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Old 25th August 2017, 04:22 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Here's an interview with a liberal author who has some suggestions for the Democrats:



The interviewer (at Slate) is pretty hostile to the author's take. I particularly loved this exchange:


(interviewer's comment in bold in original)

Heh, "only" about half of all white America is racist? Can you imagine the outrage if somebody were to write that only about half of black America is lazy? And you know how it is; the interviewer probably feels he's being broad-minded.
And also implying that it's a feature exclusive to white Republican voters. I'll check for the survey, but my memory is that the gap is not big. Something like 45% of White Republicans, and 35% of White Democrats. (depending on the question - i think the one with the highest possibly racist result was "would not want son/daughter to marry nonwhite person")
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Old 25th August 2017, 04:33 PM   #282
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And also implying that it's a feature exclusive to white Republican voters. I'll check for the survey, but my memory is that the gap is not big. Something like 45% of White Republicans, and 35% of White Democrats. (depending on the question - i think the one with the highest possibly racist result was "would not want son/daughter to marry nonwhite person")
Bigger gap on this question: "Blacks lack the motivation to pull themselves out of poverty."
White Republicans = 60% | White Democrats = 40%

Source is NORC's [General Social Survey]
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Originally Posted by blutoski View Post
Bigger gap on this question: "Blacks lack the motivation to pull themselves out of poverty."
White Republicans = 60% | White Democrats = 40%

Source is NORC's [General Social Survey]
Point being, I guess, that if you average that out, it does come to about half. The debate could be about whether agreement with these statements ("Too much government money is spent on blacks." and "I would prefer not to live in a neighbourhood with blacks.") is actually racist.

Incidentally, to your example above, the White Republican agreement with "Blacks are lazy" is about 40%. So, no, not half, but, 40% certainly feels like something that's gone past 'stereotype' and moving well into the 'common feature' zone.
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Bigger gap on this question: "Blacks lack the motivation to pull themselves out of poverty."
White Republicans = 60% | White Democrats = 40%

Source is NORC's [General Social Survey]
Institutional racism and white privilege are profoundly demoralizing. It's no surprise that many minority groups see no point in slaving away for scraps from a society that will always treat them like second class citizens, and will never let them enjoy the full measure of their efforts.

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Originally Posted by blutoski View Post
And also implying that it's a feature exclusive to white Republican voters. I'll check for the survey, but my memory is that the gap is not big. Something like 45% of White Republicans, and 35% of White Democrats. (depending on the question - i think the one with the highest possibly racist result was "would not want son/daughter to marry nonwhite person")
That was about the ballpark with a seat-of-the-pants average across a handful of questions, IIRC. It was just under half of self-identified republican-leaning people, and just over a third of self-identified democrat-leaning people.
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Institutional racism and white privilege are profoundly demoralizing. It's no surprise that many minority groups see no point in slaving away for scraps from a society that will always treat them like second class citizens, and will never let them enjoy the full measure of their efforts.
Privilege exists in any context, it's not limited to white people. On average, white people benefit from more privileges than black people do. Men have more privilege than men. Tall people have more privilege than short people. Fit people have more privilege than fat people.

That said, it's not something that anyone should EVER give up on! But it's also not something that can be fixed with legislation - or with shaming and demeaning the people who benefit from that privilege. The privileged groups haven't done anything wrong, they're not taking advantage of others or causing harm. But it is definitely worth continuing to discuss and consider and analyze. That's the only way you can shift social expectations, which are the driver at the heart of privilege. Those expectations are based on stereotypes, media portrayals, historical tradition, and many other things. They shift over time, and they can get better, but if you give up and quit engaging in that discussion... they won't
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