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12th June 2018, 01:25 PM | #241 |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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You've had a couple hundred posts already. What's one more.
Be sure to address every single independent study, including the following: http://jfk-records.com/ScienceAndJus...%282005%29.pdf https://fas.org/rlg/RL9b02_WithFigNu...geFigures).pdf http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/odell/ https://web.archive.org/web/20080919...99/courttv.htm http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/download/report_hi.zip http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/download/QT-Exhibits.zip Be sure to indicate why you find the analysis of Donald Thomas superior to the analysis of each of the authors of the studies linked here. Cite each criticism of Thomas's work from Ralph Linsker, Richard Garwin, Herman Chernoff, Paul Horowitz, and Norman Ramsey and indicate why you find it is without merit. Cite, explain, argue. Make sure you address the testimony of HB McLain and Marion Baker, and the supplementary photographic evidence that appears to back up McLain's statements as to where he was at the time of the shooting. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfk...5/hscamcla.htm http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm Also be sure to provide indisputable proof that McLain was in fact where he needs to be for your analysis to hold water. Finally, for the cheap seats, try to explain why the visual record, the statements of McLain and Baker and the analysis of a half a dozen different teams of qualified professionals all seems to paint a single, coherent, compelling picture while Don Thomas stands alone with a completely divergent opinion. Cite, explain, argue I think the information here is more than enough for any curious person to come to an informed decision. |
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I posted a link on the previous page but you missed it while you were blowing smoke.
Here are links to official documents wherein RFK is being briefed on operations in Cuba: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_...ney%20Gen..pdf This is the infamous "Northwinds" document, which would have been reviewed by the Kennedy NSC: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_...0of%20Ops..pdf This is the 25, July, 1962 review of Mongoose. Scroll to the bottom you will see that RFK is on the CC list, or to use CT language, "In on it": https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_...20Mongoose.pdf This is the minutes of a 4, October, 1962 meeting of the Cuban Group where RFK opens the meeting saying that a "Higher Authority" (meaning JFK) was not happy with the recent progress, and wanted to step up activity (sabotage operations in Cuba): https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_...%20Special.pdf Then this is the meeting where "Fracturing the Regime" is discussed with RFK . Fracturing the Regime is a polite way of saying assassination: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc....Id=21&tab=page It's even on the Mary Ferrell site, so you know it has to be true (in your world) Sorry dude, the Kennedy brothers were going after Castro in a hard way. |
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I do not claim this from the absense of bank endorsment stamps alone. I’m in the middle of an argument of how common it would be for PMO’s being duly processed without said stamps on it. If common = no sign of fake. If not common or never = sign of fake.
One step at a time, Hank. |
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The easier CT route is to claim the CIA put Oswald up to the killing. That way you don't have to look stupid trying to prove all of these cover-up claims.
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Very common. I can't speak for the American banking system but I can speak for ours which is not too different; we have similar banking regulations.
When I first started in business I used to bank a lot of money orders, and we got the documents back after a few months. About 1 in 10-20 (5 to 10%) would not have any bank stamps on them at all. Of course, they ALL had my business' endorsement stamp on them because I stamped it on myself. |
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So tell us Manifesto what is the answer then?
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Come on, Brain-Squirrels are still classified. That's what happens when you miss shill meetings.
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I hope you mean you're "in the middle of research" on this question, because your arguments so far have been ineffective. And even if your research revealed that, say, only ten in 100,000 PMOs from 1963 lacked all the appropriate stamps, how would you prove that LHO's PMO was the result of fakery instead of bureaucratic haste or error?
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Just making sure you have your ducks in a row and know what you need to address before attempting your usual handwaving reply.
There is an ocean of technical data in the links I've provided. Be sure you point out specifically how each of the linked studies is mistaken while Don Thomas is the absolute truth. There are some very specific and damning criticisms leveled at Thomas's work that would render it invalid if true. Show, with evidence, how each of those specific criticisms is without merit. Cite, explain, argue. Be specific. Be technical. |
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From WCR, p. 119: "From Klein’s records it was possible to trace the processing of the order after its receipt. A bank deposit made on March 13, 1963, included an item of $21.45. Klein’s shipping order form shows an imprint made by the cash register which recorded the receipt of $21.45 on March 13, 1963. This price included $19.95 for the rifle and the scope, and $1.50 for postage and handling. The rifle without the scope cost only $12.78."
Now don't you think that if there had been a sign of forgery, Klein's would have shouted that possibility from the rooftops rather than go down in history as the company that unwittingly banked blood money from the soon-to-be murderer of JFK? |
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No, you absolutely did in the below where you claimed "The Hidell PMO that have no bank endorsement stamps that according to the federal regulations should be present = forgery..." You are now attempting to backpedal from that claim.
So by that illogic all the ones missing a bank stamp must be a forgery. Or as OKBob (I believe it was) pointed out, establishing the bank stamps are mandatory is only the smallest part of the job in front of you. Establishing the conspiracy (rather than assuming it from a missing bank stamp) is the bigger task for you. So your first step should be to tell us which of these three conflicting statements by you is true: Let us know so we don't keep doing this three step tango with you. Hank |
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Yep he's running. He cannot accept he made a mistake.
so.... Gallop and change the subject. |
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Manifesto DEEP THINKING:
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Lack of evidence has yet to bother you in any way. We know that LBJ and RFK actively impeded the Warren Commission's investigations where it drifted into the anti-Cuban operations. If Oswald could have been linked to a compromised CIA anti-Castro cell in Dallas you can see why they might want to quash that line of investigation.
It is also easier to cover up with a few personal phone calls instead of the circus side-show of multiple gunmen, fake x-rays, and all of the other nonsense of the low-grade JFK-CT crowd. It is the smart conspiracy. |
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Translation: I'm not going to read it.
As for the mythical Secret Service Agent on the Grassy Knoll goes, there are only THREE witnesses claiming they encountered one. Here's a fact you and others miss; the Secret Service can deputize agents from other agencies to assist with Presidential security where a large geographic location, such as the motorcade route, was involved. This meant that on 11/22/63 the Secret Serivice had extra help, and certainly would have had men in Dealey Plaza. These men could have been pulled from the ATF, Customs, USBP, reserve police, and sheriff's deputies. The motorcade route was crawling with them. Since these men are off-duty they do not appear on any official rosters, or listings of posted officers. In 1963 the Secret Service and ATF ID's were virtually identical. FBI Agent, Robert Gemberling was told that two Customs agents who worked at the Post Office on Dealey Plaza were helping with security while on their lunch break. Point being, Treasury agent or not, there actually were additional security personnel in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting, and the films show dozens of people rushing the Grassy Knoll after the final shots. Those men would have been among them. There is no mystery |
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No-one did.
However, Oswald didn't buy the rifle to assassinate JFK, he bought it to murder Major-General Edwin Walker, which he attempted to do on April 10, 1963, with that very rifle (the bullet forensics proves this beyond any doubt whatsoever) only 16 days after he picked it up from the Post Office. |
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I guess this post is about your evidence of RFK being involved in assassination attempts and or planning of such of Castro?
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However, the covert aim was to show ”busy-ness” and thereby not anger the already angry and frustrated Cuban exiles and their violent supporters in the CIA/Mob/Right Wing Cuba effort. To ’contain the situation’. Now, show me that ”Fracturing the Regime” was ”polite CIA-lingua” for political assassinations and if so (lol), that RFK knew this. Do it. |
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