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Old 1st December 2020, 10:14 PM   #921
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Originally Posted by 8enotto View Post
Are these guys speaking from an official stance or just saying what could happen?

How long before we would hear something certain?
Dunno.

If it happens at all, I suspect it could take a long time to reach a conclusion. Not being aware of the American Bar Association ethics and procedures but expecting they take a dim view of this sort of thing, I suspect he may have to "stand aside" while any ethics case against him is processed.

If he has broken the law, things might happen faster. Federal officers or FBI involvement? An arrest is imminent? Maybe Trump could (try to) pardon him.

Can our legal eagles weigh in on this?
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Old 1st December 2020, 10:16 PM   #922
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.... That's pretty serious, but I tried to google something about it, and I guess my Google Fu isn't very good, because I wanted to know more detail. Can you help me out? I've heard the statement, but I'm looking for the data to back it up. What can you do for me? ...
This was from a non-sworn-in caller to the Gettysburg hotel meeting they were trying to pass off as a state senate hearing.

There is no data to back it up and if it were true the courts would not have thrown the PA case(s) out which necessitated the faux PA senate hearing. The Keystone Lawyers couldn't get any traction out of these false claims they put in front of a judge so they did the next best thing, they pretended to hold a hearing and pretended to present real evidence.

Here's Fox's coverage of the supposed event and you tell me if the story has any cred.

Pa. poll watcher, a Navy vet, alleges missing USB cards, up to 120,000 questionable votes
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A U.S. Navy veteran and data scientist from Pennsylvania alleged this week that 47 USB cards used during the state’s Nov. 3 election have gone missing – and asserted that as many as 120,000 votes cast in the election should be called into question.

At a hearing in Gettysburg on Wednesday, poll watcher Gregory Stenstrom of Delaware County identified himself a former commanding officer in the Navy and a forensic computer scientist with expertise on security and fraud issues.

“I personally observed USB cards being uploaded to voting machines by the voting machine warehouse supervisor on multiple occasions,” Stenstrom testified. “This person is not being observed, he's not a part of the process that I can see, and he is walking in with baggies of USBs.”
Notice they call it a "hearing" instead of a meeting.
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“I literally begged multiple law enforcement agencies to go get the forensic evidence from the computers. It's a simple process. It wouldn't have taken more than an hour to image all 5 machines. That was never done despite my objections and that was three weeks ago.”
So you're uploading fraudulent data and you carry USBs in baggies? And plug them in in front of 'poll watchers'?

Two pages of searches and not a single one is mainstream news coverage.
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Old 1st December 2020, 10:24 PM   #923
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Dunno.

If it happens at all, I suspect it could take a long time to reach a conclusion. Not being aware of the American Bar Association ethics and procedures but expecting they take a dim view of this sort of thing, I suspect he may have to "stand aside" while any ethics case against him is processed.

If he has broken the law, things might happen faster. Federal officers or FBI involvement? An arrest is imminent? Maybe Trump could (try to) pardon him.

Can our legal eagles weigh in on this?
Maybe not as far fetched as you think.

CNN: Trump associates, including Giuliani, are asking for pardons
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President Donald Trump's associates are making appeals to him in the hopes of obtaining pardons before he leaves office, a source familiar with the matter told CNN on Tuesday.

The source said the list of associates broaching the subject of preemptive pardons that would seek to shield those individuals from prosecution includes Rudy Giuliani, who has been leading the President's long-shot legal battles to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in his role as Trump's personal attorney.

Since the election, Trump has been discussing with advisers preemptively pardoning several people close to him, including his children, son-in-law and Giuliani, a separate source familiar confirmed to CNN. The potential pardon list includes others who are close to the President and could be legally vulnerable but have not been charged.
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Old 1st December 2020, 10:39 PM   #924
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Trump campaign lawyer Joe diGenova may even be disbarred.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ris-krebs-shot
Hold on, lemme take care of something here:

Odin- please make Joe diGenova get disbarred and banned from practising law anywhere in the world... followed by video of him trying to get his dog to have sex with him but the doggie won't do it, becoming public.

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Old 1st December 2020, 10:57 PM   #925
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Didn't I say something about pardons?
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Old 1st December 2020, 11:19 PM   #926
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
This was from a non-sworn-in caller to the Gettysburg hotel meeting they were trying to pass off as a state senate hearing.

There is no data to back it up and if it were true the courts would not have thrown the PA case(s) out which necessitated the faux PA senate hearing. The Keystone Lawyers couldn't get any traction out of these false claims they put in front of a judge so they did the next best thing, they pretended to hold a hearing and pretended to present real evidence.

Here's Fox's coverage of the supposed event and you tell me if the story has any cred.

Pa. poll watcher, a Navy vet, alleges missing USB cards, up to 120,000 questionable votes
Notice they call it a "hearing" instead of a meeting.


So you're uploading fraudulent data and you carry USBs in baggies? And plug them in in front of 'poll watchers'?

Two pages of searches and not a single one is mainstream news coverage.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that method (insertion of USB) how the outlying polling station voting data gets officially entered into the vote-counting system? If so, I would expect there will be a whole swathe of verification algorithms go across all that data before they even get considered to be counted. Then they will be checked again. Then re-checked by other sets of eyes. And confirmed against a whole series of voter databases, etc. That is, due diligence. So any fake or duplicate or other malicious data is going to be rapidly filtered out and flagged. And yet this didn't happen at any step along the way. With him, the experts data guy, sitting watching.

This guy, who claims and advertises he is a big data expert, seems to be claiming that just because a USB of "something" is inserted in a PC within view at a vote-counting station that vote-rigging is definitely the only possible thing that is happening as a result. If he thought it was suspect, did he raise an alarm? he says he complained...did that go anywhere? Any record of that complaint?

It's about as realistic as turning on the faucet of a garden hose, and when water comes out calling it sorcery.
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Old 1st December 2020, 11:59 PM   #927
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just to get up to speed, so far Trump has collected $170M in donations to fight election fraud. so far his legal strategy has been to lose nearly every court case and overturn no votes. hold press conferences in parking lots and with men leaking shoe polish from the sides of their bald heads insisting they have proof but forgot it in their other pants. fire his other lead lawyer claiming the proof is days away, days before the elections are certified. do nothing and wait until after the elections have all been certified. accuse his political opponents, the DOJ, FBI, his close allies, and his own appointed staff of being in on the fraud.

i mean, money well spent
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:04 AM   #928
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just to get up to speed, so far Trump has collected $170M in donations to fight election fraud. so far his legal strategy has been to lose nearly every court case and overturn no votes. hold press conferences in parking lots and with men leaking shoe polish from the sides of their bald heads insisting they have proof but forgot it in their other pants. fire his other lead lawyer claiming the proof is days away, days before the elections are certified. do nothing and wait until after the elections have all been certified. accuse his political opponents, the DOJ, FBI, his close allies, and his own appointed staff of being in on the fraud.

i mean, money well spent
THIS is the operative part of the plan. Donny is all about the grift. And here it is.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:08 AM   #929
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
THIS is the operative part of the plan. Donny is all about the grift. And here it is.
i agree. they're renting out porn store parking lots and golfing all day. they're not even trying.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that method (insertion of USB) how the outlying polling station voting data gets officially entered into the vote-counting system? If so, I would expect there will be a whole swathe of verification algorithms go across all that data before they even get considered to be counted. Then they will be checked again. Then re-checked by other sets of eyes. And confirmed against a whole series of voter databases, etc. That is, due diligence. So any fake or duplicate or other malicious data is going to be rapidly filtered out and flagged. And yet this didn't happen at any step along the way. With him, the experts data guy, sitting watching.

This guy, who claims and advertises he is a big data expert, seems to be claiming that just because a USB of "something" is inserted in a PC within view at a vote-counting station that vote-rigging is definitely the only possible thing that is happening as a result. If he thought it was suspect, did he raise an alarm? he says he complained...did that go anywhere? Any record of that complaint?

It's about as realistic as turning on the faucet of a garden hose, and when water comes out calling it sorcery.
All these allegations are really appealing to the small town under-educated "common sense" folks.

Yes, it could be possible to take a screwdriver to a voting machine, or switch USB drives, or create an algorithm to switch votes, or drive in a food truck filled with invalid ballots.

That could happen.

But all of those things would be vary easily caught. All of those things are things that have been thought of decades ago and there are processes to ensure that they don't happen.

Maybe somebody could do it. But there is no way they could get away with it.

You can rob a bank with the cops sitting right outside. You can do the robbery and get the money. But you are caught on camera, and the die packs explode, and security captures you and the police come in. Yeah, you robbed the bank. But you totally got busted.

That is the way with elections. Sure, people could maybe do what the people claim, but if they did it would have sent up red flags all over the place. But there have been no red flags. Even with a full hand recount audit in Georgia.
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I'll be interested to see (if any of the cases get to a stage where the courts allow the plaintiffs access to the hardware) who the plaintiffs' experts will be, this is a very specialised field.

How are experts assessed in USA civil matters?
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Old 2nd December 2020, 03:59 AM   #932
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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
All these allegations are really appealing to the small town under-educated "common sense" folks.

Yes, it could be possible to take a screwdriver to a voting machine, or switch USB drives, or create an algorithm to switch votes, or drive in a food truck filled with invalid ballots.

That could happen.


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And any good judge or arbitrator is not going to allow possible to be mistaken for probable.
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Strong "Leopards eating faces" vibes coming out of Georgia recently regarding the Republican Governor and Sec of State getting thrown under the bus for failing to find fraud and overturn the Biden win. Same applies to Barr too.

It's undoubtedly a very dire sign for our country that the rabid right is purging those who are ideologically insufficient, but it's hard to take the crocodile tears of these ghouls too seriously.

"Mainstream" conservatives have long been perfectly content stoking the fires of conspiratorial thinking so long as it benefitted them to whip up their voting base, and only now are complaining when their monster turns on them. I suppose it wasn't a problem when these people were accusing Obama of being a foreign born crypto-islamo-marxo-fascist, but now that it's good ole Republicans getting thrown under the conspiratorial bus, it's gone too far.

Again, not a good sign for our nation that one major party is purging anyone who doesn't adequately support Trump's coup, but one can still take a compartmentalized bit of joy watching these people get devoured by a monster of their own creation.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 08:12 AM   #934
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
How are experts assessed in USA civil matters?
Poorly.

The relevant legal rule is here in the Federal Rules of Evidence. The controlling legal precedent for interpreting the rule is the Daubert standard. In practice, neither judges nor attorneys are good at determining whether a witness is a true expert and whether expert testimony is based on a solid foundation of expertise, fact, and reliable method. And they know this about themselves, which means they tend to err on the side of accepting expert opinion as evidence. Loss Leader recommended me the book The Cadaver King and the Country Dentist, which illustrates just how far one can go as an "expert witness" in the American justice system.

In practical terms, a potential expert witness for either party would submit a c.v. to the court and be qualified pretty much on those grounds alone as able to give expert testimony. Voir dire of proposed experts is allowed. It would be up to opposing counsel, either in pretrial hearings or at trial, to poke holes in either the foundation of the expert testimony, or the testimony itself. But there's nothing really that the judge would do to verify that experts really are experts. Most often, the plaintiffs present their experts and the defendants present their own experts, and the jury decides whose opinion is the most credible.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 08:41 AM   #935
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I have not posted for a day or so, so this may already be here;

https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/01/...nce-on-threats

"A top election official in Georgia had scathing words for President Donald Trump and other top Republican leaders who have been attacking Georgia's election system in recent weeks after a spate of reported harassment and death threats during the state's recount.
A Twitter thread accusing a young technician of altering votes in Gwinnett County led to his identity being released and calls for him to be "hung for treason." Caravans of horn-honking Trump supporters constantly parade past Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's private residence and his wife has received sexually explicit threats. "

Donald Trump's legacy. A dirty, nasty, evidence free campaign to undermine democracy.
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Rocky start continues for Sidney Powell's election-fraud lawsuit in Wisconsin. The judge assigned to the case says her team filed a draft motion by accident and still hasn't complied with the basic rules for seeking a temporary restraining order...

This particular civil procedure screw-up in Powell's lawsuit means the defendants don't even have to respond to her request for a temporary restraining order until a week after the Electoral College meets...

Just an amazing pattern of lawyers showing up with what they say are the most important cases ever filed and botching the basics. Even the President's lawyers screwed up the everyday rules for suing people.

These are the mistakes you see when prisoners represent themselves.
Hilite my own.
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status...69015363702786

Truly incompetent lawyering brought in by this conspiracy theory. The Kraken has accidentally beached itself.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I'll be interested to see (if any of the cases get to a stage where the courts allow the plaintiffs access to the hardware) who the plaintiffs' experts will be, this is a very specialised field.

How are experts assessed in USA civil matters?

Someone mentioned at one point that the computer repair guy who "found Hunter Biden's laptop" had closed his shop. Maybe he's being prepared for his new role as an expert witness.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 09:38 AM   #938
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I listened to Strenstrom's (sp?) testimony from the press event in Gettysburg, and there was one thing I heard from him, that I would really like to know more about.



That's pretty serious, but I tried to google something about it, and I guess my Google Fu isn't very good, because I wanted to know more detail. Can you help me out? I've heard the statement, but I'm looking for the data to back it up. What can you do for me?



Meanwhile, I strongly encourage everyone to watch Gabriel Sterling's comments from today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLi-Yo6IucQ

I suspect most people here will recognize the name, or at least the face. He's the official who runs elections in Georgia. His boss is the Secretary of State.
I live in Delaware county and if data went missing by USB cards then entire towns would have dropped out. You’d have Clifton Heights showing Zero votes for anyone for Folcroft reading a flat zero besides the mail-in ballots. It doesn’t show that anywhere. You can easily find the figures online. They show no such signs.
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I live in Delaware county and if data went missing by USB cards then entire towns would have dropped out. You’d have Clifton Heights showing Zero votes for anyone for Folcroft reading a flat zero besides the mail-in ballots. It doesn’t show that anywhere. You can easily find the figures online. They show no such signs.
But....but....Bubba said there were 47 missing memory sticks, and 50,000 votes. I know where he got that from. I watched the video of the guy's testimony at a hotel in Gettysburg, but I can't find anything in follow up. That guy was a US Navy veteran, so I'm sure it must be true. Surely Bubba knows where to find more information.



Meanwhile, over in Nevada, I saw a lawyer interviewed on Fox Business who says he has overwhelming evidence of fraud that will be submitted to a judge by 5:00 today. At least on Fox Business, this lawsuit actually alleges real fraud. Let's see what gets submitted.
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Poorly.

The relevant legal rule is here in the Federal Rules of Evidence. The controlling legal precedent for interpreting the rule is the Daubert standard. In practice, neither judges nor attorneys are good at determining whether a witness is a true expert and whether expert testimony is based on a solid foundation of expertise, fact, and reliable method. And they know this about themselves, which means they tend to err on the side of accepting expert opinion as evidence. Loss Leader recommended me the book The Cadaver King and the Country Dentist, which illustrates just how far one can go as an "expert witness" in the American justice system.

In practical terms, a potential expert witness for either party would submit a c.v. to the court and be qualified pretty much on those grounds alone as able to give expert testimony. Voir dire of proposed experts is allowed. It would be up to opposing counsel, either in pretrial hearings or at trial, to poke holes in either the foundation of the expert testimony, or the testimony itself. But there's nothing really that the judge would do to verify that experts really are experts. Most often, the plaintiffs present their experts and the defendants present their own experts, and the jury decides whose opinion is the most credible.
Yep, and even further that that, I expect that the plaintiffs will "witness shop" for their so-called expert, looking around until they find one that will tell them exactly what they want to hear.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 11:38 AM   #941
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Part of Sydney Powell's filing in Michigan has a "witness" detailing voter fraud in a county that does not exist.

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A witness in a lawsuit from allies of President Donald Trump trying to overturn democracy in Michigan said the votes in Edison County "are cause for concern and indicate fraud" because President-elect Joe Biden won "more than 100% of the votes."

There's just one problem: There is no Edison County in Michigan, the Detroit Free Press pointed out.

In fact, there is no Edison County in the entire United States of America.

The claim came from Navid Keshavarz-Nia, who describes himself in an affidavit as a cybersecurity expert working at a defense contractor who has received training from several government agencies. The affidavit is included as an exhibit appended to a lawsuit filed last week by people working with Sidney Powell, a former member of the Trump campaign's legal team.

In the affidavit, Keshavarz-Nia said he had not analyzed any of the voting machines used in the 2020 election but argued that there was "evidence of fraud" based on his analysis of election data.

Much of that data is simply false or based on a misunderstanding of how election data is reported.

It's not clear whether Keshavarz-Nia had another county in mind when referring to a vote count of more than 100% in "Edison County," but some internet sleuths have made claims about more than 100% of a particular county voting by relying on outdated voter-record information or simply using the wrong data sets, USA Today and Reuters reported.

In another part of the affidavit, Keshavarz-Nia said Trump's lead in Pennsylvania dropped at a rate faster than votes can be counted. But the votes were reported by precincts in the time span he indicated, not actually counted at that time.

Even though Keshavarz-Nia said he didn't analyze the machines used in the 2020 election, Powell's lawsuit cites his affidavit to argue that "hundreds of thousands of votes that were cast for President Trump in the 2020 general election were transferred to former Vice-President Biden" — which is not true.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:02 PM   #942
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Someone mentioned at one point that the computer repair guy who "found Hunter Biden's laptop" had closed his shop. Maybe he's being prepared for his new role as an expert witness.
Yes... Republicans like Ted Cruz said that Covid would all go away after the election. Trump himself said that we wouldn't hear about it any more on November 4 (the day after the election)

(NOTE: If you don't believe they really said that, he's a short video proving they actually did..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmRdzbyf9TQ)

Yeah, well I found a very interesting thing about "Hunter Biden's Laptop".... A chart of Faux News' coverage of this alleged laptop of Hunter Biden's

"Hunter Biden's Laptop. It's going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear."



https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/how...-the-election/


Its seems to me that as soon as it became apparent this laptop was fake, that people weren't buying the BS, and in any case, it wasn't having any effect oh Biden's popularity or approval ratings, they dropped it like a red-hot stone.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:12 PM   #943
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Strong "Leopards eating faces" vibes coming out of Georgia recently regarding the Republican Governor and Sec of State getting thrown under the bus for failing to find fraud and overturn the Biden win. Same applies to Barr too.
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Again, not a good sign for our nation that one major party is purging anyone who doesn't adequately support Trump's coup, but one can still take a compartmentalized bit of joy watching these people get devoured by a monster of their own creation.

I understand taking some joy in these idiots reaping the whirlwind, but at the same time, we have to allow them some room to retreat.

Sure, we've been warning them about exactly this for years, but like it or not, these guys are the officials in charge, and we need them to finally, at long last, actually understand why we've been warning them about this. It was always a question if there was any point short of a civil war that would finally get these guys to get their heads out of their asses. Thankfully, it seems we might have found such a point, at least for these few officials.

As much as we might desire to gloat, it's more important that we encourage them to keep moving back towards the sensible end of the spectrum. Don't punish the behavior we want to see.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:25 PM   #944
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Yep, and even further that that, I expect that the plaintiffs will "witness shop" for their so-called expert, looking around until they find one that will tell them exactly what they want to hear.
That's exactly how the game is played in any court case involving expert testimony, which is most court cases these days. There are no objective criteria to certify experts in any field. The judge doesn't certify expert witnesses, except to note that the proffered c.v. seems to claim expertise that is relevant to the opinion sought. The c.v. could be entirely fabricated, as far as the judge is concerned.

(I should note that while the Daubert standard applies at the federal level and in most states, the prior standard -- the Frye standard -- applies in a few others. This requires expert opinion offered as evidence to be settled enough that other experts would agree.)

In American courts it is 100% up to opposing counsel to challenge the evidentiary value of expert opinion, using the aforementioned rules of evidence and binding precedents. But more often the opposing counsel won't try to do that by undermining the other expert on cross-examination. As one of my attorneys long ago told me, "That's bought-and-paid-for testimony." More often you bring in your own expert to muddy or clarify the waters, whichever the occasion warrants.

At a certain point, if it gets bad enough, counsel can make a Daubert motion in limine, which -- if supported with evidence and ruled upon favorably by the judge -- will vacate the certification of the witness as an expert and thereby remove any opinion testimony of his from the record. (Or preclude it, if the motion is made prior to trial.)

So expert witnesses on the weakest side are usually just well enough qualified to survive a Daubert challenge, but they know who's paying the check for their services and they'll say whatever needs to be said "within the bounds of reasonable scientific certainty" -- a non-existent standard, but a statement that impresses juries.
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Old 2nd December 2020, 01:52 PM   #945
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But....but....Bubba said there were 47 missing memory sticks, and 50,000 votes. I know where he got that from. I watched the video of the guy's testimony at a hotel in Gettysburg, but I can't find anything in follow up. That guy was a US Navy veteran, so I'm sure it must be true. Surely Bubba knows where to find more information.



Meanwhile, over in Nevada, I saw a lawyer interviewed on Fox Business who says he has overwhelming evidence of fraud that will be submitted to a judge by 5:00 today. At least on Fox Business, this lawsuit actually alleges real fraud. Let's see what gets submitted.

I'm having flashbacks to the courtroom antics in the 1993 train shootings by Colin Ferguson and all the nutty stuff he tried to claim in his defense. Link . The bit that keeps coming to mind when I hear about the killer evidence that's about to drop any day now is the video interview of this interesting person :
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He [Ferguson] also found another man who was willing to testify the government implanted a computer chip in Ferguson's brain, but at the last minute decided not to call him to the stand. This individual, Raul Diaz, was a parapsychologist from Manhattan and claimed during a press conference on the courthouse steps to have witnessed an Oriental man press a chip into Ferguson's head prior to the attack. According to Diaz, the Oriental man told him to behold what he was about to do prior to pushing the button. "He was lasered out by a remote-control device," Diaz told reporters outside the courtroom. "He was zapped, just like that, right out of the twilight zone" and was "commanded to go up and down the aisle shooting people."

Never managed to find the clip on Youtube, which is a shame as it was something you truly had to see to fully appreciate.
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It's friendly and fun to watch Trump and Co. get their asses kicked in court and in recount after recount, and now it's Cracked Kraken Sidney Powell's turn.
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The federal judge presiding over Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood’s lawsuit challenging Wisconsin’s election results issued a ruling on Wednesday that reads like a laundry list of embarrassing procedural failures and omissions, highlighting what could well represent the nadir of post-election legal ineptitude.

Filed Tuesday in Wisconsin’s Eastern District, the complaint—which asked the court to direct the state to declare President Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 election—proved immediately problematic, as one of the named plaintiffs stated that the attorneys used his name without permission. “I learned through social media today that my name was included in a lawsuit without my permission,” Derrick Van Orden, who recently lost his bid for the House of Representatives, wrote Tuesday. “To be clear, I am not involved in the lawsuit seeking to overturn the election in Wisconsin.”

Things only got worse from there, with Powell and Wood demanding the immediate production of 48 hours of security camera footage from the TCF Center, which is a convention center used as a voting station on Election Day. It is located in downtown Detroit, Michigan.

On Wednesday, Chief U.S. District Judge Pamela Pepper, an appointee of Barack Obama, took the attorneys to task, bluntly laying out the litany of basic mistakes made in the complaint.
After pointing out that the complaint was “not verified,” Pepper went to work on the substantive errors, first noting that plaintiffs’ motion stated that that the requested relief was “laid out in an attached order.”

“This language was highlighted and in a larger font than the rest of the motion. There was no order attached,” she wrote.

Powell and Wood also declared that they had filed a motion seeking to file affidavits under seal and requesting an in camera review, stating they had delivered those filings to the Defendants “by mail and FedEx at the following addresses.”

But that apparently didn’t happen.

“No addresses were listed below this statement and no documents were filed under seal. There was no request for in camera review,” she wrote.
The Kraken seems a bit moribund.
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Good lord, this twitter thread. This is what they consider evidence of fraud.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TepidButt...62192928731142
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Old 2nd December 2020, 05:27 PM   #948
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President Trump had a few things to say about election fraud today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O...ature=youtu.be
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President Trump had a few things to say about election fraud today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O...ature=youtu.be
tl;dw Trump is an idiot and a liar. It was a fair and free election, and he lost.
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Are 100% of the vote fraud witness affidavits signed by liars??
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Good lord, this twitter thread. This is what they consider evidence of fraud.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TepidButt...62192928731142
I like the beard guy. He saw a router.
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President Trump had a few things to say about election fraud today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O...ature=youtu.be
Look Bubba, you gave it a shot... and failed miserably. But on a more positive note, Stormfront will always be there for you.
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Diaper Don loses in Ga for a third time!!

Bwahahahahahahaha!! What a dope!
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Are 100% of the vote fraud witness affidavits signed by liars??
No, I think the majority are idiots. They don't know what they saw, but they assume it was somebody cheating. The fact is that there are ways to check these claims, and they fail to stand up. Some don't even come close to making sense.

Trump is a liar, though. He knows he lost, but he's pulling in donations for his future life.
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Are 100% of the vote fraud witness affidavits signed by liars??
And idiots. Don't leave them out.
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Are 100% of the vote fraud witness affidavits signed by liars??
I'm sure the one complaining about rhinestones was legit.

Losing recounts over and over and ovah. Getting kicked out of court over and over and ovah.

Diaper Don the Would-Be-Dictator is done, demolished, and demoted to a one term never was.
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President Trump had a few things to say about election fraud today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O...ature=youtu.be
Translation:

Grift, lie, bitch, moan, complain, whine, grift, lie, bitch, moan, complain, whine, grift . . .

Diaper Don needs his binkey and blankey.
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Are 100% of the vote fraud witness affidavits signed by liars??
impossible to know.

Many that I've seen reported are wild leaps from "something I don't understand happened" to "FRAUD!"

Vote counting is not complicated, but it's often complex, partly because every effort is made to avoid mistakes and interference. Unless you are familiar with the whole process, it is best to not try and jump in with both feet just because you don't understand one part of it.
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President Trump had a few things to say about election fraud today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O...ature=youtu.be
I didn't watch it. Did he give any more detail on those 47 missing USB cards from Delaware County? I'd sure like to know more about that. You can't do much with just the couple of sentence summary from an unofficial hearing.
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impossible to know.

Many that I've seen reported are wild leaps from "something I don't understand happened" to "FRAUD!"

Vote counting is not complicated, but it's often complex, partly because every effort is made to avoid mistakes and interference. Unless you are familiar with the whole process, it is best to not try and jump in with both feet just because you don't understand one part of it.
Yes, but what about the rhinestones? Seems like some funny business to me.
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