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Old 21st September 2017, 03:30 AM   #1641
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
After you remove all the hoaxes and false flags, how much of an upswing is left? You're long on anecdotes* but still short on data.
Well we are writing off all antisemitic graffiti as the work of jews to start with, so that makes it rather hard to say. Clearly no one would ever feel comfortable expressing antisemitic views in public so we can safely assume all instances of this are really jews doing it for the attention. This makes statistics more troublesome as that is the most common increase noted in the statistics.

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* Not really; you just keep milking the same few anecdotes over and over again.
That is your basic position by using a few anecdotes to dismiss all of them.
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Old 21st September 2017, 03:31 AM   #1642
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Originally Posted by Noztradamus View Post
If you say so
Criticising the president will get the white house to call for your firing.
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Old 21st September 2017, 05:48 AM   #1643
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Well we are writing off all antisemitic graffiti as the work of jews to start with, so that makes it rather hard to say. Clearly no one would ever feel comfortable expressing antisemitic views in public so we can safely assume all instances of this are really jews doing it for the attention. This makes statistics more troublesome as that is the most common increase noted in the statistics.



That is your basic position by using a few anecdotes to dismiss all of them.
Who exactly is saying all antisemitic graffiti is done by Jews?
What has been documented is some of it was. Deal with it.
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Old 21st September 2017, 05:58 AM   #1644
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Who exactly is saying all antisemitic graffiti is done by Jews?
What has been documented is some of it was. Deal with it.
And it is all being dismissed. So any statistics about it are irrelevant.
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Old 24th October 2017, 09:55 AM   #1645
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A suspect has been arrested in the case of the racist graffiti at Eastern Michigan University last year.

However, the messages appeared before the election, so this isn't really part of the "massive wave." Also, the police are saying that the graffiti was "self-serving", and not racially motivated.
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Old 24th October 2017, 09:59 AM   #1646
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And it is all being dismissed. So any statistics about it are irrelevant.
Relevant statistics have good data collection methodologies. The data collected in the OP had some problems. Since then this thread has been pretty much entirely anecdotes, speculation, and frustrated sarcasm.

If you have statistics showing a "massive wave of hate crimes against minorities" in the week following the election, by all means, share them!
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Old 8th November 2017, 02:25 PM   #1647
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Another hate crime due to President Trump's election solved.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air...rnd/index.html
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Old 8th November 2017, 06:47 PM   #1648
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Originally Posted by Wolrab View Post
Another hate crime due to President Trump's election solved.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air...rnd/index.html

It seems people like Douglas Murray were right with their "Supply and Demand" observation.

From just the last month:
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Old 9th November 2017, 09:59 AM   #1649
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With all the real hate crime going on, why do people feel the need to perpetrate so many "hoaxes"?

And speaking of "hoaxes", Ace of Spades has an interesting argument about how these kinds of incidents aren't hoaxes at all. They're literally hate crimes themselves:
Why does someone write a real bit of hate-graffiti? For these reasons:

1. To threaten/worry a racial minority.

2. To stir up racial divisions.

3. To encourage others to express their own racial hatreds (for minorities).

Now, why does a member of a minority group write hate-graffiti?

1. To threaten/worry a racial minority.

2. To stir up racial divisions.

3. To encourage others to express their own racial hatreds (for the group presumed responsible for the graffiti, usually straight white Christian men).

Now, notice that in both cases, the motivations and the intent and the act and even the very words used are precisely the same.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372429.php
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Old 9th November 2017, 10:36 AM   #1650
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You forgot to create a diversion from a crime.
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Old 10th November 2017, 01:31 AM   #1651
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Originally Posted by Wolrab View Post
Another hate crime due to President Trump's election solved.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air...rnd/index.html
So...5 students, 1 perpetrator.

Hold it, this leaves 4 victims. Whether or not that's a "hate crime" depends on the state, but that's still 4 other students that found racist graffitti on their doors and had no clue who did it.

ETA: still not evidence of a statistical increase, clearly.

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Old 13th November 2017, 10:08 AM   #1652
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So...5 students, 1 perpetrator.

Hold it, this leaves 4 victims. Whether or not that's a "hate crime" depends on the state, but that's still 4 other students that found racist graffitti on their doors and had no clue who did it.

ETA: still not evidence of a statistical increase, clearly.
Clearly this is worth several nazi's shooting and beating people in the streets though so we have to discount those acts too.
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