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This is the relevant timeline per the rifle, and there is a logical through-line:
25, January, 1963 - Oswald makes the final two payments on the State Department loan that got him back from Russia. 27, January - Oswald orders a Smith & Wesson .38 from Seaport Traders of Los Angeles, using the name A. J. Hidell, and his post office box as address, for $29.95. 9 or 10, March - Oswald takes a picture of the home of General Walker's home. 12, March - Oswald orders the Carcano from Klein's. 20, March - Oswald picks up the .38 from the offices of the Railway Express Agency in Dallas. The weapon was paid for C.O.D. 25, March - Oswald picks up the rifle from the post office. (The rifle arrived at the post office on 20, March) 31, March - Oswald has Marina take the backyard photos of him with his arsenal. 1, April - Oswald is fired from his job at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall with his final day being 6, April. At some point Oswald stashes the Carcano near the Walker residence. 10, April - Oswald attempts to kill General Walker. 14, April - Oswald retrieves his Carcano from where he stashed it after the shooting. 17, April - Oswald makes plans to move to New Orleans. 24, April - Oswald takes the bus to New Orleans. What does the suggest? Oswald had paid off a debt, and now had a little extra money. Does he start saving for a house, buy things for his wife and daughter? No, he buys guns. He doesn't buy them locally, in a state where you can still buy rifles in (some) hardware stores, not to mention pawn shops, sporting goods stores, SEARS, and dedicated gun shops. Another puzzling thing is that the .38 cost more than his Carcano, which means he could have bought the M-1 Garand, a rifle he was already trained to use, and yet he orders the Carcano. Both the .38 and M-1 would have been available in most pawn shops, and gun shops in the Dallas-Fort Worth area for less money too. In my opinion he buys the Carcano for three reasons; the first being the scope was included with the rifle, and the second reason was it was an Italian rifle making it exotic. Plus, if you recall, Italy was a hotbed of communist struggle at the time. The third reason was simple ballistics; the Carcano was a canon compared to the .762 M-1. Next, Oswald loses his job. In the decades since the assassination the US has seen far too many office shootings, and mass murders take place after the killer loses his job. Oswald had nothing to lose, and four days later he takes a shot at Walker. Walker is the initial target, Walker is the reason Oswald buys guns. This part of Oswald's timeline points this being true. Looking at Oswald's actions in the Walker case you will see them repeated in the JFK Assassination. Oswald does reconnaissance on Walker's home and the target area. Oswald pre-positions the Carcano in the woods near the Walker home. Oswald leaves his wedding band and money on the dresser for Marina as he leaves the house to kill Walker. Oswald takes his shot, stashes the Carcano, and heads to the nearest bus stop. Leading up to killing JFK: Oswald stalks the parade route. Attempts to get jobs at a parking garage and an hotel which overlook the parade route. Oswald leaves his wedding band on his dresser on the morning he kills JFK. Oswald takes a bus to flee the TSBD. We have an M.O., and there is reason to speculate that Oswald may have snuck the Carcano into the TSBD at an earlier date(not much earlier), and this would close the speculation about the size of the bag in Frazier's car. Remember, Oswald doesn't walk out the front door of the TSBD, he left via the loading dock. By 11/22/63 he was familiar with the building, and the in's and out's of the place. As for the clothes in the photographs that are missing? It's a safe bet he was wearing them when he shot at Walker, and like the jacket he ditched after shooting Tippit, they ended up in a dumpster somewhere. |
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The purpose of this recommendation is twofold
#1. To indicate to the Federal Reserve (hereinafter called "the Fed) that the PMO has been received by the correct payee, and that the correct payee and been paid, and #2. To allow the Fed to trace a possible fraudulent document back through the banking system to its source. In order to accomplish #1 above, all that is required is some kind of stamp to indicate that the payee has received his money. a. If the payee presents himself personally to be paid out in cash, then they must show identification to prove they are the boda-fide payee, and if the person at the counter is satisfied with the ID, then they will endorse the PMO with the paying authority's stamp. If the paying authority is a bank, then that stamp will be the official stamp of the bank. If the paying authority is a branch of the USPS, that stamp will be the official stamp of that branch of the USPS. If the paying authority is convenience store, a grocery store, a general store or some other authorised check-cashing location, it will be stamp of that paying authorityIn order to accomplish #2 above, all that is required is some kind of stamp to on the document to allow the Fed to trace it back to its origin. In the case of a cashed PMO, the stamp allows it to be traced back to the bank, USPS branch, convenience store, general store, check cashing location or other paying authority who paid out the payee, and In the case of a banked PMO, the stamp allows it to be traced back to the company that banked it into their account, and the bank that accepted it. If you only cherry pick one definition, the one that most fits your fantasy world, then yes. I can do that too! Oxford English Dictionary: Modal Verb - Indicating a desirable or expected state. Collins English Dictionary: Modal verb - Used in conditional clauses when you are talking about things that might happen. MacMillan Dicitinary: Modal verb - Used for saying what someone decides, suggests, or orders Its not "completely superfluous". This has been explained to you many times, you simply choose to pretend it hasn't been Not at all, you have been told this over and over. Klein's endorsed them with their own stamp.... this one What endorsements do they require on the PMO In fact there are three clear indications that the PMO has been processed through the banking system 1. This stamp means Kliens took or sent it to their bank, who payed it into their bank account 2. The Hollerith punch holes means that the PMO must have been processed through the banking system. 3. This stamp means that the PMO must have reached the Federal Reserve You keep asking the same questions We keep giving you the correct answers. You keep wilfully refusing to understand those answers ...all so that you can keep playing your stupid little word games, and all because you are desperate; desperate to keep your fantasy world intact! |
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Alek Hidell = Lee Harvey Oswald = the ’secret’ alias exposed in the very act of purchasing the murder weapon? Whats the point with that? Oswald had a very high IQ so that is not the answer, and he did not drink alcohol or use drugs and he was not mentally ill. So why go through all this trouble forging a false ID, ordering a crap rifle with the same ID to an adress in his own own name exposing his ’secret’ identity? Any plausible idea?
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Your own words are peculiar? Or just the fact that they work to call you and and your methods out?
Decided on my own that was one way to establish you are only making claims you never support. You don't like it? Support your claims and stop offering excuses for your failure to do so. Hilarious. I have exchanged more words with you in a day than I have in my life with John McAdams. What's your argument here? That ad hominem is the best approach when you have no response? This is where you end up. Ignoring the points made and quibbling once more about how they are made and practicing guilt by association. We all understand what that means. Hank |
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Asked and answered. This has nothing to do with the assassination anymore and deals with a different question entirely. Take it to the 'history of rules and regulations' forum.
Asking it a second time back-to-back makes no difference. You didn't really expect the answer to change, did you? Asked and answered. This has nothing to do with the assassination anymore and deals with a different question entirely. Take it to the 'history of rules and regulations' forum. You are now quibbling over the reasons these rules and regulations were adopted in 1960, the year BEFORE JFK was sworn in as President, and at a time when Lee Harvey Oswald was in Russia. These rules and regulation adopted in 1960 have ZERO (0), zilch, zip to do with the assassination. You are clearly DESPERATE in pursuing this line of questioning. Is John Armstrong some kind of expert on Postal Rules and regulations? If he is, please cite his background and experience in these manners, and then establish why we should care, since the rules and regulations have no bearing on the assassination. If he's not some kind of expert, please tell us why you're citing his opinion. And of course, as an expert, he shouldn't make any obvious errors even a layman could spot, right? Gee, really? Yet we can look at the back of the postal money order in question and see exactly which bank the money should be credited to: PAY TO THE ORDER OF THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CHICAGO 59-91144 KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS, INC. You're quoting a man who's saying the Federal Reserve couldn't figure that out? He's a CT, so of course he's not telling the truth. Absolutely. With "should" meaning 'optional, recommended, not mandatory'. No, they endorsed with their stamp this one you're questioning and presumably all the others. But all the others don't matter, and please don't be silly enough to ask me to show the endorsement on all the others. The others have no bearing on the assassination. But this one bears the Klein's stamped endorsement: PAY TO THE ORDER OF THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CHICAGO 59-91144 KLEIN'S SPORTING GOODS, INC. What endorsements are mandatory? Please establish. And remember this: Armstrong already told you: "At the Federal Reserve Bank a second set of punched holes was stamped into each Postal Money order. In one operation the new machines (IBM 808 proof machines) would list the amount of the money order on paper tapes, punch (by machine code) the ink-printed/stamped amount paid for the money order as shown on the front side, and automatically sort the money orders according to the twelve Post Office regional accounting offices." The ones that made it all the way through would have the key-punched holes and the printed number. This one does: 138 4159 796 Are you now disputing the man you quoted here? He's YOUR supposed expert. Hank |
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About the stamps. If this ticket was forged almost to perfection then it would have had the stamps. How dumb would a forger be to leave them off. The card without the stamps happened because it was a stupid rule so they did not enforce it. Remember the stamps were only a suggestion.
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$8.59 [estimated] after the purchase of the weapons.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jf...pendix-14.html Cash on hand, Dec. 31, 1962 $174.80 Cash on hand, Jan. 31, 1963 $8.59 He purchased the weapons in January, so the $8.59 is the amount the Oswald's had left after the purchase of the weapons. The above are estimates because nobody knows exactly what Oswald bought. As the Treasury department put it: The following analysis of Lee Harvey Oswald's receipts and expenditures for the period June 13, 1962, through November 22, 1963, contains a complete record of all funds that he and his wife are reported to have received and disbursed from all known sources. It also contains an estimate for food, clothing, and incidental expenses, which include telephone calls, money order and check cashing fees, postage, local transportation costs, personal care goods and services, local newspapers, and similar small items. Oswald's expenditures for food, clothing, and incidentals were estimated at $100 per month, except for those months in which his wife and children resided with relatives or acquaintances. The estimate reflects Oswald's frugal living habits during this period, as described in chapter VI of this report. The Commission has been advised by the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor that this estimate is a little higher than would be normal for a family in Oswald's income class residing in the southern region of the United States. (See Commission Exhibit No. 1169.) Hank |
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Welcome. Trust me, he knows all this. But his ABO religion doesn't care about facts. It's a faith-based system and nothing can overturn his belief system: ABO : Anybody But Oswald.
So if the evidence points to Oswald, of course that's why it MUST be faked. Somehow. Someway. And that's why, ultimately, CTs wind up claiming all the evidence is faked and why they can't make heads or tails of it. And why CTs like Manifesto cling to these claims and repeat them like prayers on a rosary. It's all a faith-based system. ABO. Hank |
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This way nobody can put a face to the buyer of the weapon. If he buys the guns locally someone could ID him. In fact, the owner of the gunshop who sold him Carcano ammo did just that.
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Second, most senior officers in the US military, were WWII veterans, as were many Congressmen, and US Senators, and the idea of arming US soldiers with a 6.5 caliber weapon, the same caliber used by the Axis powers Italy and Japan was not going to fly. The good news is that USSOCOM has adopted 6.5 for our snipers: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/03/uss...#axzz5I4FDmcD5 You'll be happy to know that US forces will not be even more deadly in the near future.
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He lost his wallet when he shot Tippit. The DPD actually did lie about taking it from him at the Texas Theater because by the time he'd been captured too many officers had handled the wallet, thus contaminating it. Your wallet nonsense has failed
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Your extensive knowledge of CIA operations is staggering
So enlighten us as to why the CIA, who was working with the Chicago Mafia, couldn't just use their connections in Chicago - where Klein's was located - to just get someone at the bank to stamp the fake money order? |
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They had an unlimited budget... unlimited! They could simply have MADE all the bank stamps they needed on order to forget the paper trail.
The whole thing that undermines most of the stupid conspiracy theories we see debated here (and elsewhere) is the sheer complexity needed in order to turn the truth into the conspiracy. The truth is simple, and rarely does it ever have to account for any serious degree of conflicting evidence. If "they" (whoever "they" are) wanted to kill Kennedy, there was no need to go to all the trouble of such an elaborate and intricately complex scheme of setting up a patsy and then paying a hitman to get rid of him forging the money order forging the order form forging the envelope paying off Kleins multiple shooters disappearing the bullets they fired faking and forged autopsies faking photographs planting the gun faking the ballistics faking fingerprints and palm prints paying off witnesses etc etc If they really want to kill him in Dallas, at that time and place, then all they had to do was put a CIA sniper on the roof of the DalTex building, then disappear him down the elevator, leaving the DPD and the FBI with an unsolved mystery. |
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This particular fabrication was executed by the FBI and their informer in Dallas, Postal Inspector (Dallas T-2) Harry Holmes.
Different people did different things as the cover-up developed over time. Compartmentalization. Need to know. Secret oaths. Obeying orders. Plausible deniability. Misguided patriotism. |
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Name one claim in need of evidence where I haven’t provided such. I’m sure there are such, but one.
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Evidence? Did he confess to this? Cite the confirming documents.
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I'm amazed that you still do not understand what Hank is doing when he does this... no, actually, on second thoughts I'm not amazed.
What Hank is doing is showing up the duplicitous posting you indulge in; ► You post claims without evidence, and then refuse to provide evidence to support said claims. ► Any time anyone else makes a claim, you demand evidence, and when they do, you dismiss it, or handwave it away, or move the goalposts and demand evidence for your adjusted claim. Now this might cop me some grief with the mods but IMO, you are simply incapable of debating honestly. This might look like I am attacking the arguer instead of the argument, but I've had it with debating your spurious arguments when you simply refuse to debate honestly. I, we, all of us, have been more than patient in dealing with you and trying to debate with you, but you simply cheat the debate by spamming the thread with truckloads of bare assertions, unevidenced claims, logical fallacies and outright lies. Enough! From here on in, your claims will not be addressed or answered by me. Either 1. You will simply be asked to provide evidence in support, and I will not address your claims further until you do provide supporting evidence, or 2. I will copypasta my last answer to that question If I ran the zoo, I would do what the admin does at Apollohoax... put you on moderation and not publish any more of your posts to the thread unless they contain answers to outstanding questions you have been asked and that you keep running away from. |
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On the contrary, it was very simple.
1. Elements within the CIA planned and organized the assassination. The old boys network with crazy Allen Dulles at the helm. 2. Crazy Edgar and bat **** crazy Lyndon organized the cover-up.
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