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Old 13th October 2017, 12:11 AM   #2161
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From the 1:02 mark to the 2:05 mark.
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Old 19th October 2017, 02:00 PM   #2162
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Old 27th October 2017, 07:41 PM   #2163
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Old 1st November 2017, 09:53 AM   #2164
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One last video

...for old times sake

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(military prototype version of the FBair)
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Old 1st November 2017, 10:02 AM   #2165
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Originally Posted by esspee View Post
One last video

...for old times sake

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(military prototype version of the FBair)
I still think that is a *really* silly application - excepting some very niche situations. It was silly in the 1950's and it is sillier now.

If you are flying around like that, you are going to be highly visible, and as well as being in danger if your are shot, your personal transport will also be vulnerable, and if that fails, you are likely to be injured.

I keep having an image of the grouse butts round here and tweedy people with shotguns being very effective at shooting birds out of the sky.
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Old 1st November 2017, 12:48 PM   #2166
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I still think that is a *really* silly application - excepting some very niche situations. It was silly in the 1950's and it is sillier now.

If you are flying around like that, you are going to be highly visible, and as well as being in danger if your are shot, your personal transport will also be vulnerable, and if that fails, you are likely to be injured.

I keep having an image of the grouse butts round here and tweedy people with shotguns being very effective at shooting birds out of the sky.
I'll admit, i am no military strategist but i see no real combat or military logitcal use for this invention.

i do however see it being a great pleasure and hobby thing for people.

kind of like people fly microlights etc at the weekend.

The best thing i could see it being used in he forces would be for airborne parade drills displays at special events.

A full parade drill would be in 3 dimensions would be rather entertaining, and probably good for recruiting the next generation of soldiers. ( i think this is why they invented airshows in the first place tbh)



side note = One thing a lot of people talked about on this thread and on youtube comments was that this thing would be pointeless due to is loudness.

Well i have to say - when i saw it is really was not that loud at all, and they were even blasting out extra noise of the thing from the loud speakers present.

its actually not that loud at all.

having said that, i had been watching jet fighters most of the morning, so thee quitness could have been from comparison or from temorary hearing damage.

Some of those jets at that airshow were incredibly loud, like feel it in your chest, fell it in our soul loud. I did not have earplugs coz i did not expect them to be so close, but even with my fingers in my ears it was literally unbearabl loud at times.

Sion airshow is highly recommended, best airshow i have ever been to, insanley close, and if you are cheap, you can just hang out next to the end of thee runway for a free show ( as i did on day one) In many ways, it was a better location too.

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Old 4th November 2017, 04:05 PM   #2167
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I still think that is a *really* silly application - excepting some very niche situations. It was silly in the 1950's and it is sillier now.

If you are flying around like that, you are going to be highly visible, and as well as being in danger if your are shot, your personal transport will also be vulnerable, and if that fails, you are likely to be injured.

I keep having an image of the grouse butts round here and tweedy people with shotguns being very effective at shooting birds out of the sky.
The main application I could see for them would be a replacement for short ranged blackhawk drop off flights where the soldiers were mostly flying over friendly airspace. It would have a few advantages.

* Multiple vehicles means that the loss of one or two isn't as devastating to the mission as losing an entire compliment of soldiers inside a single vehicle

* Would allow for a single compliment of soldiers to target multiple drop zones simultaneously without risking multiple helicopters and crew.

* Likely small enough to avoid radar contact. Means you can send in a small swarm of them and avoid detection, other then by the noise they make.

* Night operations, they would be incredibly hard to see when flying in the dark, while operators could probably use night vision gear to see well enough to operate them safely.
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Old 4th November 2017, 08:27 PM   #2168
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I'll admit, i am no military strategist but i see no real combat or military logitcal use for this invention.
In the Steve Martin remake of Sargent Bilko (1996), there is a silly scene where a billion dollar, high tech "hover tank" fires its 120mm high velocity gun, for the first time, while hovering.
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Old 5th November 2017, 02:03 AM   #2169
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I see your Sgt. Bilko and raise you The A Team movie.
For exactly the opposite reaction to your scientific dismay.
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Old 5th November 2017, 02:21 AM   #2170
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* Multiple vehicles means that the loss of one or two isn't as devastating to the mission as losing an entire compliment of soldiers inside a single vehicle

* Likely small enough to avoid radar contact. Means you can send in a small swarm of them and avoid detection, other then by the noise they make.
And related to these, its much harder to shoot down 11 individual combat troops than one single UH60, because they are much smaller targets. Furthermore, you don't put the UH60's two pilots and two crew chiefs at risk.

A larger version could also be flown in by remote control (like a drone) along with a deployment of troops to carry additional equipment.
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Old 7th November 2017, 02:22 PM   #2171
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I still think that is a *really* silly application - excepting some very niche situations. It was silly in the 1950's and it is sillier now.

If you are flying around like that, you are going to be highly visible, and as well as being in danger if your are shot, your personal transport will also be vulnerable, and if that fails, you are likely to be injured.

I keep having an image of the grouse butts round here and tweedy people with shotguns being very effective at shooting birds out of the sky.
besides being louder would these things offer any advantage over parachutes? could they be used for low altitude drops for special forces or alternitively on a mass deployment level, or could they be used as rapid exfiltration options at the end of a mission?

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besides being louder would these things offer any advantage over parachutes? could they be used for low altitude drops for special forces or alternitively on a mass deployment level, or could they be used as rapid exfiltration options at the end of a mission?

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How about a "Blackhawk Down" situation?

Carry a couple of these on board for the pilot and copilot. They strap on, shoot straight up to 2,000 ft and head back to base. Lets see your grouse shooter knock them out of the sky.

Range might be a problem, but at least it will give them a head start on the enemy
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'Iron man' flight sets first world record.
British inventor Richard Browning has set the first world speed record for "flying a body-controlled jet engine power suit".
Flying over a lake near Reading. Fourth run ends up in the water.

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More fakery from Guinness!

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The BBC are clearly in on it, too, as he featured on Robot Wars the other week.
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Old 10th November 2017, 10:21 PM   #2177
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This thread is a dead horse, No sense in beating it any further. Espee admitted he was incorrect about his assumptions and I commend him for that.

Time to move on.
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Old 11th November 2017, 03:23 AM   #2178
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This thread is a dead horse, No sense in beating it any further. Espee admitted he was incorrect about his assumptions and I commend him for that.

Time to move on.
I placed the word DEBUNKED in front of all of my videos, and then I made a vid declaring my error specifically directed for Zapata and his team,

I plan to make a similar video for the Real life Iron Man suit guys too, because its fairly clear that i was wrong about that one too.

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