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21st September 2017, 01:52 AM | #241 |
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Lie. It is common denialist tactic to lie that there is no other evidence that mass murder took place. They do that so they can cope with the cognitive dissonance of there really being no evidence for their belief millions were transited back out of the AR camps and resettled by the Nazis, until they were liberated by the Allies.
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Morgen wished to investigate murders in the camps, which he had learned of in his various inquiries, and did so to some extent, only to be - as noted above - subjected to a tirade from Gestapo Müller and eventually reassigned by Himmler.
Referring at the Pohl-WVHA trial in Nuremberg to the meeting in which Müller went ballistic on him, Morgen - asked to tell whether Müller had been surprised when told of the extermination policy against the Jews - explained that Müller had in fact been "surprised to hear about the illegal executions in the concentration camps." But Morgen added that Müller
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I must share with readers that some years ago, vigorously denying mass murder at Majdanek and in the Einsatz Reinhard program during discussion of Morgen at AHF, Saggy wrote of Globocnik - and I kid you not - "So, this is quite a character, and I had never heard of him." In the same thread, Saggy also wrote, "this is the first time I've read anything about Belzec." Unsurprisingly, Saggy's ignorance of basic facts did not stop him from pontificating at length about Majdanek and Einsatz Reinhard and "ENTIRELY WORTHLESS" testimonies and evidence about the Nazi camps. |
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.. Thanks for sharing. But, it's a little suprising that you'd bring up my prior comments on Majdanek, the one camp I've visited, by chance before I was a denier, since the hoax has completely collapsed there, as even the hasbara can see but won't admit ...... I suppose you could call my earlier remarks prescient .... |
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Morgen's career demolishes the holohoax. And his testimony is a slightly weird bag, but deniers love it. Morgen was tortured and threatened at Nuremberg to implicate Isla(?) Koch, but refused. He testified that Buchenwald was a great place to be with many amenities (I'm not going to look it up right now), and he testified that there was a Jewish wedding party at one of the Reinhard camps.
Then his testimony veered off for a bit, and he testified that the Jews were responsible for the hoax as they were the ones who implemented it, and that there were gas chambers at Monowitz. The only explanation for these absurdities is that Morgen had to give something in exchange for his life, but insisted on protecting the SS. |
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I read the condensed version. Citiing Wiernik is equivalent to citing Irene Zisblatt. And the 'crucial' eyewitnesses, Rosenberg, Meuller, Vrba & ???, are no better. Just complete idiocy.
Which, of course, is why my challenge to name one credible Jewish eyewitness and summarize/discuss their testimony, along with any corroborating testimony, and and physical or documentary evidence that supports the testimony, goes unanswered (except for link farms of course). Denierbud shows and discusses the Wiernik references in Hilberg in his long suppressed but now back on line vid,.... One Third of the Holohoax |
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Yeah what about Rudolf Höss?
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How about you stop being dishonest with your "interpretation" of testimony and give a direct link to Morgen's own words?
EDIT: Unsurprisingly that's not what Morgen actually said at all. Shocker. https://forum.axishistory.com//viewt...?p=50653#50653 |
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More dishonesty. Tell us the number of Jews said by Hilberg in 1961 to have been murdered at Majdanek.
You don't want to debate Majdanek with me. Just sayin'. Even more than you don't like debating other aspects of the Holocaust with me. Btw when he gave up on denial Black Rabbit of Inle - who went so far as to make a dishonest and error filled video about me on Majdanek - came to accept that gassing of Jews occurred there in the bunker north of building no. 41. He also gave up on Eric Hunt's botched account of the bathhouses and bunker. |
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As a matter of fact a single photo will never make an evidence. The problem for you is that there is much more than a single photo. There are hundreds of photos (and even movie footage) much more explicit that this one which clearly show mass murders. If this would not be enough there are also thousands of nazis documents who show beyond any reasonable doubt that the nazis have mass murdered millions of Jews. And the mass graves that can still be found in Ukraine, Belarus and other placeS. To which one can also add the radio communications of the Orndnungspolizei and other SS units (including the Einsatzkommandos) intercepted during the war by the Brits which confirm that there were mass murders on the East front. Finally all these material evidences are confirmed by numerous testimonies of victims, executioners and other witnesses.
If you had just a little bit knowledge of the History you would know that. But all what you have managed to achieve so far is to prove us that you are an ignorant idiot. |
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I don't want to debate anything with you ! However, you're practically the only non-zero content poster among the hoaxers, so, I gotta live with it, otherwise I'd be talking to myself !
But, there is no more hoax at Majdanek, the numbers for the museum and the 'revisionists' are about the same. What do you know, they used the camp records and came up with comparable numbers. Nothing to debate unless you want to come with a few idiotic lies out of pure habit. The only bad news for the deniers is that we can't point out the absurdity of the hoax gas chamber at Majdanek. Another gas chamber with a window, not to mention openings for the DeGesch(?) fumigation equipment, not to mentions a gas chamber withing a gas chamber. Totally dissected by Hunt in his Majdanek vid. There is way too much data at Auschwitz too, and the records are now public, so the hoax there is on its last legs. All you got left is Wiernik and the Reinhard camps ...... |
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Saggy, what about Rudolf Höss?
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The degenerate absurdity of the hoax is well illustrated by Hoess's torture and 'confession'.
Hoess was by his own account the grand architect of the hoax, working with Eichmann to find a method of killing the Jews, etc. Yet he was not tried at Nuremberg, he testified as a defense witness ! How freaking absurd can it get? At the trial his affidavit was read into the record in which he 'confessed' to gassing 2 million Jews and killing another .5 mill by other means. Here is what he wrote about the affidavit after the trial ... "I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. The whip was my own. By chance it had found its way into my wife's luggage. My horse had hardly ever been touched by it, much less the prisoners. Somehow one of the interrogators probably thought that I had constantly used it to whip the prisoners." The fact that Hoess's 'testimony' is still cited as evidence of the hoax indicates the chutzpah and total depravity of the hoax establishment. These people are liars the likes of which the world has never seen. |
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The Höss almost-discussion reminds me that Saggy owes us an account of the torture of the Einsatzgruppen trial defendants.
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Done. Weeks ago.
Indeed there was a link to something I wrote for HC blog. Yes, you'd have to be willing to know about Krzepicki and Rabinwoicz - or to read that piece - to have anything to say about their testimonies. No, you don't want to hear which witnesses people posting here find valuable and why - which must be why you refuse to discuss Krzepicki and Rabinowicz or even read what I've said about them. |
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Evidence: the available body of facts or information which, when presented, Saggy persistently refuses to acknowledge, let alone discuss
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Punchlines from above:
First, the Majdanek gas chamber window: Thanks to Denying History, who posts at SSF for this one:
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D-H also has posted this photo of the same chamber "with the light off": Second: Hilberg's estimated Majdanek Jewish death toll I asked Saggy for Hilberg's 1961 estimate for the Jewish death toll at Majdanek. Saggy didn't answer - Hilberg's estimate ruins the misleading story he tried to tell with a graph which omitted Hilberg's estimate - or any estimates of Jewish deaths. So what did Hilberg calculate in 1961 as the number of Jewish deaths at Majdanek? minimum 50,000. Similar to the estimate of Scheffler (1985) 50-60,000. But a little lower than what the museum today estimates as the Jewish death toll: rounded to 60,000 (T. Kranz estimate, Majdanek State Museum) (Kranz's estimate for the total number of deaths at Majdanek is 79,000. I do not know that Hilberg made an estimate of the total number of deaths at the camp. Marszalek 1994, who badly overestimated the total death toll in the camp, estimated 80,000 Jewish deaths.) There's no doubt that there has been disagreement over the death toll at Majdanek, including the number of Jewish deaths; there is also no doubt, however, that there has not been a steady progression of lower estimates of the latter - rather, there have been disagreement and research to resolve that disagreement. The museum's current estimate of 60,000 Jewish death includes gassing and shooting killings described in Kranz's book, The Extermination of Jews at Majdanek Concentration Camp. Finally, Saggy's "revisionist" number is universally rejected, with Kranz estimating about double that number of total deaths at Majdanek. |
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