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Old 25th September 2017, 07:08 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
maybe they rode with the vikings
I don't think the Romans ever got that far north.

But if they ever got to Ireland, they may have tagged along with St. Brendan.
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Old 25th September 2017, 09:52 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by ddt View Post
It's a Roman road.

In your next thread, you should explore how the Romans ever got to Canada.
They went with the Jews. See the Book of Mormon.
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Old 26th September 2017, 02:20 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There are strong suspicions that American Presidents have been pedophiles...

There are also strong suspicions that vaccines cause autism, man never landed on the moon and that the earth is flat.

I think it's wise to look at who's being strongly suspicious and, more to the point, what evidence there is for these suspicions beyond the hopelessly useless 'He denied it, therefore it must be true' that seems to be your stock-in-trade.
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Old 26th September 2017, 03:22 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Here you go:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/q...changing-vgtrn

Here he boasted:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7357866.html

He has referred to his daughter Ivanka as a "great piece of A**".
Thanks. I do remember the Ivanka thing. I also remember what he said on that talkshow (think it was a talkshow) that he would do Ivanka if it wasn't his daughter (they showed this on the news last year)...
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Old 26th September 2017, 03:33 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The Ramsey case boils down to a handful of suspects: The mother, a security guard at the father's office, and maybe the brother.

The McCann case happened at a resort in a country where the cops are sub par.

In both cases nobody knows what happened beyond a murder and a kidnapping. Everything else is speculation.

Name one.
That's just your opinion. It's patently untrue and a load of bollocks. It's you who needs help. It seems you have been damaged by your child abuse experiences.

I'll name one. President Bush. They don't like publicity about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFCGdwGaLk

There is now more and more evidence that Edward Heath in the UK was a pedophile. There was an article about it in last Sunday's Mail on Sunday newspaper.
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Old 26th September 2017, 03:40 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
... Personally I think all this is connected to the murder of JonBenet Ramsey and the abduction of Madeleine McCann in Portugal...
Can you be any less vague about what exactly you mean by "all this"? What imagined controlling hand do you believe connects the killing of an American girl in the 1990s with the disappearance of a British girl in Portugal more than a decade later?

Have you considered that you might have been watching too many movies?
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Old 26th September 2017, 03:46 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is now more and more evidence that Edward Heath in the UK was a pedophile. There was an article about it in last Sunday's Mail on Sunday newspaper.
That is ribticklingly funny.

There's more evidence of a scary conspiracy.
Where did you find this evidence?
There's an article in the Mail.

I need a lie down and a cup of tea after that.
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Old 26th September 2017, 03:46 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
They don't like publicity about it.
How strong an indicator of guilt do you think that is?

What's your rationale? That the innocent have nothing to fear, so why would they object to people trying to link them to paedophilia?
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Old 26th September 2017, 06:00 AM   #209
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Wasn't there a thread in the past about rocks that someone claimed were actually dragon scales?

Here are some more pillars - actually quite common. And this one has a road through it!

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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post

There is now more and more evidence that Edward Heath in the UK was a pedophile. There was an article about it in last Sunday's Mail on Sunday newspaper.
Which puts it on the same standing as a Richard Littlejohn column?

Lets note some key facts:
1) The inquiry made the news in recent days, not because of shocking new evidence, but because the officer in charge of the investigation admitted it was a mistake to announce the investigation on Heath's front door.

2) The Daily Mail itself reported that Operation Conifer was a "complete waste of time" in August.

3) The Daily Mail itself reported in March that the investigation was to be closed down, with no worthwhile results, costing too much money.

These are all headlines easy to find on the Mail Online.

4) The Mail itself should probably not be casting stones. Despite its outraged headlines, the Mail and Mail Online are well known for their Sidebar Of Shame, and the Private Eye has been covering their willingness to comment on the young and pretty, for years (coverage of Emma Watson and Charlotte Church spring to mind as notorious picture headlines).
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Originally Posted by Tomtomkent View Post
Which puts it on the same standing as a Richard Littlejohn column?

Lets note some key facts:
1) The inquiry made the news in recent days, not because of shocking new evidence, but because the officer in charge of the investigation admitted it was a mistake to announce the investigation on Heath's front door.

2) The Daily Mail itself reported that Operation Conifer was a "complete waste of time" in August.

3) The Daily Mail itself reported in March that the investigation was to be closed down, with no worthwhile results, costing too much money.

These are all headlines easy to find on the Mail Online.

4) The Mail itself should probably not be casting stones. Despite its outraged headlines, the Mail and Mail Online are well known for their Sidebar Of Shame, and the Private Eye has been covering their willingness to comment on the young and pretty, for years (coverage of Emma Watson and Charlotte Church spring to mind as notorious picture headlines).
Yes, the Daily Fail wrings it's prurient hands over the sexualisation of youth while at the same time sexualising youth.

Back to topic, at least one of Ted Heaths false accusers seems to be heading for prosecution.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ophile-claims/
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Old 26th September 2017, 08:25 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
That's just your opinion. It's patently untrue and a load of bollocks. It's you who needs help. It seems you have been damaged by your child abuse experiences.

I'll name one. President Bush. They don't like publicity about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFCGdwGaLk

There is now more and more evidence that Edward Heath in the UK was a pedophile. There was an article about it in last Sunday's Mail on Sunday newspaper.
I haven't seen anyone trot out Cathy O'Brien in a long time. What makes you believe her claims?
What evidence is there against Edward Heath?
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Originally Posted by Craig B View Post
That is ribticklingly funny.

There's more evidence of a scary conspiracy.
Where did you find this evidence?
There's an article in the Mail.

I need a lie down and a cup of tea after that.
It's no good being absurdly credulous about this matter. There was an article about Edward Heath in the Sunday Mail last Sunday. This is how it starts:

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Child abuse claims made against Sir Edward Heath by seven of his alleged victims are serious enough that police would have questioned him under caution if he were still alive............
There was an earlier article about the matter in a Daily Mail article on 18 February 2017:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ice-chief.html
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
It's no good being absurdly credulous about this matter. There was an article about Edward Heath in the Sunday Mail last Sunday. This is how it starts:



There was an earlier article about the matter in a Daily Mail article on 18 February 2017:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ice-chief.html
And here is a more recent article from the Daily Fail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tic-waste.html
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
That's just your opinion. It's patently untrue and a load of bollocks. It's you who needs help. It seems you have been damaged by your child abuse experiences.

I'll name one. President Bush. They don't like publicity about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFCGdwGaLk

There is now more and more evidence that Edward Heath in the UK was a pedophile. There was an article about it in last Sunday's Mail on Sunday newspaper.
you do know that even wikipedia don't believe the mail, don't you?

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ce-for-website
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And here again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-appeal.html

The Daily Fail seems to have a split personality.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
And here again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-appeal.html

The Daily Fail seems to have a split personality.

No, it's just very aware of its target audience and that those to whom it is preaching hate have no trouble with, or even concept of, cognitive dissonance.
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A nice article about the Crazy Mail:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

Holy ****, they're Anti-everything!
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No, it's just very aware of its target audience and that those to whom it is preaching hate have no trouble with, or even concept of, cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, it's funny to observe how the cost of the wasted, pointless "investigation" gets inflated by the DM. £1m, £1.5m, £2m, which is it? At the same time, the DM claims the unfounded accusations as fact and a reason that any amount of money should be flung at it.

Not to mention that the fantasist "Nick" has his head on the chopping block and Veale will have no qualms about throwing that guy under the bus to save his own skin.

As if this were not bad enough, we are treated to the claim that "yournewswire" is some kind of reliable source. Who buys into that pit of nonsense?
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So are pedophiles in power or not?
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So are pedophiles in power or not?
Yes and no. Sometimes maybe.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?

Doesnt look like nature's work. Burial mound, maybe.

http://ryanwunsch.com/mystery-rocks-saskatchewan/
That is nature's work, not done by man. This is sandstone and was once an ancient riverbed. Most of the erosion here was done by the rushing water, with the most obvious being the near-perfect cylinder holes. Some erosion happened after it was no longer a riverbed and became exposed on the surface as we see now. This would be accomplished now by rain and wind.

It looks man-made with design but it isn't. Everything there is explained by natural erosion of an an ancient quartz sediment (sandstone) plateau.
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That is nature's work, not done by man. This is sandstone and was once an ancient riverbed. Most of the erosion here was done by the rushing water, with the most obvious being the near-perfect cylinder holes. Some erosion happened after it was no longer a riverbed and became exposed on the surface as we see now. This would be accomplished now by rain and wind.

It looks man-made with design but it isn't. Everything there is explained by natural erosion of an an ancient quartz sediment (sandstone) plateau.
I suggested limestone. Someone else said granite. You say sandstone. Is there any way of checking? Is there a publicly available geological survey map of the area?
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Man, if I was a pedophile, AND I ruled the world, I would change the rules so paedophilia wasn't, you know, illegal...
Then where's the fun?

That's why the elites like to leave coded symbols everywhere - it's more fun if it's illegal and you can get a second set of jollies when the sheeple can't decode the clues hidden in plain sight.
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That's just your opinion. It's patently untrue and a load of bollocks. It's you who needs help. It seems you have been damaged by your child abuse experiences.
And yet YOU are the one helping to enable real pedophiles by spreading nonsense which pollutes jury pools in future molestation cases.

You are the one making this evil a continued reality, not in your fancy CT/world Pedo-Rings of the rich and powerful, but on the real streets where real predators do their thing.

The crap you spread is the reason nobody believes most victims.

There is a reverse maxim to the CT mind-set of "If A & B are true then X,Y & Z must also be true", and it is "If A&B are confirmed lies then X,Y, & Z are also lies." The problem with both is that they are intellectually lazy. Just because A&B are true or false doesn't mean you don't do due diligence when looking at X,Y, & Z.

Most people are lazy, and after dozens of molestation cases which turn out to be fabricated for ulterior motives society turns a deaf ear. We saw this in the 90's with the "Recovered Memory" nonsense that put hundreds of innocent people behind bars.

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YouTube is not fact or credible.
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Then where's the fun?

That's why the elites like to leave coded symbols everywhere - it's more fun if it's illegal and you can get a second set of jollies when the sheeple can't decode the clues hidden in plain sight.
This sound WAY too much like kyoon's Illuminati...
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This sound WAY too much like kyoon's Illuminati...
Kyoon isn't the only one - AJ works that angle too.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
And yet YOU are the one helping to enable real pedophiles by spreading nonsense which pollutes jury pools in future molestation cases.

You are the one making this evil a continued reality, not in your fancy CT/world Pedo-Rings of the rich and powerful, but on the real streets where real predators do their thing.

The crap you spread is the reason nobody believes most victims.

There is a reverse maxim to the CT mind-set of "If A & B are true then X,Y & Z must also be true", and it is "If A&B are confirmed lies then X,Y, & Z are also lies." The problem with both is that they are intellectually lazy. Just because A&B are true or false doesn't mean you don't do due diligence when looking at X,Y, & Z.

Most people are lazy, and after dozens of molestation cases which turn out to be fabricated for ulterior motives society turns a deaf ear. We saw this in the 90's with the "Recovered Memory" nonsense that put hundreds of innocent people behind bars.



YouTube is not fact or credible.
That doesn't matter to the poster you're addressing.
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Why are conspiracy theorists so utterly OBSESSED with finding pedophilia everywhere? I swear, as a concept, it shows up more than scary Jews. And always in the context of "rings."

I am well aware there are pedophiles all over the place in the real world, but these obsessive, constant theories are just creepy to me. People need to get off the net more!

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There is one possible explanation.

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... Most of the erosion here was done by the rushing water, with the most obvious being the near-perfect cylinder holes. Some erosion happened after it was no longer a riverbed and became exposed on the surface as we see now. This would be accomplished now by rain and wind.

My first thought was those are grinding holes.
They're everywhere, though that group would represent very light use.
(There's a wicked cool large group near Jackson, CA. Maybe Travis has seen it. )


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This sound WAY too much like kyoon's Illuminati...
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Kyoon isn't the only one - AJ works that angle too.

It's quite common among the CT crowd. While they themselves deny that they believe in magic, they insist that everyone in the Elite/Illuminati/NWO/Whoever do believe in magic, and that such public displays of occult symbology are a part of their rituals.

Of course, it never occurs to the CT crown to wonder why "they" keep doing "magic" if magic isn't real.
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Old 27th September 2017, 01:46 AM   #233
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
It's no good being absurdly credulous about this matter. There was an article about Edward Heath in the Sunday Mail last Sunday. [/url]
Look at what you wrote!



"I'm not absurdly credulous. I trust what I read in the Mail on Sunday!"

Wonderful.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?

Doesnt look like nature's work
. Burial mound, maybe.

http://ryanwunsch.com/mystery-rocks-saskatchewan/
Bubba, I would be interested to know how you arrived at this conclusion.
Is it based on your own expertise in either geology or archaeology?
Did you consult a geologist or an archaeologist?
Have you visited the site yourself?
Given the debate here about what kind of stone this is, have you determined this yourself, and if so, how?
Finally:
Can you guess why I'm asking these questions?
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Old 27th September 2017, 02:58 AM   #235
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
It's quite common among the CT crowd. While they themselves deny that they believe in magic, they insist that everyone in the Elite/Illuminati/NWO/Whoever do believe in magic, and that such public displays of occult symbology are a part of their rituals.

Of course, it never occurs to the CT crown to wonder why "they" keep doing "magic" if magic isn't real.
It doesn't matter if the CT believes in magic or not. The claim is that the illuminutty do regardless of whether it works or not or the CT believes in it or not.
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Old 27th September 2017, 03:14 AM   #236
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Look at what you wrote!



"I'm not absurdly credulous. I trust what I read in the Mail on Sunday!"

Wonderful.
The Mail on Sunday does some good investigative journalism and it has explained in the past why the UK charity business is the fifth largest business in the UK and why Puerto Rica is now sadly short of roof repairers and dam repairers and why charities have remuneration committees, and why their executives live in luxury houses. This is more from that Mail on Sunday article:

Quote:
According to Whitehall sources Mr Veale's report will say seven of the alleged victims are 'credible' and describe the same pattern of behaviour by their 'abuser'. A Government source said an 'interview under caution' is in effect, the strongest action that Mr Veale could recommend with regard to Sir Edward.
Part of the trouble is that the victims don't usually come from the articulate classes. They are even in some cases semi-literate. The police just regard them as fruitloops, and child prostitution, particularly in the upper classes, is not part of routine police work.

I fully appreciate that there are false allegations with regard to rape but that's where you need an impartial judge and jury. If all this categorically denying everything goes on there is going to be a Jimmy Savile was innocent campaign.
There have been rumours that female mental patients were sexually abused in the past but without mobile phone footage it was difficult to prove. In the 19th century workhouse inmates were cheated out of their food rations but it was categorically denied at the time because the inmates lacked expensive counsel.

The eminent advocate Norman Birkett had a bit to say about this sort of thing with regard to Charles Dickens:

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He'd got a knowledge of life, and of the poor, the life of the poor, of all sorts of and conditions of men, and he had what I sometimes call, though I can never quite define it, he had the "common touch".

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How many actual pedophiles are there, realistically?
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
There is a reverse maxim to the CT mind-set of "If A & B are true then X,Y & Z must also be true", and it is "If A&B are confirmed lies then X,Y, & Z are also lies." The problem with both is that they are intellectually lazy. Just because A&B are true or false doesn't mean you don't do due diligence when looking at X,Y, & Z.
This point came to mind when minutes later I read this:
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The Mail on Sunday does some good investigative journalism...
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
This point came to mind when minutes later I read this:
I just checked their site and I bumped against some odd articles...
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The Mail on Sunday does some good investigative journalism and it has explained in the past why the UK charity business is the fifth largest business in the UK and why Puerto Rica is now sadly short of roof repairers and dam repairers and why charities have remuneration committees, and why their executives live in luxury houses. This is more from that Mail on Sunday article:



Part of the trouble is that the victims don't usually come from the articulate classes. They are even in some cases semi-literate. The police just regard them as fruitloops, and child prostitution, particularly in the upper classes, is not part of routine police work.

I fully appreciate that there are false allegations with regard to rape but that's where you need an impartial judge and jury. If all this categorically denying everything goes on there is going to be a Jimmy Savile was innocent campaign.
There have been rumours that female mental patients were sexually abused in the past but without mobile phone footage it was difficult to prove. In the 19th century workhouse inmates were cheated out of their food rations but it was categorically denied at the time because the inmates lacked expensive counsel.

The eminent advocate Norman Birkett had a bit to say about this sort of thing with regard to Charles Dickens:
The Mail also called the investigation a waste of time.
The Mail also has a long history of objectifying young women, in the sidebar of shame.
The Mail also had Richard Littlejohn, as a columnist, who complained for many years about Winterval, Health and Saftey Gone Mad, and scare stories about moving border controls, without ever troubling his column with facts.
The Mail also tried to divide every known object into those that cause, or prevent, cancer, with many objects in both groups.
The Mail also sad “Huzzah for the Blackshirts”.

None of this is relevant to the article you posted, or it’s accuracy, or more importantly your interpretation.

There was a two year investigation. It found no evidence. Everything you want to believe has been well covered by many papers, and I think there is a fair chance that s Me posters here probably read Private Eye, and may have been following the story for decades.
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