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31st May 2018, 11:52 AM | #121 |
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And yet you do this all the time, or worse, post a Youtube video.
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RFK junior is just following in the footsteps of the Martin Luther King family,who has been pushing crackpot conspiracy theories about the murder of MLK for years....
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Yep that agrees with what I was trying to explain to manifesto. He is complaining about money in politics but money has been in politics since the git go. I believe all the signers of the Constitution would have been considered wealthy or powerful men in their own time frame. I cannot speak to who was in President Washington's cabinet but I suspect they would be wealthy or powerful men of their time also.
His cabinet consisted of John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, Henry Knox and Edmund Randolph with John Adams as VP. |
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If you get banned, it won't be because of what you believe, but because of the way you may express the belief, contrary to an MA that works as much for you as it could against you. Calling people "ignorant" when they don't agree with you is the way to ensure the latter, not the former.
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I'll admit I'm not as familiar with the RFK assassination as you are- I've read a couple of books, but I don't consider myself familiar enough with the subject to have a definite opinion on it. As far as JFK's, it might surprise you to know that I was once a pretty committed believer in a conspiracy, that Oswald was innocent. What turned me away from that was, ironically, reading David Lifton's Best Evidence, not so much the ridiculous body-snatching theory itself as the way it became obvious to me he'd arrived at it- by simply ignoring the consilient body of evidence, cherry-picking his way to a conclusion that had no regard at all for anything that might contradict his scenario. I didn't, at the time (my early 20's) know the name of the concept, but it was clear enough from its absence in his thinking.
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31st May 2018, 02:14 PM | #127 |
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He's an Anti-Vaccination guy:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...cine-science1/ That's more than enough. |
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31st May 2018, 02:55 PM | #128 |
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I’m not debating in vacuum and I’m no robot. For every insult I give there is 20 more coming my way.
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And, most important, that they acted against the explicit orders from JFK. If you disagree, feel free to counter with information speaking against my contention. (There is more)
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Maybe if an argument is so complex that I must have a deeper look at the actual science in the context of the paper, I’ll do so, but not before my opponent at least try to convey its findings and show that he/she have grasped the essence of it. An example. The HSCA acoustic evidence have been attacked from day one and continued to be attacked up to this very day. I have read most of it, and nothing of it stand up to scrutiny. Still, I need to know why the opponent who invoke one or more of these ”debunkings” find it/them true. I can’t do that for them. They have to explain with specific reference to it in order for me to respond in a comprehensive manner. I surely can’t guess what the opponent find so convincing, could I?
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He did one good thing, though. He opened up the at the time unthinkable possibilty that maybe there is reason to not take the medical evidence at face value. That said, I’m not sure if one bad apple is enough to discard the whole basket. For me the road have been the contrary. The book that turned me around from mainstream ’skepticism’ was this one: https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakab...why+it+matters Especially the part on ”why it matters”.
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31st May 2018, 04:36 PM | #129 |
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Well, there's this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=325634 And this: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=302892 And this: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=286164 And this: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=244726 |
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Now the Pearl Harbor crap.
Manifesto apparently never met a conspiracy theory he did not buy into... |
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Oh, look! Manifesto has someone who agrees with him!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ennedy-it.html |
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Brad Johnson worked for CNN when discovering the tape recording which contains proof of two pistols being fired in the pentry where RFK got assassinated.
That said, US MSM is the monolithic propaganda organ for the US Security State so I would be very careful with information coming from any of its present or former presstitutes. Double and tripple check everything. |
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Another child of RFK supporting a new investigation of the assassination of her father.
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, the former lieutenant governor of Maryland, told the Globe this week that she supports a new investigation, joining her brother Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who revealed last weekend that he visited convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan in prison and believes someone else killed RFK.Boston Globe: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...n6N/story.html Hope. |
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Er why would this be hope? In your vision of the world the evil National security state controls everything. How will a new investigation actually work then?
Wouldn't any new evidence be destroyed? Wouldn't any new witness be killed? Have you thought this through? Why would the super efficient and evil NSS suddenly throw up it hands and be nice now? By the way who is the leader of the NSS? |
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I don't, by default, believe anything that is published in the Daily Flail.... its a gutter rag with questionable editorial and reporting practices. ("UFO Lands in Hyde Park" is a classic example).
What I do is copy a substantial piece of the text from a story, and Google search to see if the same exact story has been put out on the AP wire or published in another, more reputable source (e.g. WAPO, WSJ, NYT, Politico), one that fact checks before going to press (a legacy term). If I find the exact same story on one of those more reputable sources, I am more inclined to believe the story. If not, I dismiss it. At the time I posted, there was no other paper carrying this story "as writ" so I dismissed it as conspiraloon bollocks. |
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You are as usual off base by a mile or two. No, this is another article in the Daily mail about the fact that RFKjr wants the assassination of his father reinvestigated. The article you are referring to is in The Boston Globe reporting that his sister wants the same. A reinvestigation of the assassination of her father, RFK.
But I like the slant in the BG article. ”Kennedy Children Divided”, not the real news, ”Kennedy Children Wants the Truth”. It is called, spin. |
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Oh, the irony. You cite the Daily Fail article as 'the real news'. Really?
Who wrote that article, Manifesto? Tim Tate and Brad Johnson. Who wrote the book that the article is about? Oh, look! By an astonishing coincidence, it's Tim Tate and Brad Johnson. That article is not journalism: it's advertising. Do you honestly expect the two authors of the book to give an unbiased critique of their work? Which of those two papers is more likely to put a spin on the story? Next time, old chap, check your sources. In fact, it's probably best to double, or even 'tripple' (sic) check them. Always good to be accurate, don't you think? |
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It was not me who posted the link to the Daily Mail article, and the news that RFKjr wants a new investigation did I not get from there. I already knew this.
I posted a link to a Boston Globe article cointaining the news that also a daughter of RFK, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, wants a new investigation. That was ”real news” to me. Noting that the headline says - ”RFK’s children divided over calls for a fresh investigation of his assassination” - I conclude that it is spin on the real news which is that two of RFK’s children wants a new investigation of the assassination of their father. Do you disagree on any particular issue here or are you just whining about as usual? Be specific. |
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