the same one Owen said he saw? Your quote at the top of this posts indicates that you believe it's the same animal. This not the first or only time you've expressed that belief. I expect you'll answer this time because I don't think I'll let you forget, and if you put me on ignore I'll just ask others not to let you forget. |
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I haven't really looked into that part of the story, yet...but I think that Owen's height estimate was probably accurate, so I'd go with the "family plan", on the hillside that day. As for this statement of yours...
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I'm simply using Lori's father's words to bolster the case for Lori's...and Owen's honesty. The E-quation here is very simple.... Lori's father believes his daughter, and her husband, saw a real Bigfoot. Lori....IN ALL PROBABILITY....did not decieve her own father. Therefore....Lori believes she saw a real Bigfoot. And, by marital, blissful... ...extension....Owen believes he saw a real Bigfoot. Get it? |
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As for what I wrote earlier today...
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I was posting while I was at work...and didn't have time to get into the "which Bigfoot was it" issue. I was simply making a point regarding why the kid's reaction..."I'm freaked" carries weight. It was due to the fact that the kid heard Owen telling Lori that he'd seen a Bigfoot on the hillside, and she should get the camcorder ready, in case it re-appeared. A creature came into view, which at the time, they probably assumed was the same Bigfoot....and, therefore, the kid felt a bit "freaked out". The kid's reaction is very understandable, when you consider the whole picture. They were camping in a remote mountainous area, far away from their home...and an adult is saying he just saw a creature, which is some kind of ape/man, running around on the mountainside. For a young kid......that should feel a little "freaky". |
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Yeah I get it.
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So your answer is you believe there was a family of bigfoot up there that day and you believe Owen saw papa bigfoot which was the same bigfoot that they say was filmed. Remember your quote? I never said Lori deceived her father and I never said Owen did. You said that the same bigfoot that Owen saw was the same one on the film. That makes the Pate family or the LMS crew wrong. Which is it? If the LMS crew is wrong your argument goes poof!!! Get it? Not to mention you can't even answer a question without masking it behind a theatrical performance. I can't respect that...sorry. Who do you think you are Libarace? Grow up and answer like a man. |
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Grow up??? Why? It's much more fun acting/thinking/feeling/looking like a young guy! |
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Hey I think I'm 19 but I don't need to post in colors to hide my insecurities.
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I don't know if that was the case. Sorry. All I can do is take an educated guess at the 'probability' of that being the case. |
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I didn't ask about what was the case... I asked who you thought was wong?
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Well.....here are 2 frames from the first part of the video....the run...where whatever it is that's on the subject's back changes shape pretty drastically... I find it hard to picture a backpack behaving in that manner. Also...this movement of the lifted object doesn't look anything like a backpack, to me... |
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Sweaty, there is something deeply wrong with you. You think those people saw a Bigfoot when the people themselves at the very time of recording what they were seeing did not think they were looking at a Bigfoot.
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Little mak, check post #166 on the page before this. It's much more than that
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