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30th May 2018, 11:12 AM | #81 |
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Nope. JFK expanded the CIA in many areas including domestic surveillance, which included attempted manipulation of the news and print medias.
RFK ran the CIA's Mongoose operations directly.
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JFK enacted no laws from his personal agenda in the three years he was President. The record shows that he was the least productive as far as legislation in concerned. Part of this stems from his barely winning office, he didn't feel like he had a mandate to do much. That's why he didn't stop the Bay of Pigs. He was an inspiring speaker, and looked good on TV, and knew how to bluff the Russians, but that was it. |
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Proof?
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He is mentally ill, probably has been for a long time, and should be institutionalized.
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In secret using the CIA in manipulating the media? Show me.
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= The Order Of The Templar Knights = Freemasons = Gaymafia = "Them" = "They" = Shape shifting lizards = Barack Saddam Osama Barry Hussein Bin Laden Soetoro Obama, the half Indonesian, half Kenyian actor = The KKKlinton Killer Family = Killary KKKlinton = Bengazi = 9/11 = Jade Helm 15 =FEMA Death Camps = fake moonlandings = Evil NASA = Fake Holocaust = The inventor of the wheel being a stage actor, hired by some Stone Age MIB's = Transhumanism = Illuminati = Kyoon revealing Patrick Stewart being the leader of The Illuminati.
Looking at this ****, would reveal that 90 % of the planet is in league of a seriously vast conspiracy aka a unified Conspiracy. This is not how the world works!!!!!! |
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The beast with many names. Sounds familiar.
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You forgot = The Men's Room at Grand Central Station.
The strategy meetings for this conspiracy must take up the world's largest convention center, and by the time everyone's had their say all the events they are planning will have been bypassed. |
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I was eight years old when JFK was killed. I was twelve when RFK was killed. I was in Colorado during both assassinations. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I don't know who Mick Jagger was referencing as "you" in "you and me", but it wasn't me. You can't pin this one on me, Mick.
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For someone who likes to accuse non-believers in his conspiracy theories of not living in the real world, I find manifesto's naive belief that the Kennedys were some kind of saints amusing. They were politicians. JFK especially was a cold warrior, and the process that led to the Vietnam war was well underway during his presidency. Of course, there is no way of knowing if he was smart enough to avoid the disastrous decisions made by LBJ had he survived, but my guess is that he would not have. While I don't think the Kennedys were more evil than other politicians of that era, I don't see any reason to think they were less so. The Soviets certainly weren't playing nice, and it seems that the Kennedys felt that we couldn't afford to play nice either. They were likely right about that.
As for Vietnam, Johnson took the worse course possible. He took us to war, but did so in a manner that gave us no chance of winning. Far better to have avoided the war |
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Not a saint. A decent man who tried to do good for all Americans and for the downtrodden in the post colonial world.
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When in power, he showed his real ideology and vision which runned contrary to the whole cold war National Security establisment in Washington, Wall Street and Langley. Look at his track record. Diplomacy, not armed conflict. Every time.
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He was well on his way doing just that.
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Gullible. He was hardcore Cold War.
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It would seem that way. I often wonder about (if Manifesto is American) why such a person is not in an armed rebellion if he thinks everything in America is run by a murderous criminal conspiracy. AND he's telling everyone about their plans and they do nothing about it...... Puzzling.....lol
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I’m not American, but have American relatives who have mostly the same view of the US National Security State as I have.
USA ≠ US National Security State. Lets hope that it not have to come to an armed revolution. That the American people can reclaim its country, restore the constitution and ban legalized beltway corruption in other ways. Taking back the power stolen from them by the top one percent of the top one percent, without open armed revolution. Hope. |
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Well, there you go- CT as ideology (veering into religion), along with the test for ideological purity, that anyone who disagrees with it must be part of it or just plain ignorant. McCarthy would have been proud...
Gotta admit, I'm a little disappointed (though I can't say totally surprised). I mean, you seem like an intelligent person with a pretty good command of the material; and I thought it was pretty upright of you when you admitted you weren't right about something (Lodge being the only one who knew where Diem and his brother were hiding). I've no idea how old you are, but haven't you learned yet that intelligent people can look at the same facts as you and come to different conclusions from them? (Channeling old Abe there a little, I think) And the sneering at someone who disagrees with you as, essentially, "no true skeptic" is also silly. Skepticism begins at home, meaning you start with questioning your own conclusions before starting on anyone else's. Every time you demand that people "cite the relevant parts. Explain. Argue for its veracity," and follow it with "I neither can or should do it for you," you miss the point of skepticism by a mile- that you need to read the cites in their entireties for yourself. Otherwise, you look like the creationist or flat-earther who cringes from confronting the whole of the evidence against their ideas because that whole threatens them. Nobody but you can test your ideas for yourself- only you know what it would take to admit to yourself error. |
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So your 'plan' or hope is that in some magical way the conspiracy you believe exists and which kills Presidents and other politicians and makes billions doing this and that will just throw up it hands, say sorry and do what exactly?
The political power in the US has always been moreso in the hands of the powerful than the weak. I believe you will find that trying to construct some from of 'de-powering of money' will run afoul of freedom of speech and creative slide of hand. If completely removed this would mean that very rich people would be able to garner power even further as poorer people would be unable to obtain enough money to run for office. So why are you alive and uncensored by the way? |
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Well said. I deal with Archaeology CT all the time and for them the elephant in the room is always the concept of consilience (also convergence of evidence or concordance of evidence) is their mind killer. They of course ignore it and try to focus on trivia and 'opinions' and especially the tyranny of 'possibilities'.
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Admonishing goes both ways; for you to put the complete responsibility on manifesto is single visioned. You can go back in this thread and it is the "debunkers" who make the snide comments without moving the topic forward. It is a "debunker" who is calling manifesto a "neo nazi"... yet, that goes untouched as your focus is on manifesto's use of having his critics cite passages instead of just posting the articles. Credibility can only be earned when a person is consistent; manifesto's actions are steady and as you stated he/she will admit when they are incorrect... the same cannot be said about some "debunkers".
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The phrase "National Security State" was coined by Neo-Nazis on American podcasts. It's one of the Alt-Right's dog whistles.
If he was a true liberal fighting fascism he'd know that he'd know that. We post links because there are board rules about posting long passages, and in the case of history it is much more beneficial to read the original material in its context for better understanding. Finally, he hijacked the thread. |
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The evidence of a conspiracy and a cover up of the assassination of RFK are if at all possible, even more obvious than the same for his older brother. It’ll take time to go through all of it but be sure that I will, if not banned.
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The thing is. If someone reads an article that is claiming to refute this and that, this same ”someone” has to understand it in order to see if that is really the case. IF this someone understands the paper, he/she should have no problems in explaining the critical data, methods and conclusions and make his/her case. That is how it works. It is not the opponent who shall do this for him/her. That is plain nuts. Example. There is an argument I make for CIA sanctioning the assassinations of the Ngo brothers against the expressed orders of their president, JFK. If you in turn have issues with any of my statements, you correct them and/or request that I substantiate them with sources and maybe quotes from these if deemed proper. Imagine me posting a couple of links to x number of books and suggests that you should read them and ”understand”. Would you like that?
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