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Old 28th September 2017, 03:03 AM   #1
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York "roman ghosts"

For some obscure reason something made me recall reading this as a kid, where a tradesman claimed to see roman ghosts marching through the cellar of the treasurers house in York,
Now obviously and disappointingly he didn't see ghosts, but does anyone have any sceptical background on this?

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Old 28th September 2017, 06:32 AM   #2
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Shouldn't this be in General Scepticism and the Paranormal?

So many people have told this Roman soldier ghost story so many times, including my friend's dad, who doesn't believe in ghosts, but claims he saw them, waist-high, walking through a cellar in a hospital he was working in.

Now, along with this one, I've heard several stories that all revolve around some Roman soldiers wandering waist-high through cellars and basements.

It seems to be a popular story in terms of ghostly goings-on, I think that has a lot to do with it. Without any actual evidence, it's merely a cool story, bro kind of thing.

The Romans were such an interesting bunch of lads, and they did a lot for Britain, and I think the stories left behind went a long way to influencing our folklore. You'll find a lot of Roman ghost stories in many towns and cities in the UK.

I don't believe in ghosts, but I believe people see things sometimes. I once saw a man and woman cuddling outside a chip-shop late one night, and as I got closer, I realized the man and woman were actually a bin, and the chip-shop was a late-night launderette, and I was just high as a *********** kite.
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Old 28th September 2017, 06:46 AM   #3
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Where I grew up, there were stories of people seeing the ghosts of the "lost ninth legion" on the moors...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12752497

People see all kinds of things late at night in remote spots
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Apparently I posted it in the wrong thread, despite the fact that I actually CHOSE to put it in the community thinking that it's far more likely to be seen and replied.

I wondered, even as a kid, just how much of the sighting was caused by the sheer romance of the romans?..
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The original witness (apparently): obituary from a couple of years back.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1155...rtindale_dies/
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Where I grew up, there were stories of people seeing the ghosts of the "lost ninth legion" on the moors...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12752497

People see all kinds of things late at night in remote spots
Ah! That Ninth Legion!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcd3a_KFbS8
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Old 29th September 2017, 05:27 AM   #7
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The original witness (apparently): obituary from a couple of years back.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1155...rtindale_dies/
Certainly appears that HE felt it was real,
Very interesting...can so see why I got so hooked by it as a kid.
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Old 29th September 2017, 06:01 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by mikado View Post
For some obscure reason something made me recall reading this as a kid, where a tradesman claimed to see roman ghosts marching through the cellar of the treasurers house in York,
Now obviously and disappointingly he didn't see ghosts, but does anyone have any sceptical background on this?

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I think I have memories of this being featured on “It’s A Mystery with Neil Buchanan and Sophie Aldred? No idea if there was a sceptical explanation or not.
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Old 29th September 2017, 06:11 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Where I grew up, there were stories of people seeing the ghosts of the "lost ninth legion" on the moors...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12752497

People see all kinds of things late at night in remote spots
We used to live very close to The Fosse Way - an old Roman road - in England's west country, and stories about ghostly legionnaires wandering along that road were, er, legion.
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The "waist-high" bit is a nice touch. The centre of York has been built on over and over again for centuries, so the ground level is considerably higher today than it was in Roman times.

Oh, and I walked past the Treasurer's House late last night. No ghosts were in evidence, waist-high or otherwise.
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It's easy to forget just how much legend and folklore was brought into the UK via the Romans. It's no surprise that there are so many similar ghost stories surrounding them.

In reality, there aren't any truly unique ghost stories, anyway. They all generally echo other stories, to the point where you have to basically assume that it's due to story-telling itself, which is how folklore and myth is even developed and spread.

People hear stories and then they're ingrained into their memory, and a good case in point is the "Old Hag" story. So many people claim of seeing the same thing, and it's basically down to having such a story in their brain in the first place. Sleep paralysis is a real occurrence, and I suffered from it for years, but I never saw any hags, but it's easy to see how someone with that story in their mind may see it during a period of stress between sleep and waking.

People see what they expect to see in many cases. It's almost like when you have hypochondriacs/anxiety sufferers who believe they're having a heart attack; the more they have that in their mind, the more their body and brain trick them into thinking they're having a problem.

The brain is a ********** up piece of random ****. Ghosts are nothing more than brain farts due to one too many large meals consisting of imaginative stories.
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Originally Posted by Alice Shortcake View Post
The "waist-high" bit is a nice touch. The centre of York has been built on over and over again for centuries, so the ground level is considerably higher today than it was in Roman times.

Oh, and I walked past the Treasurer's House late last night. No ghosts were in evidence, waist-high or otherwise.
I have heard the "waist-high detail" in many Roman soldier ghost stories, so I'm not sure if it can be credited solely to York.

I think the "waist-high" trope, if you will, is due to the fact that we're aware of old Roman roads being found beneath many old buildings in this country. This particular ghost story is apparently one that is rife in this country, so for me, that tells me it's mere folklore, more than an actual occurrence.

I think there's at least one or two Roman ghost stories in every town and city in the UK, and there's always a woman in black, a woman in white, a headless horseman, an old hag, etc, etc.

Ghosts are the same or very similar in every country on the map.
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I have a very vague memory of an Arthur C Clarke book of "strange mysteries" and this being mentioned; some credulous person propounded the theory of a stone tape like a magnetic tape. I will have sent the book to the charity shop years ago, though.
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Yeah, I get this story not infrequently. I just smile and think Rome is my enemy; the response that Romans seems to like.
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I have a very vague memory of an Arthur C Clarke book of "strange mysteries" and this being mentioned; some credulous person propounded the theory of a stone tape like a magnetic tape. I will have sent the book to the charity shop years ago, though.
Are you sure you're not remembering the Nigel Kneale play?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stone_Tape
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Are you sure you're not remembering the Nigel Kneale play?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stone_Tape
It doesn't ring a bell personally, but it looks like it spawned the theory of 'stone tapes'.

A bit of searching has found the book of which I was thinking: Amazon linkydink
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Yeah, I get this story not infrequently. I just smile and think Rome is my enemy; the response that Romans seems to like.

Yeah, what have the romans ever done for us?
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It doesn't ring a bell personally, but it looks like it spawned the theory of 'stone tapes'.

A bit of searching has found the book of which I was thinking: Amazon linkydink
Ha ha I so remember that book
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The "waist-high" bit is a nice touch. The centre of York has been built on over and over again for centuries, so the ground level is considerably higher today than it was in Roman times.

Oh, and I walked past the Treasurer's House late last night. No ghosts were in evidence, waist-high or otherwise.
I am so jealous, I am over your side of the planet late February and plan a two day visit to York. My family are from Sheffield, and I was raised in a household speaking dialect so strongly have that Yorkshire culture.

I am thinking Jorvik, which was closed last time we were there, the minister and the shambles. Are there any other museums/historical things that I really must do? Suggestions?
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You must go to the Railway museum. It smells so deliciously oily.

Will you have time to get to Sheffield or to the Peaks? If you get to Sheff you need to go to Weston Park museum and/or to the Ruskin gallery. The Winter Gardens are well worth a visit too.
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I am so jealous, I am over your side of the planet late February and plan a two day visit to York. My family are from Sheffield, and I was raised in a household speaking dialect so strongly have that Yorkshire culture.

I am thinking Jorvik, which was closed last time we were there, the minister and the shambles. Are there any other museums/historical things that I really must do? Suggestions?
Castle Museum. Jorvik was closed for renovation (or because of the floods), but I thought had re-opened. York Dungeon. Treasurer's House of course. The city walls are pretty impressive. Clifford's Tower.

Betty's for a cup of tea. The Micklegate Run if you want a pub crawl challenge.
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And..... here the big one... just how cold will it be late February?
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Dr Who seems to get younger with every regeneration!
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I am so jealous, I am over your side of the planet late February and plan a two day visit to York. My family are from Sheffield, and I was raised in a household speaking dialect so strongly have that Yorkshire culture.

I am thinking Jorvik, which was closed last time we were there, the minister and the shambles. Are there any other museums/historical things that I really must do? Suggestions?
National Railway Museum - York.
http://www.nrm.org.uk
Betty's York (or Harrogate, Ilkley) not really a museum but no visit to Yorkshire complete without a visit to Betty's. https://www.bettys.co.uk/cafe-tea-ro...-tea-at-bettys
Royal Armouries Leeds
https://royalarmouries.org/home
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And..... here the big one... just how cold will it be late February?
Cold. Wet. Dark.

Wooly hat. Scarf. waterproofs. Boots.
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I went on a ghost walk, a guided tour around York, one evening, which included a visit to where the Roman soldiers were supposedly seen. The place is full of ghosts and that is used to attract tourists.
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Cold. Wet. Dark.

Wooly hat. Scarf. waterproofs. Boots.
I know this is stupid but what do you mean by boots? Love the Betty's
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I know this is stupid but what do you mean by boots? Love the Betty's
For the snow, or the floodwater.
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I know this is stupid but what do you mean by boots? Love the Betty's
So this is what the locals wear in winter.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...77_634x720.jpg
The stilettos work like ice picks; you dig the heal in to get traction in icy conditions. Of course we Northern girls maintain an average 10% total body alcohol level over winter so we don't suffer frost bite. If you are not born to it a good pair of walking boots will deal with the snow or mud, and you probably won't want to go bare legged. There is a fair chance York might flood over winter, rubber boots are cheap and you can buy them here if needed.
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Wish I had legs like that....
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Cold. Wet. Dark.
So, just like in the summer?
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Wish I had legs like that....
So do I. I mean, you might be selling yourself short!
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So, just like in the summer?
So do I. I mean, you might be selling yourself short!
Sadly not so
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Yeah, what have the romans ever done for us?
The aqueduct?
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So this is what the locals wear in winter.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...77_634x720.jpg
The stilettos work like ice picks; you dig the heal in to get traction in icy conditions. Of course we Northern girls maintain an average 10% total body alcohol level over winter so we don't suffer frost bite. If you are not born to it a good pair of walking boots will deal with the snow or mud, and you probably won't want to go bare legged. There is a fair chance York might flood over winter, rubber boots are cheap and you can buy them here if needed.
Sorry to go off on a tangent but that photo is doing my head in a bit. The woman on the left appears to be wearing a black garment over a silver dress. I'm hoping someone can point out I'm wrong and that it's part of the dress because if if it's not the garment in question is the most arrestingly pointless wearable item I've ever seen. What is it? Half a skirt? A backwards apron? A bum cape!? This is preying on my mind more than it should.
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I went on a ghost walk, a guided tour around York, one evening, which included a visit to where the Roman soldiers were supposedly seen. The place is full of ghosts and that is used to attract tourists.
I went on a really good one in Lincoln many years ago. They can be a good way to get some local colour in a fun and entertaining way.
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My local museum has done several walks around Malmesbury this year, I've gone on a couple which have been really interesting. The final one is a Halloween walk which I'm sure will include details of all the local ghosts. I gather they've recruited the Athelstan players to provide some colour for it.

4 pm outside the Town Hall on 28th October.
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I love ghost walks. Except talking my other half is a liabiliity, nothing he likes better than to cry out in an alarmed manner, oh my god, did you see that, some fool always bites....
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Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
Sorry to go off on a tangent but that photo is doing my head in a bit. The woman on the left appears to be wearing a black garment over a silver dress. I'm hoping someone can point out I'm wrong and that it's part of the dress because if if it's not the garment in question is the most arrestingly pointless wearable item I've ever seen. What is it? Half a skirt? A backwards apron? A bum cape!? This is preying on my mind more than it should.
It's probably a cardigan that she's taken off and tied around her waist.
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Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
Sorry to go off on a tangent but that photo is doing my head in a bit. The woman on the left appears to be wearing a black garment over a silver dress. I'm hoping someone can point out I'm wrong and that it's part of the dress because if if it's not the garment in question is the most arrestingly pointless wearable item I've ever seen. What is it? Half a skirt? A backwards apron? A bum cape!? This is preying on my mind more than it should.
It is a lace overskirt. It is winter after all! The girl next to her has lace wristlets, these bits of lace can be the difference between life and death in a Norther winter. Honestly you'd think none of you had been on the streets of a Northern city after midnight on Saturday in mid-winter.
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Originally Posted by mikado View Post
And..... here the big one... just how cold will it be late February?
You'll be fine in shorts and sandals.

Sheffield is without doubt, the dirtiest, most unfriendly **** hole of a hovel that I have ever had the misfortune to live in. My cat was stolen and my car was broken into 9 times in 6 months.
I loathe the place.
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