|
Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
11th August 2018, 04:46 AM | #81 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 27,712
|
Rlopez2, what is it you would like to do that you can't because the police state is keeping you from it? Having traveled extensively in Africa, to include being in Uganda for their last presidential election, I know from police states. What is it about the US that makes you think it's a police state?
|
11th August 2018, 04:59 AM | #82 | ||
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
RE: Yes, look around you. It's hard enough to make sense of incoherent rambling without trying to parse out what is a response to what.
RE: It is exactly the same thing as using the quote button, but far less confusing to other readers. RE: Do you have a problem in actually finding the quote button? I like to understand people (contrary to what you may think I am not just an ******* messing with you) and you sound like I am abusing you somehow which is not my intention even though to you it may be effectively what I am doing.
The way I understand you is: you visually follow the relationship between the conversational back and forths people have for which you use that javascript-based "quote" function, right? As I said I don't like (what I consider to be) silly protagonism and that quote thing to me is a platform for exactly that. I always talk in topical ways, but our impedance while trying to understand each other may be because I tend to (quite naturally) keep mental maps of what I mind. I never (very, very rarely to the point that if feels a bit strange) print out code. My professional programming colleagues consider me to be a freak. At times a bug has bitten my butt really hard and what I do is printing the page with the piece of code and read it upside down. My brother (a composer himself) can hear a relatively large musical piece just once and effortlessly transcribe all instruments. My mom is like that, too. I think people call it Asperger something or whatever. I have read (Luria wrote and interesting book about it "the mind of a mnemonist") that that was a skill that people actually used to practice when they had minds (instead of cell phones, "smart" TV sets) and about how people did. By the way, before you go off, I am not saying or implying I am in any way better than other people. It is just that people’s minds are different. As a teacher I notice that on a daily basis. Our minds, not the melanin, ethnicity, money, ... thing, is what makes us "different". A times you see, legally speaking, "adult individuals" carrying around like 300 lbs of body weight with the mind of a 3th grader. ~ RE: I'm sure the USG's AI is not particularly interested in a tiny obscure forum. "Why would the NSA care about my boobs?" would Lindsay Mills say to her boyfriend Edward Snowden, which gave him such levels of anxiety that he chose to go solo even though they were very intimate. Pre Snowden era, I had a girlfriend who works as a social worker for mentally ill/unstable people. Once she asked me (and as an ISM activist working in Palestine she knew first hand about USG/Israeli evil, one of her best friends actually witnessed from a few feet away when the IDF ran a bulldozer over Rachel Corrie): "Why do you talk like this? You are very obviously not mentally ill. I know mental illness. This is what I do on a daily basis". Then I showed to her the letter in which USG let me know they had blacklisted my black rear end in the FBI criminal index. She was shocked, as she told me, because: 1) I am a totally unimportant person in fact I don't care about any kind of protagonism and I am kind of apolitical even a bit associal, I see politics kind of morally 2) USG doesn't deal with their targets in such ways (she knows very well about targeting they drove one of her friends to the point of hiding under her bed, literally, for days on end without returning calls or opening her apartment’s door not even to her close friends, family) 3) as another previous girlfriend put it (she also thought like that): "Ach! You a spy, a terrorist or any of that b#llsh!t. It is not even about you. Whoever wants to use you as such things doesn't have a clue about reality" Then after the Snowden revelations she demanded for me to explain to her how did I know about all of that in such details and we had long and deep conversations about those matters and why is it that people choose to bury their heads in the sand when it came to them. |
||
11th August 2018, 05:14 AM | #83 |
Insert something funny here
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Norway
Posts: 10,816
|
If Facebook and YouTube should be obligated to publish Alex Jones, should then Jones' InfoWars website be obligated to publish things from mainstream sources?
In the name of free speech, can I demand Alex Jones publishes an article of mine? |
11th August 2018, 05:15 AM | #84 |
Insert something funny here
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Norway
Posts: 10,816
|
And please, rlopez2, learn to use the quote function. It's one button. Your last post is impossible to read, and I have no idea who or what you are responding to.
|
11th August 2018, 05:24 AM | #85 |
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
RE: What is it about the US that makes you think it's a police state?
I am not claiming to have invented either the fact or the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...strial_complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...;media_complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_s..._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow...nt_(conspiracy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...–present) |
11th August 2018, 06:50 AM | #86 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: As far away from casebro as possible.
Posts: 7,070
|
We get it. You are special. And really clever. It's obviously in the genes, because your brother is really clever. And your mother. Good for you. So why would such a clever, special person follow convention? That's for sheep and other non special people, right? Being unconventional is so edgy. |
__________________
There is no secret ingredient - Kung Fu Panda |
|
11th August 2018, 06:58 AM | #87 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: As far away from casebro as possible.
Posts: 7,070
|
|
__________________
There is no secret ingredient - Kung Fu Panda |
|
11th August 2018, 07:09 AM | #88 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 27,712
|
|
11th August 2018, 07:11 AM | #89 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 27,712
|
|
11th August 2018, 07:39 AM | #90 |
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
RE: So why would such a clever, special person follow convention? That's for sheep and other non special people, right?
RE: Being unconventional is so edgy. That was cheap, easily predictable. There is more to it than I am still expecting. I wrote this knowing you would go off. You are acting like I am inflicting pain on you, which I can't help but take as some sort of odd and silly joke. I wonder to which extent it is that as a teacher I expect all social relations to be somewhat entropic, so I don't care about, don't even quite notice visual things. However unconventionally crazy you find me, for the reasons I explained and regardless of whichever protagonistic projections and emotional somatizations on your side. I will not use your most loved quote thing. I know that would mean to you I am a neo nazi, child molester, offensive heretic, ... or whatever and as you may have noticed I don't give a **** about it. I think I have taken care of answering your questions when I see them as answerable not ad hominem bs about "the OP" and such wasteful nonsense. Hey! You may even gang up on me (and rightfully so!) as some of you were even suggesting and convince your topical police here to ban me. They have already removed some of my posts for freedom of interpretations kinds of reasons. |
11th August 2018, 08:25 AM | #91 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 27,712
|
Perhaps you could start with evidence. Much of what you provide as evidence ends with a question mark or you give links that don't say what you claim.
|
11th August 2018, 09:56 AM | #92 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dog House
Posts: 26,122
|
|
__________________
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Albert Einstein "... education as the means of developing our greatest abilities" - JFK |
|
11th August 2018, 10:11 AM | #93 |
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
RE: What I am talking about is in the 1990's technology turned "me and you" into the products to be sold to businesses.
since they have a degree of control over every single individual in society, that they can think of, handle every one of us as if they had all of us in some sort of predictive behavioral assembly line |
11th August 2018, 10:34 AM | #94 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,721
|
Yes. You will be assimilated.
Norm |
__________________
Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in Vain |
|
11th August 2018, 10:35 AM | #95 |
Terrestrial Intelligence
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Terra Firma
Posts: 6,451
|
I think it can be reasonable argued that if a private company becomes so ubiquitous that it effectively starts to act as a public space, it should be forbidden for them to discriminate on the basis of political affiliation, religious belief, sexual orientation, etc... and should be compelled to allow a large diversity of opinion.
But even a public square needs some policing against public nuisance and if someone is finally kicked out of a crowded theater for shouting "fire" for the thousand's time, I don't think it should make any difference whether the theater is privately or publicly owned. Since Google kicked him off YouTube, it is only a matter of time before they kick him off the Android Play Store. And he's not going to last long on Google+ either. |
__________________
Perhaps nothing is entirely true; and not even that! Multatuli |
|
11th August 2018, 10:48 AM | #96 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 6,092
|
That's no doubt something they weighed already.
Quote:
No doubt Alex will make his own website. Maybe it will increase his popularity. So? Big deal. Youtube only care about whether he's on youtube or not.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Incidentally, I can't help wondering - where is all this outrage when the current President openly attacks the media all the time?
Quote:
Quote:
Again, all those who bleat about freedom of speech don't seem to care at all about this, for some strange reason. Even thought it's a vastly larger threat.
Quote:
|
__________________
Promise of diamonds in eyes of coal She carries beauty in her soul |
|
13th August 2018, 08:02 AM | #97 |
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
RE: Incidentally, I can't help wondering - where is all this outrage when the current President openly attacks the media all the time?
Why should there be any outrage? Apparently, "we the people" love it, that is one of the reasons why they like Trump. He takes it as some sort of sport. Can't you see that? Moreover, why should any one respect the media? (is what I wonder about) |
13th August 2018, 08:08 AM | #98 |
Satan's Helper
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 44,024
|
|
__________________
"I am a collection of water, calcium and organic molecules called Carl Sagan" Carl Sagan |
|
13th August 2018, 10:58 AM | #99 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Central California Coast
Posts: 6,863
|
I am of the opinion that the world might be a better place if everyone gets kicked off the internet.
|
__________________
Disingenuous Piranha |
|
13th August 2018, 12:01 PM | #100 |
Philosopher
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 9,071
|
When I go on vacation I enjoy being completely away from all electronic communication devices. Other than an emergency phone and a not turned on crank powered radio it's nature only.
I liked the 60-90's in pre-computer era (but did get my first Apple IIGS in 86 and IBM 486 in 91) |
13th August 2018, 01:43 PM | #101 |
Satan's Helper
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 44,024
|
|
__________________
"I am a collection of water, calcium and organic molecules called Carl Sagan" Carl Sagan |
|
13th August 2018, 04:16 PM | #102 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 27,712
|
|
14th August 2018, 08:03 AM | #103 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 8,143
|
Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al let the Atlantic Council determine what is or isn't so-called "Fake News" to be removed. The Atlantic Council is a far-right think tank linked to NATO, so of course it's not just Alex Jones who gets removed. Just a small sample of examples:
Facebook events organizing the counter-protests to the "Unite the Right 2" rally held a couple of days ago in Washington get removed. The events organizing the rally itself are of course untouched. Not that it worked, counter-protests still vastly outnumbered the rally. Left-wing facebook meme pages get removed for posting material opposing (neo-)nazism. If you're in any way involved in "Leftbook" (the name given to the loose network of left-wing pages, groups, events, etc on facebook) you can see this in action almost daily. It's pure McCarthyism on a global social media scale. |
14th August 2018, 09:34 AM | #104 |
Orthogonal Vector
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 53,184
|
|
__________________
Sufficiently advanced Woo is indistinguishable from Parody "There shall be no *poofing* in science" Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Force ***** on reasons back" Ben Franklin |
|
14th August 2018, 09:56 AM | #105 |
Devilish Dictionarian
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery
Posts: 20,071
|
|
__________________
"You must not let your need to be right be more important than your need to find out what's true." - Ray Dalio, Principles |
|
14th August 2018, 10:09 AM | #106 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,127
|
rlopez2, when you reply the way you do, taking sentence fragments and replying to them without the quote function, you are leaving out the context of the quote, a link back to the post you're replying to so we can see that context, and the identity of who you're replying to. It's rude.
|
15th August 2018, 09:35 AM | #107 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 13,087
|
|
__________________
Music is what feelings sound like "Dulce bellum inexpertīs." - Erasmus |
|
15th August 2018, 10:50 AM | #108 |
Illuminator
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,466
|
|
__________________
Don't feed the trolls. Just ignore them. |
|
15th August 2018, 10:54 AM | #109 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 60,375
|
|
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein. |
|
16th August 2018, 09:37 AM | #110 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The great American West
Posts: 24,911
|
Sure, and then it would be reasonable for the company to ask in return for immunity from certain kinds of liability. The more it is expected to act like a common carrier or a public accommodation, the more it can be expected to not be sued when it fails to police content that affect the other rights of its customers. And the more transparent it will be expected to be about who those customers are. These social media companies arose out of a desire to shape a certain kind of experience, and their terms of service reflect that. They undertake the expense of creating and supporting the experience, and therefore have a right to profit from it. That creates conflicts of interest we're only now turning the right attention to.
Then there's also the degree to which the government and necessary services are starting to rely on social media. It's common, for example, for police departments to tweet urgent bulletins. If Twitter's terms of service prevent some people from using the service, have those people been disenfranchised in some way? Consider that Facebook does not allow sex offenders to use their service. That's a reasonable policy, given the nature of the experience they wish to create and among whom they wish to create it. But Facebook also provides an easy and inexpensive platform for creating an online presence. If a county employment agency uses Facebook as its online presence for budget reasons, and requires all those seeking a job to interact with them electronically only via Facebook's communications, have they now just prevented all convicted sex offenders (and all others precluded in Facebook's terms of service) in their county from engaging with their government in an important way? This is a larger problem I see with the privatization of government services. The mix of obligation to shareholders, obligation to constitutional fairness, the right of free enterprise, and issues of liability haven't been talked about enough. When private interests -- especially profit interests -- have more control over our behavior as citizens than governments bound to constitutions and charters, I want to focus more scrutiny on that. |
16th August 2018, 12:30 PM | #111 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Blackstone River Valley, MA
Posts: 2,298
|
I hope that they are simply including twitter when they send their alerts via the Wireless Emergency Alerts system the Federal government set up. I know my local & state police/fire emergency alerts come to me via the system as well as NWS storm alerts. (had my first "TORNADO TAKE SHELTER NOW! message on my phone a couple weeks ago)
That should be banned by law, period. Forced surrender of your privacy rights to a corporation to get government services is just plain wrong. |
18th August 2018, 06:24 AM | #112 |
Hasbarian NWO Templar Cattle
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: The Intergalatic Solar System!
Posts: 1,692
|
I hope David Icke or Mark Dice aka Le Health Guru will be next.
|
__________________
"Bravery Is Not A Function Of Firepower." - JC Denton "And belief in conspiracy theories is not the function of a higher intellect." - BStrong |
|
3rd November 2018, 03:48 PM | #113 |
Critical Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 356
|
// __ FRONTLINE PBS (55:18): The Facebook Dilemma, Part One (full film)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T48KFiHwexM ~ // __ FRONTLINE PBS (54:48): The Facebook Dilemma, Part Two (full film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuA4qxPbpQE ~ |
Thread Tools | |
|
|