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Old 20th September 2017, 12:34 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Show cancelled still running, 18 years later. Story falls apart in its first sentence.
Still running, and the most likely place you will see some of the stars of the seventies, if they try and escape Operation Yew Tree...
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Old 20th September 2017, 04:11 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
They probably meant the show she was going to put on ie an episode...
They probably pulled the whole idea out of their butts. There were a number of fairly outlandish theories about the murder at the time but it was only many years later when the Jimmy Saville story blew up that anyone decided to try to join those particular dots.

You don't suppress investigative journalism by killing one of a TV show's studio presenters. Presenters don't investigate stories. Each story they covered would be prepared and scripted by an assistant producer. The presenter just gets the script on the day. And in any case Crimewatch is not directly an investigative show. It publicises unsolved crimes in collaboration with the police and passes on any information received.

In other words the story is baseless innuendo which makes no sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
They probably pulled the whole idea out of their butts. There were a number of fairly outlandish theories about the murder at the time but it was only many years later when the Jimmy Saville story blew up that anyone decided to try to join those particular dots.

You don't suppress investigative journalism by killing one of a TV show's studio presenters. Presenters don't investigate stories. Each story they covered would be prepared and scripted by an assistant producer. The presenter just gets the script on the day. And in any case Crimewatch is not directly an investigative show. It publicises unsolved crimes in collaboration with the police and passes on any information received.

In other words the story is baseless innuendo which makes no sense at all.
I agree.

There were rumours of Dando uncovering some kind of sexual scandal at the BBC, just as there were rumours of a revenge attack for somebody arrested after a Crimewatch Appeal, or of Eastern European hit men, professional rivalry and the like. But we have to consider the following:

1) Crimewatch is not an investigation led program. It reenacts crimes to prompt viewers to call in with useful leads.
2) The scandals at the BBC are not about an organised ring of paedophiles but about a range of unsavoury allegations to which many people turned a blind eye, or covered over without reporting to the police.
3) If one was worried about a paedophile ring being exposed, surely one would target the newspapers and shows that were on high profile crusades against paedophiles before and after her murder? The News Of The World leaking the list of offenders for example?
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Old 20th September 2017, 10:42 AM   #84
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What I want to know is, if there are so many pedos runnings the world, why was it ever made illegal in the first place? Hell, look at the history of child pornography:

How the hell did all these Shadow Pedos ever let that happen?!?!
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Yes, while controlling the world they could have made 'pedoism' a sacred act using the various religions. They seem to be a bunch of slackers.
Sounds alot like Kyoon's version of The Illuminati, doesn't it? They're just as inept as them.
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Old 21st September 2017, 02:59 AM   #85
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There is an interesting opinion about all this on YouTube by Putin which makes sense to me. He doesn't specifically mention Hollywood. Personally, I think it's a failure of the mainstream media to do some useful and pointed criticism about the matter probably because many people have immunity from prosecution. It always annoyed me that Nancy Krebs was never believed in the JonBenet Ramsey case. She was described as a fruitloop and mentally ill by the Californian police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs_w7hgYBk
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Old 21st September 2017, 04:17 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
What I want to know is, if there are so many pedos runnings the world, why was it ever made illegal in the first place?
Maybe they're greedy and want all the kiddies for themselves. Maybe it just gets dull after the first few hundred years and the only thrill left is transgressing the law and getting away with it. Maybe it's a combination of both: the worldwide cabal of above-the-law paedos make it illegal simply to prevent upstart paedo groups forming and eventually competing with them for power.
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Bubba's Discovery Channel show is probably in the same locked vault as the show where Tony Szamboti saw Larry Silverstein admit to blowing up the World Trade Center.


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Old 21st September 2017, 12:31 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is an interesting opinion about all this on YouTube by Putin which makes sense to me. He doesn't specifically mention Hollywood. Personally, I think it's a failure of the mainstream media to do some useful and pointed criticism about the matter probably because many people have immunity from prosecution. It always annoyed me that Nancy Krebs was never believed in the JonBenet Ramsey case. She was described as a fruitloop and mentally ill by the Californian police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs_w7hgYBk
A youtube video? Horrors ! Rank and file will not see.
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Old 21st September 2017, 12:43 PM   #89
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Again, your perspective is warped. Here they absolutely do report it. There are ongoing enquiries into Edward heath (former prime minister) and Cyril Smith (former high profile MP), both as a result of stuff reported by newspapers. So, Bubba, you are lying.

Now that is good to know, thanks! I stand corrected. I think it was mentioned among others, in the OP video which, alas, is on the disregarded worthless and reviled youTube mind control system of the naive gullible cranky crackpot viewership. Fortunately no self respecting member will see it.

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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
A youtube video? Horrors ! Rank and file will not see.
Video was better than I expected. I enjoy that sort of subversive humor. Rather like the Onion or the better articles on Something Awful.
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Old 21st September 2017, 01:03 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is an interesting opinion about all this on YouTube by Putin which makes sense to me. He doesn't specifically mention Hollywood. Personally, I think it's a failure of the mainstream media to do some useful and pointed criticism about the matter probably because many people have immunity from prosecution. It always annoyed me that Nancy Krebs was never believed in the JonBenet Ramsey case. She was described as a fruitloop and mentally ill by the Californian police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERs_w7hgYBk
Thanks for an informative item! Got more?

While Hollywood is certainly important, world leaders seem far more important. Good if true what it said about Putin naming names of elite pedo leaders, and good point about which leaders have remained silent and why.

If only it were not one of those silly youtube videos, others could see. !

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Old 21st September 2017, 01:15 PM   #92
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Gee... a youtube video. The ultimate source of facts for people like you!


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Old 21st September 2017, 01:16 PM   #93
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Video was better than I expected. I enjoy that sort of subversive humor. Rather like the Onion or the better articles on Something Awful.

Which video ? In post #1, or 22, or 85 ?
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Which video ? In post #1, or 22, or 85 ?
Any video you or mcphee links.
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Sounds alot like Kyoon's version of The Illuminati, doesn't it? They're just as inept as them.
Its odd isn't comparing real repressive organizations to the cartoon ones that CT make up.
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You'd best not look then.
I won't. I would be more interested in what you have to say, but you never have anything to say. All you ever do is post links.

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Old 22nd September 2017, 02:53 AM   #97
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At the risk of being suspended on this forum, which does not like controversy, there is more stuff on You Tube about pedophiles in Hollywood.

I suppose many people on this forum are too young to remember, but there used to be a famous comedian called Bob Hope. He used to have the knack of telling a joke, which is a bit unusual nowadays, and he was an MC/comedian at the Oscars for many years. The thing is since he died in about 2003 there have been many books and rumors which suggest he was similar to the famous DJ Jimmy Savile in the UK in his child sex activities. There are also allegations against Spielberg which I confess I know nothing about.
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At the risk of being suspended on this forum, which does not like controversy, there is more stuff on You Tube about pedophiles in Hollywood.

I suppose many people on this forum are too young to remember, but there used to be a famous comedian called Bob Hope. He used to have the knack of telling a joke, which is a bit unusual nowadays, and he was an MC/comedian at the Oscars for many years. The thing is since he died in about 2003 there have been many books and rumors which suggest he was similar to the famous DJ Jimmy Savile in the UK in his child sex activities. There are also allegations against Spielberg which I confess I know nothing about.
Name 3 of these books, please.
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Name 3 of these books, please.
The book Full Service:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...ood-golden-age

...but how believable is it?
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At the risk of being suspended on this forum, which does not like controversy, there is more stuff on You Tube about pedophiles in Hollywood.

I suppose many people on this forum are too young to remember, but there used to be a famous comedian called Bob Hope. He used to have the knack of telling a joke, which is a bit unusual nowadays, and he was an MC/comedian at the Oscars for many years. The thing is since he died in about 2003 there have been many books and rumors which suggest he was similar to the famous DJ Jimmy Savile in the UK in his child sex activities. There are also allegations against Spielberg which I confess I know nothing about.
Controversy is cool, we just like evidence to go along with it. You can rail against Jimmy Savile or Roman Polanski all day and night here and no one will say they didn't commit crimes. You could probably do the same with Bill Cosby if you liked. But you want to come at Bob Hope you better come with something strong.
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This subject interests me because I think it's relevant to the JonBenet Ramsey murder. Fleet White's father used to arrange these wild parties in California. I think Fleet White Jr carried it on in conjunction with Lockheed Martin when he moved to Colorado. Fleet White has immunity from prosecution and immunity from criticism.

The Hollywood director Stanley Kubrick has mentioned these pedophile parties and secret societies, including Bob Hope, in the past and there is controversy about his death which was the same year as he made a controversial film about the matter, which I think starred Nicole Kidman in 1999.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EneQ6T32aJc

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Controversy is cool, we just like evidence to go along with it. You can rail against Jimmy Savile or Roman Polanski all day and night here and no one will say they didn't commit crimes. You could probably do the same with Bill Cosby if you liked. But you want to come at Bob Hope you better come with something strong.
There is a bit about Bob Hope at this You Tube video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=emIrEUdpUTc
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Yeah, that's some complete bollocks there, Henri. Conspiracy theorists. Ever heard of them?

He's made the entire case against Bob Hope, which you seem to have swallowed, based on a mask worn by someone in Eyes Wide Shut by Kubrick. This is Kyoon's territory. You can do better.
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Yeah, that's some complete bollocks there, Henri. Conspiracy theorists. Ever heard of them?

He's made the entire case against Bob Hope, which you seem to have swallowed, based on a mask worn by someone in Eyes Wide Shut by Kubrick. This is Kyoon's territory. You can do better.
Good lord, is this what conspiracy theories have sunk to? Back in my day, even a journeyman CTer would have a good 45 minutes of rubbish in a video. Bunches of video clips from different movies with hidden messages. Maybe an interview with Ted Gunderson. That clip was just lazy. Alex Jones would just be shaking his head in disgust.
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60s and 70s news reports, vaccines

On their homepage it appears that Aaron and Melissa Dykes have been digging in various areas. Here is one item they produced

60s and 70s govt/news reports, vaccines.

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Back in 1971, they just admitted vaccines were ineffective and even that some had cancer viruses in them… right on the nightly news.
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http://truthstreammedia.com/2017/05/...ted-news-1971/
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Excuse me for not opening a link from a clickbait site that includes news that the zombie apocalypse has arrived, and other such newsworthy items, so perhaps you would be so kind as to say who "they" are.
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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/TruthStreamMedia

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TruthStreamMedia is a "news" website run by Aaron and Melissa Dykes. It promotes both conspiracy theories and pseudoscience, such as "bioengineering" vaccines[1] and "eugenicist" water.[2] They also seem to think that mind control is real[3], and other general ********.

Aaron Dykes was the cinematographer for the Alex Jones-directed film, TerrorStorm: A History of Government-Sponsored Terrorism (2006).[4]
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On their homepage it appears that Aaron and Melissa Dykes have been digging in various areas. Here is one item they produced

Perhaps if they avoided slightly swampy sub-level areas with lots of luxuriant foliage and mosquitoes, they would produce something other than second-hand effluent?

I only seek to enlighten...
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"Back in 1971, THEYTM just admitted that vaccines were ineffective .... on the nightly news"
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https://gimletmedia.com/science-vs/

Their latest episode covered something along these lines. Not quite but close. In the 70s there was a guy who got a lot of attention talking up the dangers of vaccines and some evidence of vaccine induced epilepsy.

Any rate, a little truth and a lot of scare mongering.
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So we are supposed to believe a report on vaccines almost a half century ago is applicable to today's vaccines? And it's a news report, not even a peer reviewed study, no less.
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As a victim of molestation when I was a kid, I'm not going to pretend to be nice about this.

First you have to separate fact from fiction...

Facts:

There are pedophile groups around the world. NAMBLA is the best known because they are an advocacy group. Mexican Cartels, and other organized crime syndicates participate in molestation as well as use it as blackmail.

Hollywood has a long, confirmed history of pedophilia. I'm a resident of California, I know folks working in the industry. The problem is as bad as you think it is.

Prosecuting molestation cases is often difficult due to the ages of the victims, reluctance to testify, or unwillingness to press charges.

The one of the things that makes prosecution hard, and allows real child predators to walk free is the thinking found in pedophile CTs. Once you go down the CT rabbit-hole you've surrendered fact for hearsay. The prime example remains the McMartin Preschool Trial, an entire case built on the lies of a Pedo CTist shrink. For a decade after all any defense attorney had to do was point to McMartin and their clients walked, guilty or not.

Now if Bob Hope has a history then I want names of accusers, I want to see those check-stubs where he paid for their silence. If you can't provide these then you have to wait until you can, or accept that it might not be true. Buying into Pedo-CT's is lazy. You think you're helping by spreading the word, but you're doing nothing. There are real pedophiles out there that you can actually stop by making sure your kids and their friends have the guts to follow through and report the crime. You can send letters and attend townhall meetings with your city, state, and federal representatives to make sure that law enforcement has all the resources they need to catch these people and put them away.

People spreading pedophile CT's are part of the problem.
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So we are supposed to believe a report on vaccines almost a half century ago is applicable to today's vaccines? And it's a news report, not even a peer reviewed study, no less.
The video shows footage proving examples of how you have been deceived by govt officials running public health programs, vaccines in this case. Thats all.

A news report can contain footage of one of the officials admitting later that they continued vaccinations for some years while not disclosing that they (Division of Biologic Standards knew it contained a known carcinogen. Or that two of the doctors there got fired for saying they would not give an influenza vaccine to their own kids because the Division knew it was ineffective.


Mostly the video contains examples of how those in charge of vaccination programs lie about it. In that sense, its nothing new. Just uncovering and video-documenting more examples of govt lies about public health programs.

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The video shows footage proving examples of how you have been deceived by govt officials running public health programs, vaccines in this case. Thats all.

A news report can contain footage of one of the officials admitting later that they continued vaccinations for some years while not disclosing that they (Division of Biologic Standards knew it contained a known carcinogen. Or that two of the doctors there got fired for saying they would not give an influenza vaccine to their own kids because the Division knew it was ineffective.


Mostly the video contains examples of how those in charge of vaccination programs lie about it. In that sense, its nothing new. Just uncovering and video-documenting more examples of govt lies about public health programs.
You know that vaccination works, and has transformed human life expectancy, don't you? You know that smallpox, whooping cough, polio and so on were a blight on generations, killing and maiming millions around the world, don't you? You know that to say otherwise is lying, don't you?

You see, Bubba, you've fallen for the lies of the lunatics in the anti-vaxxing movement, and can't critically examine either their claims, or the actual verifiable figures of those saved from dreadful diseases by vaccination.....yet you claim to be able to spot government "lies" from miles away. Your intellectual position looks ridiculous.
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What's the carcinogen?
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What's the carcinogen?
Sooper sekrit bad stuff.
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What's the carcinogen?
I don't watch Bubba's videos, but my guess is SV40, the same one he started a thread about last week.
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I don't have practical experience of this child abuse matter and I agree that it's necessary to separate fact from fiction. It's just that I'm convinced there are more offences against children than ever reach the courts. Like prostitution, all the police can do is prevent it from becoming a public scandal. Their priority seems to be drugs and terrorists. There are different ages of consent in various countries. I agree that the mainstream media is hamstrung by the libel laws, and allegations against prominent people seem to surface after they are dead.

Things may be different in America but there have been rumors for decades in Private Eye magazine in the UK about child sex ring scandals in orphanages in Wales and Jersey and Scotland and Northern Ireland and Rotherham sometimes involving MI5 and people in high places.

I agree also that the McMartin scandal seemed to fizzle out, though personally I don't think there is smoke without fire. There was a nasty case in my own city of an Iranian refugee who was brutally murdered after being suspected of being a pedophile without a shred of evidence. One police detective was jailed for his poor investigation and others disciplined.

The rock star Gary Glitter has been jailed in the past and some Welsh rock star who I've never heard of for inappropriate behaviour towards a baby girl. There has been a scandal in which football coaches have been involved in molestation towards young players which is only now coming to light. There is now some huge and expensive inquiry in the UK which is mired in controversy involving all kinds of pedophiles. The main complaint of the victims is that they are not believed and they are accused of being mentally ill and they don't have expensive counsel.

I just think if American presidents have been pedophiles and people like Edward Heath in the UK then the public should not be ill informed and they should not have immunity from prosecution.
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There used to be a famous comedy actor in the UK called Arthur Mullard who became involved in this pedophile business. From a Wikipedia:

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In 1996, the Sunday Mirror reported that a This Is Your Life special about Mullard was planned, until producers contacted his eldest son and discovered Mullard's history of extreme domestic violence, and years of sexual abuse against his daughter, starting when she was 13.
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