ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » General Skepticism and The Paranormal
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags General Skepticism humor , logical fallacies , pedophilia conspiracies

Reply
Old 23rd September 2017, 08:37 AM   #121
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
 
abaddon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 16,451
From the video...

Lie 1: The 1971 flu vaccine was considered ineffective (depends what strains it was made for and what strains were prevalent in 1971) therefore all vaccines are inneffective.

Lie 2: More or less a repeat of lie one with the added claim that said flu vaccine had a carcinogen in it. It was the adenovirus vaccine and it was contaminated. The same vaccine is still in use today.

Lie 3: Polio vaccine causes cancer. They pan across several contemporaneous newspaper clippings, mostly along the theme that some cancer may be cause by viruses not vaccines. Either these morons are illiterate or plain flat out dishonest.

Oh, and SV40 !!!!eleventy!!!

Appeal to emotion: "Wont somebody think of the children?"

Correlation/causation mix-up: 1 in two Americans will develop cancer. Must be vaccines, ignore longevity and other causes.

Back to flu vaccines: Whistle blower scientists are transferred, fired or otherwise suppressed.

Sins of omission: No scientist named, no papers cited, no consideration to diseases prevented, no statistical anything at all, nothing of substance.

In short, the video is utter bollocks.
__________________
Who is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard drive?
abaddon is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 08:39 AM   #122
Henri McPhee
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,820
There was rather a sad case of this pedophile business involving the war hero Field Marshal Sir William Slim who was given the job of Governor General of Australia after the war. From a Wikipedia:

Quote:
Allegations of child sexual abuse[edit]

During his tenure as Governor-General of Australia, Slim was patron of the Fairbridge Farm child migration to Australia, which has been subject to scrutiny in recent years both in the United Kingdom and Australia. Since 2007, three former child migrants allege Slim sexually assaulted them during visits to the farms.[75]

These allegations were dismissed out of hand at that time by those who had served under Slim in the army and by his son John Slim, 2nd Viscount Slim.[76]

The allegations were aired again on ABC television in the programme The Long Journey Home, broadcast on 17 November 2009.[77]

In 2014, the Daily Mail reported that an alleged victim was pursuing the matter in an Australian court and at the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse.[78]

On 27 February 2017, ABC aired another programme detailing the allegations against Slim and Fairbridge Farm, of which the Queen's uncle, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, was chairman. According to one estimate by a former pupil and journalist, David Hill, some 60 percent of children who went to Fairbridge were abused.[79]

Somehow or another, I was sat on his [Slim's] knee and, ah, um, these silky white hands were right up, because I was wearing shorts, right up my trousers and yeah, it was not, not very nice.
— Robert Stephens recounting a drive in Governor-General Slim's car, 2017
Henri McPhee is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 09:22 AM   #123
commandlinegamer
Philosopher
 
commandlinegamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Mazes of Menace
Posts: 8,547
Unfortunately, it's quite possible for a single individual of dubious reputation to spread all sorts of misinformation and to be taken seriously by a significant percentage of the population, cf Nigel Farage.
__________________
He bade me take any rug in the house.
commandlinegamer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 11:48 AM   #124
Axxman300
Graduate Poster
 
Axxman300's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 1,995
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I don't have practical experience of this child abuse matter and I agree that it's necessary to separate fact from fiction. It's just that I'm convinced there are more offences against children than ever reach the courts.
Yes, there are many crimes against children that never get reported, or prosecuted. The case against the man who molested me was one of them. This was 1975, a different world for sure, and they didn't feel the case was strong enough. Many victims never report at all out of fear or shame or both.


Quote:
Like prostitution, all the police can do is prevent it from becoming a public scandal.
Not in the US.

There are cops dedicated to smoking these guys out who are not even working in Vice - they're crusaders. Every department has one.


Quote:
There are different ages of consent in various countries.
Yup.


Quote:
I agree that the mainstream media is hamstrung by the libel laws, and allegations against prominent people seem to surface after they are dead.
It's not that they're hamstrung, they have a legal responsibility to get the facts right before they run a story. Sometimes they go the other way, or are split on a suspect. Micheal Jackson is an example where he is mostly celebrated today, but nobody has brought up his published FBI file that has information that never made headlines.

Quote:
Things may be different in America but there have been rumors for decades in Private Eye magazine in the UK about child sex ring scandals in orphanages in Wales and Jersey and Scotland and Northern Ireland and Rotherham sometimes involving MI5 and people in high places.
Rumors. Be careful of rumors. Always look first to the people starting them and advancing them.

Quote:
I agree also that the McMartin scandal seemed to fizzle out, though personally I don't think there is smoke without fire.
And this is the problem. There was no molestation, no smoke, no fire. Yet I hear this line of thinking when it comes to this case and it is not based on any fact whatsoever.

Quote:
The rock star Gary Glitter has been jailed in the past and some Welsh rock star who I've never heard of for inappropriate behaviour towards a baby girl. There has been a scandal in which football coaches have been involved in molestation towards young players which is only now coming to light.
Yes, all individual cases.

Quote:
I just think if American presidents have been pedophiles and people like Edward Heath in the UK then the public should not be ill informed and they should not have immunity from prosecution
No US President has been a pedophile. Again, look at the people making the allegations. In this case they have zero credibility and zero facts.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 11:49 AM   #125
WhatRoughBeast
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,224
So tell us, Bubba, what you think of the Muslim clerics in Nigeria who objected to polio vaccinations because they cause sterility?
WhatRoughBeast is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 11:54 AM   #126
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Some vaccines are great. Thats not the issue. The issue is trust. Trust in public health officials, doctors, policy etc. Trust was an issue at the time and it still is today.

A few bits from the video:

"Doctors at the Communicable Disease Ctr acknowledged the flu vaccine at recommended dosage is ineffective while in larger doses it can be harmful. However the flu vacc is still recommended for old people and the chronically ill."

(Sounds like its ineffective, take it anyway)


"Senate subcommittee headed by Sen Ribicoff charged the fed gov is not doing a good enough jobb informing the public about ineffective vaccines."

Four govt scientists at Div of Biologic Standards published their 1960s findings that the flu vaccine ineffective and refused to give it to their own families. Two were transferred and a third left the Division. Over the ten year period not a word of their findings was allowed to be published.

In the footage, Dr Frederick Murray of Division of Biologic Standards is seen justifying use of the vaccine which contained a contaminant known to cause cancer, saying it was more important to use the vaccines than to take it off the market and remove the agent. Since the agent couldnt be removed, there was no other course."

(SV40 was an accidental contaminant of vaccines produced in monkey kidney tissue cultures in the 1950s and early 1960s, including a parenteral adenovirus vaccine given to several hundred thousand US military recruits.)

"...for 3 years soldiers were injected with a cold preventing vaccine containing the contaminant which was causing cancer in Lab animals "Back then the media was better at informing the public on public health issues...

re the polio/cancer item, anyone who had both vaccines (tainted polio & flu) were at a higher cancer risk as the study found that was the case the two were combined.

Fast forward to today where some question what is in vaccines, and more importantly the trustworthiness of those running the programs.
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 12:30 PM   #127
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
 
abaddon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 16,451
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Some vaccines are great. Thats not the issue. The issue is trust. Trust in public health officials, doctors, policy etc. Trust was an issue at the time and it still is today.

A few bits from the video:

"Doctors at the Communicable Disease Ctr acknowledged the flu vaccine at recommended dosage is ineffective while in larger doses it can be harmful. However the flu vacc is still recommended for old people and the chronically ill."
Water is toxic and fatal in high doses. Should we avoid drinking water?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
(Sounds like its ineffective, take it anyway)
That is because you don't know how it works. The flu vaccine is changed every year on the basis of which variants of the flu virus are likely to be prevalent in any given year. Let's say that, oh six are assessed to be most likely. The vaccine will then protect against those six. If a seventh, eighth and ninth variants actually show up, then while the vaccine for that given year will remain effective against the first six, it will not against nrs 7, 8 and 9. Those taking the vaccine will be protected against #1 thru #6 but not #7 thru #9.

Those not taking the vaccine will be vulnerable to the lot of them.

I don't know why this is difficult to understand.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
"Senate subcommittee headed by Sen Ribicoff charged the fed gov is not doing a good enough jobb informing the public about ineffective vaccines."
Science is not determined by Senates, anywhere.Science has become just a little better over the 50 years that have elapsed since your cited video at determining which flu variants are likely in any given year.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Four govt scientists at Div of Biologic Standards published their 1960s findings that the flu vaccine ineffective and refused to give it to their own families. Two were transferred and a third left the Division. Over the ten year period not a word of their findings was allowed to be published.
Name them. That is just a claim from that dumb video that you are repeating.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
In the footage, Dr Frederick Murray of Division of Biologic Standards is seen justifying use of the vaccine which contained a contaminant known to cause cancer, saying it was more important to use the vaccines than to take it off the market and remove the agent. Since the agent couldnt be removed, there was no other course."

(SV40 was an accidental contaminant of vaccines produced in monkey kidney tissue cultures in the 1950s and early 1960s, including a parenteral adenovirus vaccine given to several hundred thousand US military recruits.)
Unevidenced claim.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
"...for 3 years soldiers were injected with a cold preventing vaccine containing the contaminant which was causing cancer in Lab animals "Back then the media was better at informing the public on public health issues...
Nope, back then sensationalist tabloid journalism was the same as it is now.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
re the polio/cancer item, anyone who had both vaccines (tainted polio & flu) were at a higher cancer risk as the study found that was the case the two were combined.
Correlation <> causation. And you haven't even demonstrated the correlation bit, let alone the causation part.

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Fast forward to today where some question what is in vaccines, and more importantly the trustworthiness of those running the programs.
Who IS running those programs? The "ebil gubmint"? Which one?
__________________
Who is General Failure? And why is he reading my hard drive?
abaddon is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 12:36 PM   #128
tinribmancer
Hasbarian NWO Templar Cattle
 
tinribmancer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Belgium
Posts: 1,403
Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Yes, there are many crimes against children that never get reported, or prosecuted. The case against the man who molested me was one of them. This was 1975, a different world for sure, and they didn't feel the case was strong enough. Many victims never report at all out of fear or shame or both.
...you were molested by a pedo? Oh, god...

Did this have an affect on your life in general? Most of the stories I've seen on TV always end in that the victim(s) are sexually scared or scared to have sex or scared to get emotionally involved with someone or even afraid to get touched, like hugging, by someone.
__________________
"Bravery Is Not A Function Of Firepower."

JC Denton

tinribmancer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 01:51 PM   #129
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8,575
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
... all the police can do is prevent it from becoming a public scandal.
That seems an odd thing to say. Why would the police want to do that?
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 04:06 PM   #130
Arisia
Muse
 
Arisia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: 26.2 from Boston
Posts: 999
Got my flu jab a couple days ago, dunno, I think I'll be fine.
Arisia is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 04:17 PM   #131
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
 
bruto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 21,467
Damn. If only I'd taken Bubba seriously I wouldn't be dead. Oh wait. (pinch pinch). Never mind.
__________________
Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding. (Samuel Johnson)

I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver)
bruto is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 23rd September 2017, 04:21 PM   #132
Axxman300
Graduate Poster
 
Axxman300's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 1,995
Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
...you were molested by a pedo? Oh, god...

Did this have an affect on your life in general? Most of the stories I've seen on TV always end in that the victim(s) are sexually scared or scared to have sex or scared to get emotionally involved with someone or even afraid to get touched, like hugging, by someone.
I had a pretty healthy sex-life in my 20's because I played guitar in a band, so sex wasn't an issue. Trust on the other hand keeps me single.

I'll walk you through it.

When it happened I didn't know what was going on, I just knew I didn't like it. Later on as I grew up and learned about life it was like a time-release punch in the stomach. I was lucky to have good psychological counseling in my teens which gave me the tools to cope, and put it behind me.

The key is acknowledging the damage done and working around it.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 12:29 AM   #133
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
 
Pixel42's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Malmesbury, UK
Posts: 9,501
Why on earth were you looking at that crackpot site in the first place, Bubba? There's zero chance of learning anything true or useful from it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? There are innumerable sites you could be looking at instead which would teach you stuff that's both true and useful.

Here are just a few that offer free online courses in lots of different subjects:

http://academicearth.org/

http://www.open.edu/openlearn/

https://www.futurelearn.com/

https://www.coursera.org/
__________________
"If you trust in yourself ... and believe in your dreams ... and follow your star ... you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things" - Terry Pratchett
Pixel42 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 04:04 AM   #134
sts60
Master Poster
 
sts60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,657
Normally, Bubba's passive-aggressive JAQing exercises are merely a little funny, as he mindlessly regurgitates yet another idiot conspiracist site or video and pretends that this time he's just honestly interested, not all-in credulous and willfully gullible and determinedly ignorant.

Normally.
sts60 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 09:14 AM   #135
Henri McPhee
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,820
Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
That seems an odd thing to say. Why would the police want to do that?
There is a bit about this matter in a book called English Justice by a solicitor published in 1932, and which I think also applies to child prostitution:

Quote:
There are a great number of offences which are not regarded as involving moral turpitude. Among these offences are some which concern large financial interests...... There is also in London and some other large cities the problem of prostitution, which is of necessity largely tolerated by the police, though this fact is seldom admitted. The police can suppress any individual prostitute, though not prostitution itself.
There are some horrific websites about child abuse corruption in Australia in the past involving many people in high places which I agree needs some real proof and evidence. There is also this latest Pizzagate scandal in America. Websites about that Pizzagate seem to be rapidly vanishing and are now not accessible.

We don't know if any American presidents were pedophiles. They are hardly likely to admit it, and with their possible pedophile pals like Warren Buffett and George Soros they make billions from the taxpayer in a banking crisis and they control the mainstream media. They also have a rather dangerous policy to my mind of depopulating the earth.

There is a sensible website about the matter at :

http://yournewswire.com/trump-pedoph...investigation/
Henri McPhee is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 09:36 AM   #136
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is a sensible website about the matter at :

http://yournewswire.com/trump-pedoph...investigation/
I think you must have linked to the wrong website by mistake. That's not sensible, it's a fake news site with a misleading headline that inaccurately describes the video beneath it. It did teach me that Cynthia McKinney is a Trump supporter though, so there's that.
Here's a sensible site discussing the Pizzagate business.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 09:47 AM   #137
Craig B
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 21,096
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
We don't know if any American presidents were pedophiles. They are hardly likely to admit it, and with their possible pedophile pals like Warren Buffett and George Soros they make billions from the taxpayer in a banking crisis and they control the mainstream media. They also have a rather dangerous policy to my mind of depopulating the earth.

There is a sensible website about the matter at :

http://yournewswire.com/trump-pedoph...investigation/
Your text cited above is not sensible. It is paranoid CT nonsense. Who's missing from your list of people who make billions and control the media? Rothschild of course. All the best world conquering conspiracies are led by the Rothschilds. Your "sensible" website fills the void
Lord Jacob Rothschild has boasted that the New World Order will have full control over humanity by the year 2018.

An issue of the Rothschild controlled Economist magazine published in 1988 openly told its readers that a world currency would be in place by 2018.
Now we need to know if he's a "possible pedophile" like Buffet and Soros. What do you say?
Craig B is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 10:53 AM   #138
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan

Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?

Doesnt look like nature's work. Burial mound, maybe.

http://ryanwunsch.com/mystery-rocks-saskatchewan/
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 10:54 AM   #139
Axxman300
Graduate Poster
 
Axxman300's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 1,995
Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is also this latest Pizzagate scandal in America. Websites about that Pizzagate seem to be rapidly vanishing and are now not accessible.
Pizzagate was a calculated fabrication spread by neo-Nazis.

There is already a thread dedicated to this lie. In that thread I posted a link to all of Podesta's emails, and they contained NOTHING about child sex.

The websites are vanishing because some moron who believed the CT walked into the pizza parlor with an AR-15 and fired a round.

I'm be blunt, don't use my victimization, and the victimization of others to advance your paranoia - you're making everything worse. Pizzagate is a lie, a confirmed lie.


Quote:
We don't know if any American presidents were pedophiles.
Actually we do, none of them were.

Quote:
They are hardly likely to admit it, and with their possible pedophile pals like Warren Buffett and George Soros they make billions from the taxpayer in a banking crisis and they control the mainstream media.
Proof?

Quote:
They also have a rather dangerous policy to my mind of depopulating the earth.
And there it is.

How dare you hide behind victims of pedophilia to advance your personal delusions.

Ethically there is no difference between people like you and the pedophiles that your lunacy ends up advancing in the end.

Get help.
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha
Axxman300 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 10:56 AM   #140
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Why on earth were you looking at that crackpot site in the first place, Bubba? There's zero chance of learning anything true or useful from it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? There are innumerable sites you could be looking at instead which would teach you stuff that's both true and useful.

Here are just a few that offer free online courses in lots of different subjects:

http://academicearth.org/

http://www.open.edu/openlearn/

https://www.futurelearn.com/

https://www.coursera.org/

Thank You !
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 10:58 AM   #141
MikeG
Now. Do it now.
 
MikeG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 19,788
Karst, perhaps. If it is man-made, it is trivially easy for even the most primitive to arrange stones like that, then natural weathering completes the scene.
__________________
The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place. The Don That's what we've sunk to here.
MikeG is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:12 AM   #142
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
As a victim of molestation when I was a kid, I'm not going to pretend to be nice about this. ...

Sorry it happened to you, and good it turned out better in your case than for some others
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:18 AM   #143
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Quote:
H McPhee saidQuote:
We don't know if any American presidents were pedophiles.

Quote:
Axxmn300 said:

Actually we do, none of them were.
I'm not certain it is possible to know that no person is/was a pedo.

It is absolutely possible that any person including a president just never got caught in the act of stealing pens or hurting goldfish, or worse.
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:26 AM   #144
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwet
Posts: 13,312
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?
Pedophiles from Europe and Hollywood.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:34 AM   #145
fagin
Illuminator
 
fagin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: As far away from casebro as possible.
Posts: 4,664
Trainees giants?

Trainee giants?
__________________
There is no secret ingredient - Kung Fu Panda
fagin is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:36 AM   #146
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
We are told Putin threatened to name names of elite pedo rings if Trump does not do it.

Now we have news wire saying Trump is doing so. We are also told former Seal Craig Sawyer is getting results.
Veterans vs pedos:

https://www.vets4childrescue.org/

He speaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1ibQV_Gjk
.

>
Maybe "60 minutes" or some similar major media outlet has already covered what is known and what is asserted?


Still I'd not be surprised if privilege and power continues to protect its own even as the tide changes and more comes to light and justice.

Last edited by Bubba; 24th September 2017 at 11:38 AM.
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:42 AM   #147
Cainkane1
Philosopher
 
Cainkane1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: The great American southeast
Posts: 8,399
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?

Doesnt look like nature's work. Burial mound, maybe.

http://ryanwunsch.com/mystery-rocks-saskatchewan/
It could be religious or some body is buried under those stones. Who knows?
__________________
If at first you don't succeed try try again. Then if you fail to succeed to Hell with that. Try something else.
Cainkane1 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 11:54 AM   #148
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
We are told Putin threatened to name names of elite pedo rings if Trump does not do it.

Now we have news wire saying Trump is doing so. We are also told former Seal Craig Sawyer is getting results.
Veterans vs pedos:

https://www.vets4childrescue.org/

He speaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1ibQV_Gjk
.

>
Maybe "60 minutes" or some similar major media outlet has already covered what is known and what is asserted?


Still I'd not be surprised if privilege and power continues to protect its own even as the tide changes and more comes to light and justice.
Which elites has Craig Sawyer exposed as rapists/murderers of children? Has he produced evidence demonstrating that they are part of a network of elites? Has he shown that they are protected from prosecution by virtue of their elite status?
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 12:39 PM   #149
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Originally Posted by Civet View Post
Which elites has Craig Sawyer exposed as rapists/murderers of children? Has he produced evidence demonstrating that they are part of a network of elites? Has he shown that they are protected from prosecution by virtue of their elite status?

No results reported/confirmed. Thats part of the problem.

I dont know, maybe he is a stealth operator not credited publicly ie he and his team work behind scenes supporting law enforcement agencies.

Here is a political opinion site
linking to several news reports of trafficking busts, while crediting Trump, and discrediting MSM. Was Craig Sawyer involved in any of these? Who knows?

Are any of those busts related to elite pedo rings?

Last edited by Bubba; 24th September 2017 at 12:43 PM.
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:07 PM   #150
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles
 
Dave Rogers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD
Posts: 24,811
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?
Me. I admit the whole thing. I was a student, I was out with some friends, we started piling up some stones, we'd had too much to drink and it all got out of hand. I know it doesn't excuse it, but I promise not to do it again.

Dave
__________________
Me: So what you're saying is that, if the load carrying ability of the lower structure is reduced to the point where it can no longer support the load above it, it will collapse without a jolt, right?

Tony Szamboti: That is right
Dave Rogers is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:10 PM   #151
Pacal
Muse
 
Pacal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Toronto
Posts: 848
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
I'm not certain it is possible to know that no person is/was a pedo.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Pacal is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:10 PM   #152
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
No results reported/confirmed. Thats part of the problem.

I dont know, maybe he is a stealth operator not credited publicly ie he and his team work behind scenes supporting law enforcement agencies.

Here is a political opinion site
linking to several news reports of trafficking busts, while crediting Trump, and discrediting MSM. Was Craig Sawyer involved in any of these? Who knows?

Are any of those busts related to elite pedo rings?
Sawyer seems like a relentless self-promoter (nothing wrong with that) so I doubt he'd be shy about taking credit if he was involved.
I doubt that any of the recent trafficking busts have anything to do with any network of elites. If so, why would Trump fail to discuss this? I strongly suspect that President Trump is neither shy nor subtle in his communications. For that matter, I've never seen Trump talk about the involvement of elites when he discusses pedophile rings.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:17 PM   #153
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Originally Posted by Pacal View Post
When did you stop beating your wife?
Exactly
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:21 PM   #154
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 26,024
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
I dont know, maybe he is a stealth operator not credited publicly ie he and his team work behind scenes supporting law enforcement agencies.

Here is a political opinion site
linking to several news reports of trafficking busts, while crediting Trump, and discrediting MSM. Was Craig Sawyer involved in any of these? Who knows?

Are any of those busts related to elite pedo rings?


Did you bother to actually read any of the reports cited on that page?

Because they might just answer that.

I read the first link, and this is what they reported:


Quote:
During the three-day operation, undercover Agents posted four ads a day on Backpage.com, for about 7 hours a day. Approximately 475 different men responded to those ads posted. More than 8,779 contacts were made to those ads, through texts or phone calls. In some ads, undercover Agents posed as a juvenile girl. Eight men responded, and paid to have sex with an underage female. Two of those specifically paid money to have sex with 14-year-old girls. Two juvenile female victims of trafficking were recovered and referred to the Department of Children’s Services.

So, out of 475 random men, (probably not "elites"), only 8 actually followed through once they found out that this was supposedly a 14 year old.

So not really great evidence for there being massive pedophile rings among the political elite.

The closest they came to "an elite" was:

Quote:
Among the arrests was Memphis Area Transit Authority CEO Ron Garrison. He was accused of soliciting sex from an adult and charged with a patronizing prostitution near a church or school. It is a misdemeanor offense.

So, the guy in charge of buses was caught looking for adult women.

And that's the biggest fish they caught.

So I'm not going to bother with the rest if this is representative of their evidence.


Also, as an aside, this alleged "Trump is awesome" story was published Jan 27, 2017, which means the investigation might have started just before, or just barely after Trump took office, and these partisan hacks are giving him credit he doesn't deserve, even before you consider that this was a local police effort, not a Federal one. It's also published by the local mainstream news organization, and if you Google "Operation Someone Like Me", you find several other MSM outlets that reported it, which again brings the CT claims into disrepute.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:44 PM   #155
Bubba
Master Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,348
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Did you bother to actually read any of the reports cited on that page?

Because they might just answer that.

I read the first link, and this is what they reported:





So, out of 475 random men, (probably not "elites"), only 8 actually followed through once they found out that this was supposedly a 14 year old.

So not really great evidence for there being massive pedophile rings among the political elite.

The closest they came to "an elite" was:




So, the guy in charge of buses was caught looking for adult women.

And that's the biggest fish they caught.

So I'm not going to bother with the rest if this is representative of their evidence.


Also, as an aside, this alleged "Trump is awesome" story was published Jan 27, 2017, which means the investigation might have started just before, or just barely after Trump took office, and these partisan hacks are giving him credit he doesn't deserve, even before you consider that this was a local police effort, not a Federal one. It's also published by the local mainstream news organization, and if you Google "Operation Someone Like Me", you find several other MSM outlets that reported it, which again brings the CT claims into disrepute.

Agreed.


Have you found that pedos do not interact ie share resources across networks?

Should we rule out the possibility that elites are supplied by others?

I would agree if you assert that police casting nets in certain waters are likely going to catch every kind of fish swimming there.

Last edited by Bubba; 24th September 2017 at 01:47 PM.
Bubba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 01:46 PM   #156
GlennB
In search of pi(e)
 
GlennB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pie City, Arcadia
Posts: 21,036
Alien prank. It was a pyramid and aliens nicked 3 sides of it, so the rest fell over.
__________________
"Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 9/11 truth is a clock with no hands." - Beachnut
GlennB is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 02:10 PM   #157
Sideroxylon
Featherless biped
 
Sideroxylon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Aporia
Posts: 18,093
I can see that sort of weathering in the rock around the coast here. Large areas and very straight lines. Just another example of self organisation. You have seen clay puddles dry and all the straight lines that produces as the mud dries. Order arising bottom up from chaos is all around us.
__________________
'The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool.' - Richard Feynman
Sideroxylon is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 02:40 PM   #158
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 20,305
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
On their homepage it appears that Aaron and Melissa Dykes ...
are cranks with anti-vaccine propaganda because vaccines have been shown to be effective since at least 1700.

Last edited by Reality Check; 24th September 2017 at 02:54 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 02:43 PM   #159
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 20,305
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
The video shows footage ....
This is unthinking parroting of conspiracy theories form the crank Aaron and Melissa Dykes web site
Quote:
TruthStreamMedia is a "news" website run by Aaron and Melissa Dykes. It promotes both conspiracy theories and pseudoscience, such as "bioengineering" vaccines[1] and "eugenicist" water.[2] They also seem to think that mind control is real[3], and other general ********.

Aaron Dykes was the cinematographer for the Alex Jones-directed film, TerrorStorm: A History of Government-Sponsored Terrorism (2006).[4]
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 24th September 2017, 02:45 PM   #160
Civet
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Should we rule out the possibility that elites are supplied by others?
Doesn't work like that. Almost anything under the sun is a possibility. People making the claim that this is a reality need to start providing evidence of it. No one disputes that pedophiles exist or that they sometimes interact with one another. Some of them make good incomes or work in leadership positions in the public and private sectors. But a network of elite pedophiles being protected from exposure and prosecution? I need some heavy evidence of that. I'm familiar with the Jimmy Savile stuff but that did get exposed and led to some criminal convictions.
Civet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » General Skepticism and The Paranormal

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:32 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2014, TribeTech AB. All Rights Reserved.
This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.