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Old 7th October 2017, 08:27 AM   #1761
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As late as the early 1900s, fur was a status symbol. It stopped being a status symbol when faux fur became available. Let's look at an authoritative source like Smithsonian Magazine.
From 1919 to 1928, the United States government imposed a 10 percent tax on real fur as part of wartime measures, leading to a boon for pile manufacturers.

As technology improved, manufacturers were able to create fur effects in silk—resembling leopard, gazelle, and mole—and eventually, synthetic pile fabrics like Orlon and Dynel, created in 1948 and 1950, respectively. By 1957, fake furriers were trying their hands at replicating mink, beaver, chinchilla, seal, raccoon, ermine, pony, and giraffe, some with more success than others. At best, one could hope to convince the eye, if not the touch.
The PG film was made in 1967 when faux fur was well established. This was a full decade after the movie, The Abominable Snowman, came out in 1957. H. Beam Piper wrote Little Fuzzy in 1962 and then Fuzzy Sapiens in 1964. This is where the Ewoks in Star Wars came from.
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Old 7th October 2017, 04:44 PM   #1762
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I've never bought Munns' claim that he's some kind of expert on fake fur from the 60's - if for no other reason (there's others) than he wasn't in "fake fur" in the 60's. The cornerstone of his phony appeal to authority is that's not fake fur on Patty because "he knows fake fur when he sees it." So instead, and out of thin air, he creates an entirely new species of bipedal animal to explain her because he's so smart and clever that it's absolutely impossible Roger Patterson could be putting one over on him. Really?

The most pathetic aspect of all is he has actually proven to the world his utter lack of skill and ability by not doing what he's been preaching he does, build costumes. More than anything else in the world, Munns wants to be better than Roger Patterson, and has been given a vast amount of time and leeway with which to do so given RP is long since dead. Yet he's not only never come close, he's never even tried. Why is that? Because it's impossible? No. Because he's just words. Think about how big of a loser you must be to continuously and shamelessly proclaim in words your exceptional talent and dominance over a guy who's been dead 35 years and yet in the end get absolutely buried by that guy's long gone but actual talent and expertise. That's within the definition of LOSER.

Bill Munns has the fastest race car you'd ever race, but he'll never race you so you'll just have to accept that he's gonna be the fastest. Racing is all about words, not horsepow...wait, what?
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Old 7th October 2017, 06:35 PM   #1763
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I think they used real fur on Patty because of the sheen on the coat. It also lays more realistically than faux fur IMO. Patty looks like she's made of dyed rabbit fur to me. It would also explain that supposed hunk of something sticking out as she walked that someone thought was a thigh wound.
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Old 7th October 2017, 06:52 PM   #1764
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There is nothing natural about the lay of the ' fur ' on Patty.

Real animals don't look like they have seams all over their bodies..
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Old 7th October 2017, 07:26 PM   #1765
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I think you missed my point. I don't think they used faux fur on Patty.
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Old 8th October 2017, 06:50 AM   #1766
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Old 8th October 2017, 10:56 AM   #1767
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No, but if you can see seams on Patty then I can see why others might be fooled into thinking it was a bigfoot. It's too grainy to see detail like that. In other words, it's just as equally your imagination as it is the die hard believers who think this is a real bigfoot.
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Old 9th October 2017, 05:06 PM   #1768
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
There is nothing natural about the lay of the ' fur ' on Patty.

Real animals don't look like they have seams all over their bodies..
Such a simple point even my favorite whipping boy Munns has glaringly missed. The non-seamless-ness of Patty's fur. The zipper might not be so obvious, but that costume is literally screaming that there's one in there somewhere.
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Old 11th October 2017, 01:16 PM   #1769
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Originally Posted by Jodie View Post
No, but if you can see seams on Patty then I can see why others might be fooled into thinking it was a bigfoot. It's too grainy to see detail like that. In other words, it's just as equally your imagination as it is the die hard believers who think this is a real bigfoot.
No, it's not my imagination.

It's a suit, therefore it has seams. They have been pointed out before.

You can sort through the thousands of posts and see that information.

Here is one of the most obvious for you.

Keep in mind, they are not necessarily sewn seams, but a seam where one piece of the suit ends and another one starts.
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Old 11th October 2017, 05:47 PM   #1770
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
The non-seamless-ness of Patty's fur. The zipper might not be so obvious, but that costume is literally screaming that there's one in there somewhere.
This has been mentioned before. Some seem to be desperately holding onto the idea that the back doesn't show a zipper line. If there is a zipper, I'm sure he was smart enough to put it on the left side. But I don't know why he would bother. He could have just used lacing or even safety pins.
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Old 11th October 2017, 06:44 PM   #1771
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The costume may not have had any zipper or laces or pins at all.
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Old 11th October 2017, 06:56 PM   #1772
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
No, it's not my imagination.

It's a suit, therefore it has seams. They have been pointed out before.

You can sort through the thousands of posts and see that information.

Here is one of the most obvious for you.

Keep in mind, they are not necessarily sewn seams, but a seam where one piece of the suit ends and another one starts.
Sorry, not seeing it in that grainy footage. You can't see seams on my dresses in my old home movies from the 1960's either, I'm just saying. Obviously it's a suit but it's impossible to say how it was pieced together based on the video.
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Old 11th October 2017, 07:10 PM   #1773
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This has been mentioned before. Some seem to be desperately holding onto the idea that the back doesn't show a zipper line. If there is a zipper, I'm sure he was smart enough to put it on the left side. But I don't know why he would bother. He could have just used lacing or even safety pins.
No zipper needed if it was a top and bottoms; which was a common practice with such suits, and a fact that Munns ignored.

If BH is telling the truth, this is exactly the case.
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Old 11th October 2017, 07:29 PM   #1774
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Looking at the shading in that clip, they remind me of chaps.
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Old 11th October 2017, 10:09 PM   #1775
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To be clear-er, the zipper remark was meant metaphorically, not as predicated truth. As seen in the marginally comedic "where's the zipper?" remark. I think we agree the "fur" is pretty patchy and unnatural and way too imperfect when you really look at it to seem real, and thus all it's missing is an obvious zipper. That is, the wearer probably didn't get into it thru some opening in the anus so there was probably at least two good sized parts needed to put on the complete suit and they had to be inter-connected somehow (tied, glued, zippered, stuffed and/or otherwise mated with - and I don't care which) to work as a whole for say 30 seconds. That's all.
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Old 12th October 2017, 12:06 AM   #1776
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Yep, looks like a flap on the butt just like a pair of Long John's, bet that's how he got in the suit.
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Old 13th October 2017, 01:02 PM   #1777
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For what it's worth, M.K. and Patterson's Roe Ape early walk:

https://thedavisreport.wordpress.com...sition-frames/
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a human walking carefully clip, cropped with transition frames.
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Old 13th October 2017, 03:03 PM   #1779
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My god the sole at the heel is ridiculous. Particularly at the left foot. It sticks out so far beyond the ankle that it looks like a snowshoe worn backwards. This isn't just a fake foot - it's comedy.
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Old 13th October 2017, 03:06 PM   #1780
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:08 PM   #1781
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Looking at the shading in that clip, they remind me of chaps.

Jodie I never considered chaps before, but you just might be onto something.

Rog was a cowboy, a leatherworker and somewhat resourceful.

Assuming he cannibalized a suit, it would make sense that he improvised with items already in his posession.

Your chaps comment has gotten me thinking in a different direction.

FWIW: Image Searching 'furry antique cowboy chaps' -- or any similar term -- is best done with safesearch turned on.
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:50 PM   #1782
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
No zipper needed if it was a top and bottoms; which was a common practice with such suits, and a fact that Munns ignored.

If BH is telling the truth, this is exactly the case.

Yeah, top and bottom. It's possible RP employed a furred strap as part of the butt, that passed between the legs, attaching with a sturdy snap, or whatever, to the trousers, or even at the top's crotch nearer the front. Or, vice versa, from front to back. Easily done for Roger and would be hidden in the groin area almost entirely. This would help marry the top to the bottom and allow somewhat for a better illusion, in motion, of top, bottom and butt being a single piece. Perhaps.
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You know, it's puzzling. Davis scrutinizes the back and suggests that the changes in brightness are due to movement of the back muscles. He sees this as clear evidence that the figure is real. But the weird thing to me is that the gluteus muscle is massive compared to the back muscles. So, if you truly can see movement in the back muscles then the gluteus flexion should be impossible to miss. But I don't see any movement of the gluteus, and Davis makes no mention of this. I don't know what conclusion you can draw other than confirmation bias.
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Old 13th October 2017, 09:30 PM   #1784
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My god the sole at the heel is ridiculous. Particularly at the left foot. It sticks out so far beyond the ankle that it looks like a snowshoe worn backwards. This isn't just a fake foot - it's comedy.
I see what you mean, this frame.
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I see what you mean, this frame.
Frame 72 is the blockfoot frame, frame 61 is perfectfoot:

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Frame 72 is the blockfoot frame, frame 61 is perfectfoot:
Meet Surfboardfoot.
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The feet are the same length. So, this is clearly a costuming error.
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The feet are the same length. So, this is clearly a costuming error.
Maybe the actor's own foot is moving around inside the huge fake foot?
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My god the sole at the heel is ridiculous. Particularly at the left foot. It sticks out so far beyond the ankle that it looks like a snowshoe worn backwards. This isn't just a fake foot - it's comedy.
That is over exposure of the frame, if I remember my Bill Munns responses correctly.
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Jodie I never considered chaps before, but you just might be onto something.

Rog was a cowboy, a leatherworker and somewhat resourceful.

Assuming he cannibalized a suit, it would make sense that he improvised with items already in his posession.

Your chaps comment has gotten me thinking in a different direction.

FWIW: Image Searching 'furry antique cowboy chaps' -- or any similar term -- is best done with safesearch turned on.
LOLOL....I didn't even to think to search it but thanks for the heads up.
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That is over exposure of the frame, if I remember my Bill Munns responses correctly.
The frames are over-exposed to such an extent that you cannot ever see toes.
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The frames are over-exposed to such an extent that you cannot ever see toes.
You can, however, see ass crack.
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It's the way that rabbit fur is attached.
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You can, however, see ass crack.
Which is a pretty interesting detail to hoax to the degree that he did. As curious as the breasts. Then again, if you're gonna try to outsmart an appreciable chunk of humanity with a clever monster hoax, you gotta give them a clever monster hoax. Though his attempt at giving the beast the appearance of genuine bulk, definition and conformation that the typical Hollywood "ape" costumes at the time lacked wasn't necessarily as clever as it was effective. For many people it throws the logic off the scent of phony just enough.
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That is over exposure of the frame, if I remember my Bill Munns responses correctly.
If that were true then why is the left foot the same length as the right foot where the toes are visible? That doesn't really follow.
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Maybe the actor's own foot is moving around inside the huge fake foot?
Another explanation is that he kept tripping over the elongated foot, so it had to be moved backward. That would actually match with the video.
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That is over exposure of the frame, if I remember my Bill Munns responses correctly.
And white sand from the creek bed, he said. Oh, and something about being closer to the camera.......
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Old 17th October 2017, 04:45 PM   #1798
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I would have no problem letting Munns back in here. We've been deprived of his presence too long. We should be dismantling him in person. Too bad he's such a douchenozzle. Maybe we can petition for his return through that other douchenozzle Jerry Brown, the governor of California, Patty's home state.
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Old 17th October 2017, 10:06 PM   #1799
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And white sand from the creek bed, he said. Oh, and something about being closer to the camera.......
Well, again, overexposure causing blooming of the light areas would make the foot larger. But it matches the right foot in length. And you can see the same tree in both images so it wasn't much different in terms of distance.
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Old 18th October 2017, 04:40 AM   #1800
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And there is a new guy out there claiming there is a baby on Patty's back.
He got mad when he was told it was silly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJsANAuAROE
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