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Old 27th September 2017, 07:15 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
My first thought was those are grinding holes.
They're everywhere, though that group would represent very light use.
(There's a wicked cool large group near Jackson, CA. Maybe Travis has seen it. )


Grinding Stones
There may be ways to distinguish man-made grinding holes from ones which occur naturally from pebbles in water vortices. Putting that aside, it doesn't seem logical to me.

Illogical: Climb to the top of a high ridge to grind your grains and nuts. Climb back down.

Logical: Transport some of those rocks down to your village and do your grinding there.
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Old 27th September 2017, 07:19 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I suggested limestone. Someone else said granite. You say sandstone. Is there any way of checking? Is there a publicly available geological survey map of the area?
It might be quartzite which is sandstone subjected to heat and pressure.
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Yeah, there's a lot of things it might be, but that wasn't my question. Is there a publicly available geological survey of the area?
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Old 27th September 2017, 07:53 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
How many actual pedophiles are there, realistically?
Current estimates are 1-5% of the adult male population.

So, a lot, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
I can see that sort of weathering in the rock around the coast here. Large areas and very straight lines. Just another example of self organisation. You have seen clay puddles dry and all the straight lines that produces as the mud dries. Order arising bottom up from chaos is all around us.
There are plenty of similar examples in sandstone rocks* in the Peak District


*Millstone grit

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(rock_formation)
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Old 27th September 2017, 08:34 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
Yeah, there's a lot of things it might be, but that wasn't my question.
Actually, no. There aren't lots of things that it can be.


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Is there a publicly available geological survey of the area?
This suggests quartzite and hard sandstone...

http://weblex.nrcan.gc.ca/html/00300...053003670.html
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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Current estimates are 1-5% of the adult male population.

So, a lot, I guess.
Is that the number who act on it?
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
At the risk of being suspended on this forum, which does not like controversy, there is more stuff on You Tube about pedophiles in Hollywood.

I suppose many people on this forum are too young to remember, but there used to be a famous comedian called Bob Hope. He used to have the knack of telling a joke, which is a bit unusual nowadays, and he was an MC/comedian at the Oscars for many years. The thing is since he died in about 2003 there have been many books and rumors which suggest he was similar to the famous DJ Jimmy Savile in the UK in his child sex activities. There are also allegations against Spielberg which I confess I know nothing about.
Now I'm all sorts of willing to allow the possibility of people doing bad things, and all, but that last sentence just really hits me wrong. How much nonsense is going around the world every moment because people who know nothing can't just leave it unsaid?
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Old 27th September 2017, 04:24 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
How many actual pedophiles are there, realistically?
A fraction of 1%."If we use a very strict definition and say paedophilia refers only to the attraction to pre-pubescent children [then it] is probably much lower than 1%," he says. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28526106

It's not a "very strict" definition, it's just the definition, pedophilia has nothing to do with pubescent teenagers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Now I'm all sorts of willing to allow the possibility of people doing bad things, and all, but that last sentence just really hits me wrong. How much nonsense is going around the world every moment because people who know nothing can't just leave it unsaid?
Nothing makes a conspiracy theorist happier than throwing an accusation at someone or something and following it up with "I confess I know nothing about" the veracity of the accusation they just made.

It's having their cake and eating it too - it's the long time MO of two posters in this thread
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Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Current estimates are 1-5% of the adult male population.
That can't be right. What's your source?
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Old 28th September 2017, 12:55 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
That is nature's work, not done by man. This is sandstone and was once an ancient riverbed. Most of the erosion here was done by the rushing water, with the most obvious being the near-perfect cylinder holes. Some erosion happened after it was no longer a riverbed and became exposed on the surface as we see now. This would be accomplished now by rain and wind.

It looks man-made with design but it isn't. Everything there is explained by natural erosion of an an ancient quartz sediment (sandstone) plateau.

Most appropriate explanation. Thanks !
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Old 28th September 2017, 01:54 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Who placed the Mystery Rocks of Saskatchewan?

http://ryanwunsch.com/mystery-rocks-saskatchewan/
Obviously they were put there by extra-terrestrial aliens. Probably very bored and unimaginative aliens who just like messing with our heads...
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I suggested limestone. Someone else said granite. You say sandstone. Is there any way of checking? Is there a publicly available geological survey map of the area?

There's this, for starters.
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Lithology

The Cypress Hills Formation is composed of loose quartzitic gravel and sand, occasionally conglomerate and marl. [1]
Distribution

The Cypress Hills Formation reaches a maximum thickness of 80 metres (260 ft) in the sub-surface in Saskatchewan, and is typically 40 metres (130 ft) thick.[1] It occurs in the elevated Cypress hills, as well as in several plateau remnants in south-eastern Saskatchewan, south of the Frenchman River.
Relationship to other units

The Cypress Hills Formation forms the present day erosional surface, or may be covered by Laurentian Drift and loess. It conformably overlays the Ravenscrag Formation.[1]
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There is an interesting bit of gossip about Hollywood on YouTube which I admit might be lacking in hard facts or legal evidence, but which is relevant to pedophile elites in Hollywood and politics. I was acquainted with an adopted boy who is now in a not exactly famous rock band, who used to provide stories about Edward Heath and cocaine in parliament because he was in touch with those kind of circles, which I agree also is not exactly legal evidence. Gossip, and what is said on the street, can be useful in any police investigation. It should not just be disregarded out of hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8
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Old 28th September 2017, 03:02 AM   #257
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There is an interesting bit of gossip about Hollywood on YouTube which I admit might be lacking in hard facts or legal evidence, but which is relevant to pedophile elites in Hollywood and politics. I was acquainted with an adopted boy who is now in a not exactly famous rock band, who used to provide stories about Edward Heath and cocaine in parliament because he was in touch with those kind of circles, which I agree also is not exactly legal evidence. Gossip, and what is said on the street, can be useful in any police investigation. It should not just be disregarded out of hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8
So your evidence is the Mail. And its creepy conspiracy story about pedophiles must be true, you tell us, because since then the Mail has unearthed three more creepy conspiracies, about other things. And if we don't accept that, you have a rock musician who was "in touch" with "circles" who supplied him with "gossip" about Heath and cocaine.
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So your evidence is the Mail. And its creepy conspiracy story about pedophiles must be true, you tell us, because since then the Mail has unearthed three more creepy conspiracies, about other things. And if we don't accept that, you have a rock musician who was "in touch" with "circles" who supplied him with "gossip" about Heath and cocaine.
Yebbut if you have two independent sources who both heard the same gossip then surely that's... umm. Well, okay it lends credence to the notion that there is actual gossip and they didn't make that up. That's about it, though.
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Yebbut if you have two independent sources who both heard the same gossip then surely that's... umm. Well, okay it lends credence to the notion that there is actual gossip and they didn't make that up. That's about it, though.
It’s evidence a rumour has existed since the sixties, but we can not take it as any kind of evidence the rumour was true.

We should be careful to emphasise the point you are making.
If I were to be told, on two different occasions, of other tall tales, that a ghost haunts Bluebell Hill, that there is a jaguar that lives in the Underground, or that Migrants kidnap puppies for food, it would only be evidence that those people believed a story, and not that the story was based, in any way, on truth.

Rumours and gossip are only useful to an investigation if they suggest an avenue of enquiry to investigate. To take a historical example, in the time of Jack The Ripper, it was useful to note that local residents in Whitechapel were warning each other of a violent Eastern European prone to bursts of violent rage towards women. It might not prove he was anything to do with the affair, but it is an enquiry that has to be made. Rumours in polite society that the artist Sickert, Lewis Carol, or whomever, is a rum chap with a morbid interest in the case? Less so. It is just gossip.

As it happens the rumours about Heath were investigated, thoroughly for two years, and it did not lead to any actual evidence.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
That can't be right. What's your source?
I don't think a definitive study has been done, but this seems to be the source of the 1-5% that comes up in searches:

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One person who has attempted an estimate is Dr Michael Seto, a clinical and forensic psychologist at the Royal Ottawa Healthcare group.

In 2008 he wrote a book in which he put the prevalence of paedophilia in the general population at 5%.

The figure was based on surveys conducted in Germany, Norway and Finland in which men were asked whether they had ever had sexual thoughts or fantasies about children or engaged in sexual activity with children.

But Seto stresses that 5% was an upper estimate, and that the studies were limited in what they revealed.

"What those surveys don't include are questions on the intensity of those thoughts and fantasies, whether they were repeated or not. Someone might say 'Yes' because they once had a fantasy but our understanding of paedophilia would be that that person recurringly had sexual thoughts and fantasies about children."

Now, with more data and better methodology, he has revised his figure down to about 1% of the population, though he makes clear this is still only an educated guess.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28526106
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Well, that doesn't sounds like reliable results at all.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is an interesting bit of gossip about Hollywood on YouTube which I admit might be lacking in hard facts or legal evidence, but which is relevant to pedophile elites in Hollywood and politics. I was acquainted with an adopted boy who is now in a not exactly famous rock band, who used to provide stories about Edward Heath and cocaine in parliament because he was in touch with those kind of circles, which I agree also is not exactly legal evidence. Gossip, and what is said on the street, can be useful in any police investigation. It should not just be disregarded out of hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8
Wow, that is some smoking gun. A z-list musician spews some self-aggrandizing yellow gossip to acquaintances, film at 11!

What does cocaine have to do with child rape, again?
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is an interesting bit of gossip about Hollywood on YouTube which I admit might be lacking in hard facts or legal evidence, but which is relevant to pedophile elites in Hollywood and politics. I was acquainted with an adopted boy who is now in a not exactly famous rock band, who used to provide stories about Edward Heath and cocaine in parliament because he was in touch with those kind of circles, which I agree also is not exactly legal evidence. Gossip, and what is said on the street, can be useful in any police investigation. It should not just be disregarded out of hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8
I was just standing there minding my own business and I overheard these three guys talking about how some poster on the intrawebz obsessed with celebrity crime stories and pedophile rings is really a pedophile and uses fake outrage to cover their tracks.

See how easy it is? Should I get on the horn to Interpol and the F.B.I.?
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Wow, that is some smoking gun. A z-list musician spews some self-aggrandizing yellow gossip to acquaintances, film at 11!

What does cocaine have to do with child rape, again?
That's why they call it nose candy.
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The Mail also called the investigation a waste of time.
The Mail also has a long history of objectifying young women, in the sidebar of shame.
The Mail also had Richard Littlejohn, as a columnist, who complained for many years about Winterval, Health and Saftey Gone Mad, and scare stories about moving border controls, without ever troubling his column with facts.
The Mail also tried to divide every known object into those that cause, or prevent, cancer, with many objects in both groups.
The Mail also sad “Huzzah for the Blackshirts”.

None of this is relevant to the article you posted, or it’s accuracy, or more importantly your interpretation.

There was a two year investigation. It found no evidence. Everything you want to believe has been well covered by many papers, and I think there is a fair chance that s Me posters here probably read Private Eye, and may have been following the story for decades.
OK, the DM does indeed objectify women. One need only peek at the related articles about celebs in bikinis on their holidays. Most of whom are deeply unattractive and uninteresting and shallow.

But it is worse. Have a list of things alphabetically listed that the DM claims are carcinogens.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/tablo...m-a-to-z.html/
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Wow, that is some smoking gun. A z-list musician spews some self-aggrandizing yellow gossip to acquaintances, film at 11!

What does cocaine have to do with child rape, again?
Cocaine is the gateway drug to child rape, don't you know?
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That guy is convincing. Apparently "Justin Beaver" and "Brett Pitt" are involved as well.
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That guy is convincing. Apparently "Justin Beaver" and "Brett Pitt" are involved as well.
Who?
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Exactly.

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Who?
Oh, sorry. This video was right above my post when I posted it. Sometimes this happens with tapatalk - it shows what you post at the bottom of the current page, not in its correct place in the thread. Also, tapatalk shows videos on the screen even if they only appear as links here, so I assumed that everyone could see the video. My mistake.

In this video, he mentioned Mr. Beaver and Brett Pitt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8

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OK, the DM does indeed objectify women. One need only peek at the related articles about celebs in bikinis on their holidays. Most of whom are deeply unattractive and uninteresting and shallow.

But it is worse. Have a list of things alphabetically listed that the DM claims are carcinogens.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/tablo...m-a-to-z.html/
Yes, they are cataloguing every substance known to man as either causing, or preventing cancer.
I am also unsure if they ever heard of a Jack The Ripper theory they did not declare to have solved the mystery.

But this is an aside. A story can not be considered accurate because it was included in the rag, or dismissed out of hand. It does however suggest a reason to be sceptical, until more substantial evidence is produced.
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So are pedophiles in power or not?
Where? Church ? Boy Scouts?

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Where? Church ? Boy Scouts?

etc
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Anywhere. Any organisation. As has been noted above no one here is saying there couldn't be paedophiles in positions of power. Statistically it is possible if not likely (going by the 1 - 5% figure) but that is not paedophilia being in a position of power. allowing even the 5% figure, 30 or so Members of the British Parliament or 5 US Senators are not "in power". At best they might exercise some fringe influence. There is little to no evidence of systemic power being wielded in any organisation by paedophiles which is why this is being discussed here under "conspiracy theory".
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Old 30th September 2017, 02:34 AM   #273
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Where? Church ? Boy Scouts?

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The point is that if Macron, or Edouard de Rothschild in France were pedophiles it might affect their policies towards adults. They might only be sexually attracted to children between five and eleven.

There was a paedophile scandal a few years ago involving Lord Robertson, a Scot with a senior position in Nato at the time. That was a position of influence and he resigned:

www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
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Old 30th September 2017, 08:07 AM   #274
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is that if Macron, or Edouard de Rothschild in France were pedophiles it might affect their policies towards adults. They might only be sexually attracted to children between five and eleven.

There was a paedophile scandal a few years ago involving Lord Robertson, a Scot with a senior position in Nato at the time. That was a position of influence and he resigned:

www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
For pete's sake, can you CTers stop linking the Rothschilds with EVERY so-called "conspiracy" under the sun? It's getting old.
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Old 30th September 2017, 09:03 AM   #276
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For pete's sake, can you CTers stop linking the Rothschilds with EVERY so-called "conspiracy" under the sun? It's getting old.
As the old saying goes: there's no show without Punch.
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Old 30th September 2017, 09:34 AM   #277
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is that if Macron, or Edouard de Rothschild in France were pedophiles it might affect their policies towards adults. They might only be sexually attracted to children between five and eleven.

There was a paedophile scandal a few years ago involving Lord Robertson, a Scot with a senior position in Nato at the time. That was a position of influence and he resigned:

www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
You are mistaken. None of the people you mention are known to be pedophiles. The source you link to is either a comedy site or simply rubbish. I should expect that any pedophile who attained such a lofty position would have every incentive to conceal his nature and would likely avoid advocating any policy that might expose him.
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Old 30th September 2017, 09:47 AM   #278
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is that if Macron, or Edouard de Rothschild in France were pedophiles it might affect their policies towards adults. They might only be sexually attracted to children between five and eleven.]

No, no, the point is that if the Grand Poobah of Nambia had a fetish for domestic cats wearing little top hats then it might affect his policies on taxing pet food and evening dress.

Completely made up and entirely hypothetical imagined corruption deserves to be considered with due seriousness.
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Old 30th September 2017, 12:49 PM   #279
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Exactly.

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Oh, sorry. This video was right above my post when I posted it. Sometimes this happens with tapatalk - it shows what you post at the bottom of the current page, not in its correct place in the thread. Also, tapatalk shows videos on the screen even if they only appear as links here, so I assumed that everyone could see the video. My mistake.

In this video, he mentioned Mr. Beaver and Brett Pitt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bVeznO1s8
This guy looks like ****, and I'm pretty sure he just took some too.

Katy Perry? The first nutter who doesn't claim she's that Ramsey girl?

This guy says that more and more celebrities are confirming that there are Elite Pedo rings in Hollywood, and he can tell you it's a fact that there are elite pedo rings in Hollywood...

This smells like a steaming turd! I've never heard any celebrity saying that there are elite pedo rings in Hollywood. Sure, Hollywood isn't as "Sunshine & Happiness" as it turns out to be (lot's of poverty). But Elite Pedo rings controlled by the Imaginatti?

Fact? What facts? That some weirdo on youpoop that looks like a junkie is saying it?

Frodo from Lord Of The Rings said that Hollywood is run by Pedos? What? Can someone tell me what he really said that made the cranks go wild?

2:22: Oh, god. This Pizzagate **** again.

"Elite Political World"? Is he talking about the Shadow Gubmints? And they're all into Pedophilia, and he knows this... how?

At 2:40, he reveals that he's a David Icke fanboy, since he thinks they're all reptiles. What kind of reptiles? Shape-shifting ones? Flesh-eating Penguin types? Ferret-Lizard species?

3:30: Argumentum ad YouTube

3:45: "Regardless whether it's fake news or not, I support the articles that are coming out"?

...I think I just lost some braincells...

4:00: another Ad Hominem...

4:20-4:27: ...from what planet is he getting this stuff? Zork?

4:45: And now he's using a REAL operation (Yewtree), to make his bollocks look like "truth"...

5:14: Ok, that's just BS. Bill Clinton went to Jeffrey Ebsteen (probably misspelled his name)'s Orgy island 26 times to have sex with kids. And Hillary is involved too. Proof? Other than Kookshites?

5:25: No, what we need to do, is put people like you in the nuthouse. And what Youpoop should do (which they won't, 'cause ****** moderation and stuff...), is getting rid of these accounts. They're just polluting the site.

And this guy has 12K subs?

This is the reason why I never watch any CT-vids. There's no logic in their "facts" and I get something like the beginning of a headache from stuff that makes no sense.

Now, I'm going to look for those missing braincells that crawled out of my ear...
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is that if Macron, or Edouard de Rothschild in France were pedophiles it might affect their policies towards adults. They might only be sexually attracted to children between five and eleven.

There was a paedophile scandal a few years ago involving Lord Robertson, a Scot with a senior position in Nato at the time. That was a position of influence and he resigned:

www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm
Even if we presume that the person in question was a pedophile and resigned because of it (I have not bothered to check) if you are going to allege that this might affect their policies, what prevents observation of those effects? Anything might happen. What did?
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