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Old Yesterday, 06:10 PM   #3321
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
"Me" and "copy" are simply labels here, not any sort of metaphysical description.
This needs to reiterated so Jabba can properly ignore it.

Jabba keeps thinking he's trapped us in some masterful gotcha intellectual paradoxes (or more accurately he thinks he's finally properly directed his actors into performing a scene where that happens) because we're not bothering to make linguistic distinctions between intellectual distinctions he recognizes but we don't.

That's why Jabba thinks he's trapped us when we say that the brain is a thing but the mind is a process. The fact that we've established over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over the distinction we are making, he's "winning" because we aren't using his words.

Jabba thinks he's won because we can't or won't talk using his language.
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Old Yesterday, 06:18 PM   #3322
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@Jabba,

After the copying process, which of the two persons would believe he be the original Jabba?

You've already answered this, by the way. Your answer was "both", and you were correct. What does that tell you about your concept of "me"?
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Old Today, 12:21 AM   #3323
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Originally Posted by Jabba View Post
#1. How many potential loaves of bread are there -- i.e., how many different loaves of bread could we make if we never ran out of time or the necessary conditions?
47. The rest are just copies of the originals.

Now what?
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