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According to RW, the "perpetrators" were:
1. The mob 2. Fidel Castro 3. Right-Wing Anti-Castro groups 4. The CIA 5. 6. The USSR (because they brainwashed Oswald)/ The KGB (because Oswald worked for them! ) 7. Charles Harrelson 8. Lyndon Johnson 9. The Democratic Party (because Kennedy was a Conservative!!11!!) 10. A cabal that wanted to expand the Vietnam war 11. T. Casey Brennan 12. Discordians 13. Kennedy's Driver 14. A Secret Service Agent 15. Joseph Milteer 16. Kennedy himself 17. Future Kennedy (not kidding) 18. ALIENS!!1!! 19. Illuminati And since this is the JFK thread, let's add all the ****** theories that exist aswell (for jiggs & giggles): 1. Oswald made the shot; however he had some group providing logistics. 2. The mafia was behind it, as payback for JFK sleeping with their mistresses and his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, cracking down on organized crime after they allegedly helped them win Illinois in the 1960 election. Alternatively, they did it because JFK went too easy on Fidel Castro, which cost the mob revenues from Cuban casinos. 3. Right-wing anti-Castro groups were behind it, as payback for the botched 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion. 4. Fidel Castro himself was behind it, in retaliation for the Bay of Pigs invasion or numerous assassination attempts from the CIA. 5. The CIA, or a rogue faction of CIA agents and private wingnut activists was behind it. 6. The government of Israel and Mossad were behind it, because Kennedy opposed Israel's nuclear weapon development programs. 7. The Soviet Union brainwashed Oswald during his time in the USSR and programmed him to do it. That or he was recruited by the KGB to do it. Or the KGB sent a double in his place. Or... 8. The Democrats assassinated Kennedy because he was a Conservative. People like Mary Lou Bruner believe this. 9. Woody Harrelson's estranged father, Charles Harrelson was behind it. 10. Lyndon Johnson was behind the assassination. (Due to LBJ's personality and style, this is the one that manages to get the most fanfare.) 11. Kennedy was assassinated because he had attempted to restore the printing of paper money by the U.S. Treasury rather than the Federal Reserve bank (a favorite theory of Paulbots). 12. Kennedy was assassinated by a cabal who wanted to expand the Vietnam War, because he was about to pull U.S. troops out. 13. Some focus more on the theory that there was a second gunman at the grassy knoll and, again, Oswald being a "patsy" rather than trying to ascribe any broader conspiratorial motive. 14. T. Casey Brennan did it, or so he says. This claim is just one ingredient of his mighty chick-magnetism. 15. Principia Discordia author Kerry Thornley was Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in the Marines in 1959, so there is a Discordianism connection to the assassination. 16. Kennedy shot first. 17. The driver shot Kennedy. This one is thought to be a parody since there would be millions of people seeing JFK being shot. Unfortunately, it isn't. 18. Oswald shot Kennedy through the neck and a Secret Service agent in the following car accidentally shot him in the head raising his rifle to return fire (the third casing by Oswald was used to keep the chamber of his rifle clean). 19. Oswald was a patsy and Joseph Milteer, a right-winger associated with extremist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and who was under surveillance for threatening to kill the president, had arranged or participated in the assassination. Some believe Milteer was part of a conspiracy masterminded by the Papacy which involved the U.S. Intelligence communities and remnants of the Third Reich brought over during Operation Paperclip. 20. Kennedy arranged it all as an elaborate suicide. 21. Kennedy was killed by a version of himself from the future, because otherwise it would cause WWIII. 22. Kennedy survived and was replaced by a double "they" buried instead, alien abducted, still secretly running things from behind the scenes along with his family, the "curse" being a huge smokescreen, died in a mental institution as a vegetable from the brain damage... take your pick. 23. Kennedy was shot in the head in Dallas but survived thanks to the government putting a metal plate in his head, they then dyed his skin brown and put him in a nursing home to live out the rest of his days as the senile old man no one believes. After this he meets Elvis Presley (who everyone thinks is actually just an Elvis impersonator, mainly because this Elvis was bored of being Elvis so he went and swapped places with an Elvis impersonator)and they go on a quest to kill a resurrected mummy who is sometimes referred to as Bubba ho-tep. (lolwut?) |
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Only Champion Joe Lansdale really got it right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_Ho-Tep Bubba Ho-Tep is a 2002 American comedy horror film written, co-produced and directed by Don Coscarelli. It stars Bruce Campbell as Elvis Presley—now a resident in a nursing home. The film also stars Ossie Davis as Jack, a black man who claims to be John F. Kennedy, explaining that he was patched up after the assassination, dyed black, and abandoned. It is based on novella of the same name by Joe R. Lansdale, which originally appeared in the anthology The King Is Dead: Tales of Elvis Post-Mortem. Originally the film was "roadshowed" by the director across the country. Only 32 prints were made and circulated around various film festivals, though these garnered critical success. By the time it was released on DVD, it had already achieved cult status due to positive reviews, lack of access, and inclusion of (and similar on-the-road hard work by) Campbell. |
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You forgot to mention the Brits. The alleged motive being that Kennedy was going to force the British to leave Northern Ireland.
Or, alternatively, the IRA, because Kennedy was not going to force the British to leave Northern Ireland. |
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Yeah, the comminuted fractures around the large defect were so extensive that any small defect that could have existed near the large defect would become separated during the head examination. I don't know why you bring that up like it helps you, because forensic pathologist Dr. Finck arrived late to the autopsy after the top of the skull had already been opened wide enough to facilitate brain removal, but he repeatedly described examining the small head wound as an undisturbed perforation in the back of the empty skull. This indicates a lower wound than you are postulating.
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Manifesto blaimed yet he was not annoying unlike the bunch here
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He did not blaim yet. He hardly blaimed at all.
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He clearly defied the rules and the moderators guidelines after his suspension, read the post by Darat.
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Asked and answered. This is still a fringe reset by you.
The autopsy report details exactly what cuts were made to the head. This too has been covered in detail in the previous iterations of this thread, and continue to be ignored by you. Two cuts in the coronal plane. That's it. Nobody cares what the doctors remembered doing 33 years later when they testified to the ARRB. But that autopsy report doesn't support your fantasy about a conspiracy so you ignore it. The autopsy itself - prepared on the weekend of the asssassination - tells you the cuts made. So of course you ignore that as well and go with the recollections from decades later. Hank |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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No. They never said anything of a sort.
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You choose to ignore this simple fact because it proves you're wrong. Even worse, you quote both Finck and Humes' testimonies in both the AARB and Garrison Trials out of context. You didn't know what an RN was, and yet you presume to interpret pathology? The outline of the cut on your skull is wrong. You clearly do not, cannot, or refuse to understand what has been spoon fed to you here regarding the facts of this case. You have yet to demonstrate that a 6.5x52mm Carcano round in incapable of causing the damage seen to JFK. You have failed to show how Oswald could not have made the shots. You have yet to reveal where you think your second gunman's position was in Dealey Plaza, nor have you produced a viable silenced weapon that could have made the shot you claim struck the President. Let me save you some time: You can't and you never will. The truth you claim to seek is this: Oswald shot JFK from the 6th floor of the TSBD with is Carcano all by his lonesome. I should add that you have posted photos where the skull at the forehead has obviously been sawed open. |
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I think you are having trouble differentiating the scalp from the skull. The autopsy report has a passage stating "The scalp wounds are extended in the coronal plane to examine the cranial content and the customary (Y) shaped incision is used to examine the body cavities". The examination of the cranial content was described more by Humes in his WC Testimony, who said that "virtually no" sawing of the skull was required.
The autopsy pathologists have mentioned that they made a special incision low in the scalp to exposed the EOP wound, which was not exposed by the previous, regular scalp incisions for reflection over top of skull. For the smaller incision to disect the EOP wound, the scalp would be reflected to the left. From Dr. Pierre Finck's Clay Shaw trial testimony: A: As I recall, the brain had been removed. Dr. Humes told me that to remove the brain he did not have to carry out the procedure you carry out when there is no wound in the skull. The wound was of such an extent, over five inches in diameter, that it was not of a great difficulty for him to remove this brain, and this is the best of my recollection. There were no removals of the wound of entry in the back of the neck, no removal of the wound of entry in the back of the head prior to my arrival, and I made a positive identification of both wounds of entry. At this time I might, for the sake of clarity, say that in the autopsy report we may have called the first wound the one in the head and the second wound the one in the neck, because we did not know the sequence of shots at that time. Again, the sequence of shots was determined by the Zapruder film, so what we did, we determined the entry of the bullet wound and stated that there were two bullet wounds, one in the back of the neck and the other in the back of the head, without giving a sequence. From the HSCA interview with Humes and Boswell: Dr. PETTY. What is this opposite--oh, it must be, I can't read it--but up close to the tip of the ruler, there you are two centimeters down. Dr. BOSWELL. It's the posterior-inferior margin of the lacerated scalp. Dr. PETTY. That's the posterior-inferior margin of the lacerated scalp? Dr. BOSWELL. It tore right down to that point. And then we just folded that back and this back and an interior flap forward and that exposed almost the entire--I guess we did have to dissect a little bit to get- Dr. HUMES. To get to this entrance, right? Dr. BOSWELL. But not much, because this bone was all gone and actually the smaller fragment fit this piece down here...... From Dr. Finck's interview with the HSCA: Dr. PETTY. All right. Let me ask you one other question. In order to expose that area where the wound was present in the bone, did you have to or did someone have to dissect the I scalp off of the bone in order to show this? Dr. FINCK. Yes. Dr. PETTY. Was this a difficult dissection and did it go very low into the head so as to expose the external aspect of the posterior cranial fascia? Dr. FINCK. I don't remember the difficulty involved in separating the scalp from the skull but this was done in order to have a clear view of the outside and inside to show the crater from the inside. Dr. BADEN. Do you recall specifically that some dissection was done in the area? Dr. FINCK. To free the skull from the scalp, to separate the scalp from the skull. Dr. BADEN. Yes. Dr. FINCK. Yes. I don't know who did that. I don't know the difficulty involved but the scalp is adherent to the skull and it had to be separated from it in order to show in the back of the head the wound in the bone. |
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Repeating your claims from a year ago don't make them more true.
Yep. Ignore it all you want. What other incisions or cuts are mentioned? Yep. Where does it mention any cuts to the skull in the autopsy report? Can you quote that for me? How many years / decades after the fact did they first start talking about sawing the skull? Yep... consistent with the autopsy report that says only two coronal plane cuts to the scalp were all that were necessary for the cranial content (i.e., the brain) to be examined. Exactly as I've been telling you since you brought this up. You just quoted Finck saying there was no sawing, to the best of his recollection. And the autopsy report mentions none. This says nothing about where any cuts to the skull were, or if there even were any. Nor is it clear when they use the word 'dissect' they are talking about bone only. And if the bone 'was all gone' in that area, there was nothing for them to saw. I'm unclear why you're quoting this, as it doesn't establish sawing at all. The skull had lost much of its integrity because of all the comminuted fractures it suffered. Two coronal plane incisions were made in the scalp and that was sufficient to peel the scalp and the adhering skull back and expose the brain. They removed the brain that way. Separate from that, and what is being described directly above, is they had a wound of entrance in the back of the head in the scalp and a wound through the underlying skull in the same place. They separated the scalp from the skull in that area "and it had to be separated from it in order to show in the back of the head the wound in the bone." Exactly as I described to you multiple times a year ago. The answer will be the same next year at this time, five years from now, and a hundred years after we're both dead. The facts don't change just because you don't like them. And your fringe reset doesn't start the discussion anew. All it establishes is that you still have nothing, and you don't even know what you're quoting, or why. Some of the stuff you quote establishes in plain English your arguments are wrong, and you don't even realize that. Hank |
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Will there ever be a CTist of substance rather than endless fringe resets?
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No, there won't be. This is because the worldview of conspiracy theorists is so warped that it can never be reconciled with the real world. Their minds become fragmented as they try desperately to reconcile conflicting ideas and theories. As such, they are either unable to accept realities, or they have to distort them to fit them into their worldview. If they cannot do this, they will handwave them away. Eventually the mish-mash of conflicting ideas is so great that they can no longer function. In many respects, they are like a Windows computer, which, if it runs for long enough, eventually slows down and will no longer function correctly. The only way out at that point, is a reboot (the fringe reset). manifesto and micahjava have conflicting and irreconcilable aspects of their respective theories. Some time back, they were both posting at the same time. It was the best entertainment I have had on a forum in a long time, watching the two of them trying desperately not to tread on each other's toes. |
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The HSCA story on the cranium photos is in the garbage. If anybody who grasps the issue has an argument to the contrary, speak now of forever hold your peace.
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1. What is the HSCA story on the cranium photos?
2. What is your qualification to assert that their story is garbage? 3. Have you seen all of the autopsy photos? The only reason I ask is because the original pathologists didn't get to see the photos until 1966 when they signed off on them, and the number people who have reviewed all of the photographs and x-rays is small. All of the people who have reviewed the photographs, x-ray, and other autopsy materials at the National Archives are medical professionals, and only one of them had a problem with the official results. No one has yet demonstrated that a single 6.5x52mm Carcano round was incapable of causing the damage seen in Kennedy's head wound. Ballistic testing PROVED that the wound was almost exclusive to the Carcano. This is why you fail. |
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So who killed JFK besides Lee Harvey Oswald, Lee Oswald, LH Oswald, Mr. Oswald, LHO, L Oswald, or “Lee?”
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Two other potential suspects whose actions lead to the murder:
JFK - He insisted on not having the bubble-top placed on the limo. He wanted to visible to the public. God - There were thunder storms in the Dallas area the day of the assassination, and had it been raining when the President landed at Love Field the bubble top would have been in place. But the sun was out. As far as I know, God is still at large. |
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