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15th August 2018, 06:43 PM | #881 |
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Common sense has clearly been snuck up on from behind beaten several times on the head and left to bleed. For my complete compilation of evidence showing AAL77 hit the Pentagon -http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/ For my compilation of evidence for UAL93 - http://ual93.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/user/cjnewson88 |
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25th August 2018, 04:49 AM | #887 |
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Not sure if DGM's question from four years ago has ever been answered, but yes, Mark Basile confirmed in Juli 2013 that he was doing this project and collecting $5000 initially, $10,000 ideally, on the 9/11 Truth Teleconference, where he was a featured guest on Juli 31, 2013:
Audio-recording (Mark is on from 1:25 min to 29:33 min) Minutes I recognize Mark's voice and speaking style from a couple of videos, and from talking to him personally on the phone in something like early 2012 (I remember talking to him about the problem of destructive tests like DSC, and him suggesting that chips be split in half, with one half being kept for non-destructive tests and future reference, and the other half being used in destructive test. I am pretty sure we talked about a future study Basile was thinking of doing, but I am not sure that there was at the time a specific fundraising going on). |
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29th August 2018, 02:47 PM | #890 |
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30th August 2018, 08:09 AM | #891 |
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Browse Advances in Applied Spectroscopy - Concepts and Techniques c2017 by Nova Science Publishers, Inc.
From my research, it appears that chemist Mark Basile has decided to follow an identification methodology employed by scientists currently trying to identify the chemical formula of the amazingly durable ancient Roman concrete. |
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30th August 2018, 12:28 PM | #893 |
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And? How does any of this address anything in post #837 - which called out a crashing failure of yours? (Your post #834 failed in ignoring that the "science" of Jones, Harrit, Basile has been addressed by us many many years ago in full, and in erecting a strawman, claiming FALSELY that I "feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy").
You still need to address your FAIL. |
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30th August 2018, 06:08 PM | #894 |
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Millette didn't refuse to do it. He wasn't hired to perform destructive tests, he was hired to tell whether the chips were thermite, and he did exactly that, by competent methods.
When someone asks you to do something, you can choose not to do it. That's refusing. That's, for example, what you're doing by not addressing the posts that Oystein has asked you to address: you're refusing to address them. Basile is also refusing to perform the analysis that he received donations to perform. Millette, however, did not refuse to do any destructive tests, because no one asked him to do them. |
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Another month gone and nothing to show for the thousands of dollars donated by gullible truthers. How sad.
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Ziggi and Mark Basile have now been unable to fulfill their original promise (or be honest about the results of lab testing that was actually done) for 54 months.
54 MONTHS! LOL at these fraudsters and those who would defend them. Additionally, it is now the end of the summer and so Ziggi has broken the new promise he made just this spring re providing a "major" update and results from a raman spectroscopy study of Mark Basile's sample. As the years pass by, Ziggi continues to break just as many promises as he makes and is too embarrassed to even pretend to defend himself and the fraud he and Mark Basile perpetrated re the original broken promise any longer. |
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1st October 2018, 04:20 PM | #898 |
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Another month has passed.
It has now been 55 months since Mark Basile had the funds he needed to fulfill his original promise of sending his sample to a lab for independent analysis. Ziggi is in hiding after blowing his promises for "major updates" this spring and summer. Basile himself hasn't been heard form directly in ages. Not even a single truther can muster any support for either of these fraudsters any more. Ziggi, if you don't want to be called a liar, then you should try not lying so much. Ziggi Zugam is a liar and an embarrassment to truthers, if that's even possible. |
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1st November 2018, 03:12 PM | #901 |
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I know nothing about this... but my guess that nothing will ever come of it.
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6th November 2018, 12:03 PM | #905 |
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1st December 2018, 06:57 AM | #906 |
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58. Closing in on 5 years now that Mark Basile and "Ziggy Zugam" have had the funds to fulfill their promise to have the WTC dust independently tested. Instead of fulfilling their promise, they have simply filled those five years with lies and excuses.
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12th January 2019, 08:52 AM | #908 |
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I patiently crawled back on JM Talboo's increasingly hysterical blog "Debunking the Debunkers", to look for news on the Basile study, and found a November 14, 2008 gem, posted by "Zugam", who is not ashamed to post this ********:
Originally Posted by Zugam
All that Mark Basile needs to do at this time is to put a dust sample in an envelop, write a few notes as to what he wants done with it, enclose a check for $5000, and wait 2 weeks. It is unclear why these huxters pretend they can get away with their shameful lies after all these years of doing precisely NOTHING @Ziggi: Any comment? |
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12th January 2019, 09:28 AM | #909 |
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FTFY. Well, you don't know if he's ashamed. His recent silence makes me think he could be.
Edit: Not to mention breaking the premise under which the money was collected in the first place: to give the samples to an independent lab, to avoid confirmation biasWP. Edit 2: But the funds have been spent(Up and down, by Vengaboys) |
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Even for complete idiots like me it's obvious now that this is nothing but a scam at this point.
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13th January 2019, 05:52 AM | #911 |
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Does anyone think that perhaps Basile believed the rubbish about nano thermite and was going to prove it and discovered early on it was BS after he had taken money and rather that tell the truth... and refund the money, he just kept silent? Did he have any obligation to perform or prove etc. or return the money if he couldn't or didn't?
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13th January 2019, 10:23 AM | #913 |
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Yes.
According to his August 2014 "update", the last one that documented any actual progress and that he wrote himself, he was ten about to wrap up selecting suitable red-gray chips - implying he had red-gray chips then. The idea was to send them to an independent lab and see what they say the chips are, and report truthfully the results. The only excuse he could have had to not send samples to one or more labs and thus spend the money was if he didn't have any samples, i.e. if there were no red-gray chips in his dust to be found. But since he obviously had found chips already four and a half years ago, that excuse is not available. He may have destroyed or lost all chips in the meantime, sure, but that would not be an excuse, it would aggravate the wrong-doing. It would raise the question: When and how did he destroy the evidence? And of course he'd be liable for $5000's worth of laboratory work. @Ziggi: Why are you covering up for the crime, the scam, the fraud, the destruction of evidence, the lies? |
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Well, as years keep passing by, the samples keep deteriorating...
This should have been done 4+ years ago. |
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59.
(Sorry, benthamitemetric, for usurping your role ) |
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Haha, damn. I slack off for a few hours and you steal my thunder. (Blame it on the government shutdown--my shill check was late!) If only Mark Basile and "Ziggi Zuggam" were as proactive as you, the sample would have been submitted 59 months ago like it should have been.
Ziggi--one month away from it being 5 YEARS since Mark stated he had the money in hand to do the testing. Will you ever feel ashamed for playing a part in this fraud and continually lying about progress for so long? No one, not even any truther, believes you and is willing to defend you any longer. |
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Correction to the above--Ziggi's username is actually Ziggi Zugam, not "Ziggi Zuggam". It's been so long since Ziggi posted new lies in defense of his old lies and fraud that I forgot how to spell his name. Ooooops.
Ziggi Zugam--are you going to emerge from hiding to celebrate the big, five-year anniversary of the start of your lies and fraud? Aren't we overdue for you again lying that you have been in touch with Mark and claiming that progress is just a few more months away? Are you ever going to return the money to the donors? It's understandable why you don't want to stick your head out again, but it's not like merely staying silent fixes your previous fraud and lies; it actually just perpetuates them and makes you look worse. |
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Well done for sticking with this monthly reminder, benthamitemetric. I don't believe it was a fraud to start with, but it quite clearly is now (most likely IMO is that they did the tests and got the 'wrong' results) and now all involved just want it to go away by staying silent. I really can't see any other possible explanation at this point. And to paraphrase Godfrey Jones in The Simpsons, their silence only incriminates them further.
Maybe this should be a pinned thread in this section? |
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