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Old 22nd May 2020, 01:57 PM   #641
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Better the devil you don't know, perhaps?

Other than the influence of your own thoughts about Trump, what would you say is the biggest influence he's had on your life? As in, policies that affect you directly.
That is, of course, an amusing bit of thought exercise, especially for people who are selfish and have no interest in the future of our country or the planet.

From the purely personal point of view, as usual, Trump is probably doing me no harm, perhaps even good. I'm retired, white, heterosexual, live rurally, have income from stocks, pay taxes. So sure, in the short term, without regard for what happens to the poor, or future generations, or any of the other abstract stuff that some people consider worth talking about, whenever I vote against a bigoted, anti-scientific, anti-environmental, corrupt, lying idiot like Trump and his cronies, I probably vote against my short-term self interest. Shame on me.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 02:50 PM   #642
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That is, of course, an amusing bit of thought exercise, especially for people who are selfish and have no interest in the future of our country or the planet.
It was wasapi who introduced the lived experience criterion. If we're judging Trump based on effects we've heard about but not experienced directly, then we can certainly judge Attila "the Hun" the same way. You're taking me to task over wasapi's feigned ignorance.

Anyway, have you found your Forever Trump Nickname yet? Mine is still "Covidfefe".
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Old 22nd May 2020, 03:27 PM   #643
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It was wasapi who introduced the lived experience criterion. If we're judging Trump based on effects we've heard about but not experienced directly, then we can certainly judge Attila "the Hun" the same way. You're taking me to task over wasapi's feigned ignorance.

Anyway, have you found your Forever Trump Nickname yet? Mine is still "Covidfefe".
The question was not specifically aimed. If you find yourself in its way, fine, but if you're not, fine too. I'm quite willing to judge Attila the Hun as having been a bad fellow, despite my not personally feeling his arrows. I was also never skewered by Vlad the Impaler, and yet I feel it reasonable to suggest that he's not a model of good behavior.

But looking at it from a strictly personal point of view, assuming that the world ends when I die, a lot of conservative policies serve my self-interest. I can cast my ineffectual vote, and live like a rich libertarian without having to be actively hypocritical.

We make a lot of judgments based on what we believe is the right or wrong thing to do, without having to experience everything directly.

Covidfefe is OK, but it's a bit of a mouthful.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 04:24 PM   #644
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The question was not specifically aimed. If you find yourself in its way, fine, but if you're not, fine too.
You lost me. What question?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You lost me. What question?
Sorry not sure why I wrote "question" when I meant "comment."
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Covidfefe is OK, but it's a bit of a mouthful.
I'd change covfefe to CoVfefe in response to his handling of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

I know, explaining the joke spoils it.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 05:56 AM   #647
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump would. And the dog just brought coffee.

Wouldn't he claim that Obama was the one who bit them, and then the fake-news media blamed it on the dog?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It was wasapi who introduced the lived experience criterion. If we're judging Trump based on effects we've heard about but not experienced directly, then we can certainly judge Attila "the Hun" the same way. You're taking me to task over wasapi's feigned ignorance.

Anyway, have you found your Forever Trump Nickname yet? Mine is still "Covidfefe".
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I had to laugh at the photo of Trump at the top of that article. He's trying to appear big and tough. He's probably thinking about beating his chest like a Silverback gorilla.
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Yes. You're evaluating Trump based on stuff you've heard or read about him, rather than stuff you've personally experienced. You can evaluate Attila the Hun the same way, but you pretend you can't.
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The difference is everyone in the world has seen and heard what a despicable person Trump is. With their own eyes and ears. Firsthand. Multiple times. Live on TV.
Not so much Attila.
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The difference is everyone in the world has seen and heard what a despicable person Trump is. With their own eyes and ears. Firsthand. Multiple times. Live on TV.
Not so much Attila.
If you follow this conversation back, you'll see that the difference doesn't matter to the question of who was worse.

What's the worst thing you've witnessed with your own eyes and ears about Trump? What's the worst thing you've heard or read about the Hun? Compare the two - which is worse?

Not that it matters much. Follow the conversation a little further back, and you'll see that the previous question is whether Trump is so bad that, like Attila the Hun, he doesn't need a nickname. That's the question wasapi says she can't answer, because she's never experienced life under the Hun. Me, I'm perfectly comfortable nicknaming Trump based on secondhand reports rather than my own lived experience of the man. I think if we restricted it to personal lived experiences of the man, and we were being honest, most of us would have to go with the nickname, "President Nothingburger".

Again, not that it matters much. We're talking about finding a nickname for Donald Trump. This is not anything important.

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I do think the Attila/Trump issue is a little backwards. What makes a person's name an insult without accompanying epithets is not what one experiences during his tenure, but what history decides after.

We don't need epithets for Attila the Hun because he has been made an icon of nastiness by history. From what I've read he was really pretty nasty, but it really doesn't matter anyway. Whether or not you have any knowledge of his historical role, his name alone invokes an idea of invasion, pillage, rape, cultural sabotage, and an unforgiving heartlessness that is often a stand-in for ultra-conservatism. The groundlessness of the latter doesn't make it any less understandable that when one is said to be "to the right of Attila the Hun" it's understood as a grave insult.

It's convenient to have some names that stand for notable behavior, and membership in that class depends in part on convenient placement and timing, as well as character. You don't need historical analysis or a sea of words to know what's meant when you bring up Stalin or Quisling or Benedict Arnold - or for Gandhi, for that matter.

To suggest that Trump's name alone is enough is largely predictive, based on some people's opinion of how his policies and actions will appear in the future, but ultimately it will depend on how history judges him, and on the aftermath of his policies, more than on how people see things right now. If he's nowhere near as bad as Attila or ten times worse won't really matter if history finds it handy to use the name Trump as shorthand for a certain sort of leader.
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Unlike Trump, Attila was actually a leader.
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I do think the Attila/Trump issue is a little backwards. What makes a person's name an insult without accompanying epithets is not what one experiences during his tenure, but what history decides after.

We don't need epithets for Attila the Hun because he has been made an icon of nastiness by history. From what I've read he was really pretty nasty, but it really doesn't matter anyway. Whether or not you have any knowledge of his historical role, his name alone invokes an idea of invasion, pillage, rape, cultural sabotage, and an unforgiving heartlessness that is often a stand-in for ultra-conservatism. The groundlessness of the latter doesn't make it any less understandable that when one is said to be "to the right of Attila the Hun" it's understood as a grave insult.

It's convenient to have some names that stand for notable behavior, and membership in that class depends in part on convenient placement and timing, as well as character. You don't need historical analysis or a sea of words to know what's meant when you bring up Stalin or Quisling or Benedict Arnold - or for Gandhi, for that matter.

To suggest that Trump's name alone is enough is largely predictive, based on some people's opinion of how his policies and actions will appear in the future, but ultimately it will depend on how history judges him, and on the aftermath of his policies, more than on how people see things right now. If he's nowhere near as bad as Attila or ten times worse won't really matter if history finds it handy to use the name Trump as shorthand for a certain sort of leader.
I agree with all of this.
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As my how my life is personally different under President Trump. I have had to give up discussing politics on certain boards. Not because US politics has become too partisan to discuss, but rather because the rules of debate have disappeared under President Trump’s tenure.

I’ve already mentioned that on another cite, I asked for a citation on an unsubstantiated claim and the response I received was “**** you.”
We live in a post-factual world.
Furthermore, President Trump has done more to perpetuate and to create conspiracy theories than every president for the past 100 years combined (I’m leaving off the 1800s because political attacks got pretty wacky back then). This man has convinced 35-45% of America to not believe statements made by his own administration. And if that weren’t bad enough, he has taken the idea of “don’t believe anything unless I personally state it” to the absurd level of “don’t believe anything unless I personally state it today.”

Who knows how long it will take to get people to believe in an objective reality that can be described by facts?
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Back to nicks, and one I'd like the wilting snowflake to see...

Donnie Jouncy Tubby-Rump

Recall the snapshot of him on the tennis court, with his marbled arse practically busting outta his shorts. Ugh.
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Do you like the nickname? Are you going to start using it?
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Do you like the nickname? Are you going to start using it?
It is Bunker Boy. I cannot speak for Dann, but I think it has a nice ring to it.
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Bunker Boy.

I like it.
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It is Bunker Boy. I cannot speak for Dann, but I think it has a nice ring to it.
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Bunker Boy.

I like it.
Yeah, but are you going to start using it?

Mumbles refers to President Trump as "Dolt 45" almost exclusively. Someone else here, I forget who, is pretty consistent with the "Cheeto Benito".

I haven't noticed any of these other nicknames, outside of singular mentions in this thread (and quotes of those posts). Where is the courage to go with these convictions?
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Bunker Boy.



I like it.
Bunker Baby might be even better.
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Yeah, but are you going to start using it?

Mumbles refers to President Trump as "Dolt 45" almost exclusively. Someone else here, I forget who, is pretty consistent with the "Cheeto Benito".

I haven't noticed any of these other nicknames, outside of singular mentions in this thread (and quotes of those posts). Where is the courage to go with these convictions?
I usually refer to him as just Trump but you are right, I should be more consistent and use my favorite nickname: The Orange Menace.
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Yeah, but are you going to start using it?

Mumbles refers to President Trump as "Dolt 45" almost exclusively. Someone else here, I forget who, is pretty consistent with the "Cheeto Benito".

I haven't noticed any of these other nicknames, outside of singular mentions in this thread (and quotes of those posts). Where is the courage to go with these convictions?
I don't think the President ( or Oompa Troompa, if you prefer) referring to Secretary Clinton as Crooked Hillary exemplifies courage. Quite the opposite, IMO.
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I don't think the President ( or Oompa Troompa, if you prefer) referring to Secretary Clinton as Crooked Hillary exemplifies courage. Quite the opposite, IMO.
It's a figure of speech. Besides, courageous or not, it actually stuck in your head.

It doesn't take much courage to make a good nickname stick. Or even to make a bad nickname stick. All you have to do is use it repeatedly.
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It's a figure of speech. Besides, courageous or not, it actually stuck in your head.

It doesn't take much courage to make a good nickname stick. Or even to make a bad nickname stick. All you have to do is use it repeatedly.
It did stick in my head, but associated with how undignified our Chief Executive is. When I hear "Crooked Hillary" the first thing that comes to mind is that the President has the mind of a spoiled, bratty child.

A clever/witty nickname may have done wonders. But he is not a clever or witty man, as he reminds us daily.
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Bunker Baby might be even better.
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It did stick in my head, but associated with how undignified our Chief Executive is. When I hear "Crooked Hillary" the first thing that comes to mind is that the President has the mind of a spoiled, bratty child.

A clever/witty nickname may have done wonders. But he is not a clever or witty man, as he reminds us daily.
I think you've said it more often than I have, at this point. I'll take your word for it that it comes out as an anti-Trump thing to you, when you say it.
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Bunker Baby might be even better.
I think three syllables works better than four. Brevity is the soul of wit.
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I just like the name John Barron or David Dennison, two of his aliases.

I think there's something about an alias that hits harder than a nickname made up by political opponents. They allude to events that are potentially embarrassing to Trump and that may make them more powerful than just "Don the Con" or simply flipping Trump's nicknames back at him.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It's a figure of speech. Besides, courageous or not, it actually stuck in your head.

It doesn't take much courage to make a good nickname stick. Or even to make a bad nickname stick. All you have to do is use it repeatedly.


And after all, that's all it takes for Trump Trash to follow Trump:

If Trump uses it repeatedly, Trump Trash will believe!
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I think three syllables works better than four. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Hmmm...that didn't stop you from repeatedly pimping "covidfefe" on the previous page, for some reason. And let's face it, "covidfefe" doesn't roll off the tongue anywhere near as well as "Bunker Baby".
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I think three syllables works better than four. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Trump is only half-brief.
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I just like the name John Barron or David Dennison, two of his aliases.

I think there's something about an alias that hits harder than a nickname made up by political opponents.
Interesting hypothesis. I wonder if there's any way to test it. My impression is that aliases don't carry much weight at all, unless they're really hammered home by a consistent and long-running narrative that emphasizes them. Like if the media were running weekly stories about the aliases, and repeating phrases like, "Donald Trump, a.k.a., John Barron", then yeah.

Otherwise... who's going to notice or care? Probably any nickname that relies on the events of a single weekly news cycle isn't going to have much staying power.
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Especially because it can refer to two things.
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(or, if it's OK to make an innocuous side reference to Barron -- Nacho Daddy.)
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