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You appear to have missed my request for you to back up this assertion with evidence, and have chosen instead to repeat the claim, still without evidence.
If you look at the sources in the wiki article, you will find several mentions of RFK conspiracy theories being published in books and newspapers, as early as 1970. For the second time of asking: on what are you basing this claim that the MSM has only recently started reporting this side of the event? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...iracy_theories |
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I’m not saying that the issue of a possible conspiracy in the case of the RFK assassination has NEVER been discussed in a MSM outlet, I’m saying that the number of outlets and the in the way it is discussed is new and gives hope to all of us who cares about truth and justice.
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Actually, yes you are.
Your concern for truth and justice would be a lot more credible if you were more honest in your posts, and if you stopped judging people guilty without any corroborating evidence. You could start by acknowledging that the media has been covering all aspects of this case from the beginning. |
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If anyone hasn't had the chance yet, there is an excellent retrospective on Bobby Kennedy on Netflix that discusses the assassination of both he and his brother, as well as other elements of his life. They show interviews that occurred the day of the assassination featuring conspiracy theories, like the woman with the polka dot dress.
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It’s is a well known method used by people like you to pick on a trivial detail, ambigous formulation, honest mistake and run with it. Bog down the issue in endless semantics, everything BUT the real issue.
I insist that I haven’t read anything near this much from MSM in such a short time and as fair and balanced. Your driplets of articles from a very long period of time doesn’t refute my conclusion that this is really so and says nothing in the way of balanced/not balanced content. As someone else said in a post, it could be the 50th annivarsery that explains this new reporting. Add to that the fact that two of RFK’s children publicly demands a new investigation and this is probably the main reason why. Lets wait and see. You’re the one dishonest and it’s pretty obvious for a not sectarian mind that you have very little regard for truth and justice. On the contrary. |
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Yes it has, but that doesn’t explain the balanced and correct way they are covering the subject.
But, I guess that the patriots in the US National Security State will gear in to damage control mode and do something about it. Tyranny in the service of justice and freedom. |
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New review of the medical records in the RFK assassination:
https://gizmodo.com/new-medical-anal...the-1826949062 A research team from Duke University School of Medicine, led by Jordan M. Komisarow, reviewed a number of sources while conducting its review, including eyewitness accounts, various medical records, and the autopsy report itself. In the final analysis, the authors say there’s nothing more doctors could have done to save Kennedy’s life, despite a 45-minute delay in getting the senator to the hospital. RFK was treated according to the medical standards of the time, including an emergency craniotomy similar to ones performed today. And importantly, the autopsy report corroborates eyewitness accounts, dispelling a conspiracy theory that suggests more than one gunman was involved in the shooting. Link to the study: http://thejns.org/doi/full/10.3171/2...18294#abstract |
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The majority of the witnesses said that Sirhans pistol wasn’t closer than ca 3 - 4 feet. One witness said it was ca 1 feet, but even if it was just one feet nor the distance or the trajectories are compatible with the autopsy findings.
4 shots fired from behind with a steep upwards trajectory at a distance of at most three inches according to the powder burns on the skin around the entrance wound behind the right ear. So, no, the report you are citing does NOT show that Sirhan could have fired the shots that injured and killed RFK. There is also the fact that Sirhan fired only 2 shots before being pressed down on the table and at all time had at least one of RFK’s entourage between himself and RFK. The rest of the shots was fired when his arm was pressed down on the table. At best a poorly researched and irresponsible ’studie’ with report. At worst? |
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Someone doesn't know what a Stundie is. Not unexpected considering his usual lack of understanding.
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This is the entire witness list; names, and what they saw:
http://archives.cdn.sos.ca.gov/colle...appendix-e.pdf Yes, it's huge. Known CTists won't bother to read through it, but interested parties will find it interesting from the standpoint of the chronology of the investigation, and the fact that LAPD interviewed a lot of people through 1969. All of the documents can be found here: http://www.sos.ca.gov/archives/collections/rfk/ Again, this is for the grownups, CTists will never research actual documents. Nothing was suppressed, all of the stories CTists claimed were covered up are listed, and were all investigated. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCU2MCxjAJ0 Here's a good new documentary about Sirhan called The Real Manchurian Candidate. reccomended
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I read the studie and it’s not correct. The witnesses testimonies does not corroborate the contention that Sirhan fired the four shots that hit RFK’s clothes, body and head.
Sirhan wasn’t positioned to do this. They even state this in your ’studie’: That is why he and his new, not compromised, defense have demanded at least a new evidentiary hearing, convinced that this will show that Sirhan could not have fired the shots that hit RFK and therefore is not guilty of the actual killing. The defense is also convinced that Sirhan was under the influence of mind control and post hypnotic suggestion probably in connection with CIA’s MKUltra program. That Sirhan was a programmed patsy with an induced memory loss of both the programming and of the shooting in the pantry. All psychiatrists that have been in contact with Sirhan agree that he was/is exeptionally easy to hypnotize and that he showed/show all known signs of post hypnotic suggestion and mind control. That is why two of RFK’s children, RFKJr and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, demands a new investigation of the assassination, and why RFKJr implies that the CIA was part of it. |
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https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issu...er&tversky.htm
Stanford Law School, April 5, 1999. In a presentation sponsored by the Stanford Journal of Legal Studies, George Fisher placed Barbara Tversky’s research on memory fallibility into the context of police investigations and jury verdicts, discussing the relevance of such research to our system of justice. The bedrock of the American judicial process is the honesty of witnesses in trial. Eyewitness testimony can make a deep impression on a jury, which is often exclusively assigned the role of sorting out credibility issues and making judgments about the truth of witness statements.1 Perjury is a crime, because lying under oath can subvert the integrity of a trial and the legitimacy of the judicial system. However, perjury is defined as knowingly making a false statement—merely misremembering is not a crime.2 Moreover, the jury makes its determinations of witness credibility and veracity in secret, without revealing the reason for its final judgement.3 Recognizing the fallibility of witness memories, then, is especially important to participants in the judicial process, since many trials revolve around factual determinations of whom to believe. Rarely will a factual question result in a successful appeal—effectively giving many parties only one chance at justice. Arriving at a just result and a correct determination of truth is difficult enough without the added possibility that witnesses themselves may not be aware of inaccuracies in their testimony. Several studies have been conducted on human memory and on subjects’ propensity to remember erroneously events and details that did not occur. Elizabeth Loftus performed experiments in the mid-seventies demonstrating the effect of a third party’s introducing false facts into memory.4 Subjects were shown a slide of a car at an intersection with either a yield sign or a stop sign. Experimenters asked participants questions, falsely introducing the term "stop sign" into the question instead of referring to the yield sign participants had actually seen. Similarly, experimenters falsely substituted the term "yield sign" in questions directed to participants who had actually seen the stop sign slide. The results indicated that subjects remembered seeing the false image. In the initial part of the experiment, subjects also viewed a slide showing a car accident. Some subjects were later asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "hit" each other, others were asked how fast the cars were traveling when they "smashed" into each other. Those subjects questioned using the word "smashed" were more likely to report having seen broken glass in the original slide. The introduction of false cues altered participants’ memories. And: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-eyes-have-it/ The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall. I'll take science. |
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Wrong. The conflation was done in order to misrepresent the fact that the CIA had a real, not imagined, mind control program where research on programing assassins and/or patsies for assassinations was a clearly stated part. In it’s precursor, the ARTichoke program, they even state that the assassination of domestic American officials (i.e. presidents included) was part of its purpose.
This is not ”reptilian aliens” or ”staring at goats”, this is a proven illegal multi million dollar effort including hundreds of institutions and thousands participants over a long period of time. Luckily, some of the financial records was left after Helms and Angleton in short order got the boot and purged all the records before they left the scene. And, yes, it is a proven fact that it is possible to mind control/program a subject in a way that Sirhan is suspected to have been. No worries. |
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Jeese ... you are claiming that a scientific studie of the recorded efforts to save RFK’s life and the autopsy report shows that the contention that Sirhan fired the shots that hit RFK is CORROBARATED BY THE WITNESS TESTIMONIES.
1. No, it even says so in the study you are refering to, that the witnesses testimonies are incompatible with this contention. 2. When shown this, you are moving the goal posts completely and stating that WITNESS TESTIMONIES CAN’T BE RELIED UPON. What on earth are you doing? |
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