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There was plenty of metal to melt in the towers. Copper (miles and miles of cable) Aluminium and lead all spring to mind.
How would a firefighter seeing molten metal know what metal he was seeing? We have a whole thread on this somewhere. |
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Mighty mountain you're making out of that molehill. Here's my reponse, you'll like it because it's Youtube, not "TeeVee" and won't "brainwash you".
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Still on this hollow fuselage lie… eh? Using your analogy, I suppose the passengers were issued wooden orange crates for seating. Where does all of the luggage and cargo fit? The cabin floor is not part of the structural strength? Not to mention the various bulkheads, stringers, ribs, and other structural members that give the fuselage its strength.
Any idiot looking at your picture of a B-727 can tell you it is by no means hollow. No more hollow than a B-757/767. Utter stupidity at its best. How fast was this aircraft going when it hit the blast barrier? |
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I would like to point out that most of a missile, by the time it reaches the target, is hollow. The tube can also be made of aluminum. This isn't rocket science... or maybe it is.
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The penetrating warhead is capable of punching through hardened bunkers and weighs 900 lbs and measures 12x60 inches.
the gouge in the below image is in a column measuring 14 inches. Based on the column size, that gouge looks to be about 12 inches wide, which means it could easily have been caused by a dense metal penetrating warhead of the same diameter.
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I'm trying to make sense of that image. Are you saying the missile skipped along, bending and gouging steel beams and then, what? made a hard left turn to go into the building?
Everything looks bent inward to me. I'd expect stuff to be bent outward if there was a military style explosion, but maybe not? |
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You're welcome.
They weren't. 9/11 truthers, apparently too stupid to understand the concepts of hyperbole, simile and metaphor, took first responder quotes literally. Great video with many examples of my point above, thanks Steve. Well there's also the teensy detail of severe structural damage along with fire, but that's quibbling, right? No? I'll give you this Steve - I've worked in commercial real estate for coming up on 24 years and I've never had any building at 100% capacity. Ever. My current account has over 70,000 square feet available and another 52,000 coming up by the end of Q3 this year. That translates to 5 floors. So no, no building is ever fully leased and I expect the WTC was no exception. You're looking into a smoke filled gash created by a 767. What stood there before was obliterated. Do you really expect to see intact structure there? |
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I notice that Yankee seems to always dismiss the Kamikaze attacks on US and British ships for some reason.
Why is this? Aluminium Aircraft were deliberately crashed into steel warships and they punched holes in the sides and decks. They were smaller than the aircraft that hit the towers and the ships were stronger. |
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Tell him it's because I'm waiting to hear why a Kamikaze is like a 767 and how the hull of a warship is like the twin towers.
I have researched Hinsdale, as well as other vessels struck by suicide planes; eventually the true-believers will point to the Kamikazes as proof of something. I want to hear what you think that something is. |
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Well, one is an aircraft made of aluminium, the other is a ship made of a hull made from continuous steel plate backed by forged steel ribs and horizontal steel decks etc.
A 767 is an aircraft made out of aluminium and the towers are made out of hollow steel columns. If an aluminium aircraft can crash into a steel ship and break through the continuous steel of the hull, why can't a much bigger and heavier aircraft break through the columns of the building? |
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There's an obvious difference. Saudi's and Japanese. You have to be a better pilot to hit a ship.
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They took themselves seriously enough to make a museum exhibit about it; that's a bit more than hyperbole. Dozens of news paper articles, endless comments on the news about the hotspots, NASA's images of the ground 1300 degrees, but no, simple office fires wouldn't do that.
The fires were not hot enough to melt or even weaken that much steel, especially over such a short time, and if the "severe" structural damage wasn't enough to bring them down immediately, it wouldn't be enough to bring them down an hour later. It's a paradox, a conundrum. Yes. As stated before, the hollow tube of the fuselage was 17 feet in diameter. The hole is twice that size. |
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Well, besides the fact that the hull was plate steel, not a series of square columns (only one surface to contend with), there's the simple fact of the BOMBS attached to the WARPLANE.
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A ships hull is thicker steel than your columns and isn't just a flat plate. It is backed by steel ribs and decks. It is a lot tougher than the clumns of the towers. Each individual column is a lot weaker than the side of the ship. It is each column that has to take the impact.
You will note that in your quote the bomb was a 'dud'. it didn't explode. Explain what you mean by 'flying torpedo'? Most Kamikaze attacks were by fighters and bombers just flown into the ships. By that time in the war the Japanese air force had pilots with minimal training able to take off and crash, that's all they were expected to do. Just like the Hijackers on 911. On 911 what the aircraft had was massively more weight, size and importantly speed. plus their target was bigger and built from small thin walled columns compared to the hull of a warship. What damage do you think would be done a ship if it was hit by an airliner at 500 miles an hour weighing over a hundred tons as compared to a small single seat fighter moving slower and weighing a fraction of the airliner? Buildings are designed to stand up. Warships are designed ro be damaged and survive. |
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Friday October 12th, 1984 Jon-Erik Hexum died on the set of the CBS television series "COVER UP". The show was being filmed at the Twentieth Century Fox studios lot in Century City, when he 'accidentally' shot himself. The character he was playing was a weapons expert whose cover was that of a fashion show photographer. During a scene where he is lying in bed, in between takes, he was playing around with a .44 Magnum revolver that was on-set for use as a blank-firing weapon. Shortly after 5:15 p.m. he put the pistol (according to witnesses, it was loaded with three empty cartridges and two blanks) up to his right temple. As he pulled the trigger he smiled, and supposedly said, "Let's see if I got myself with this one." He was apparently unaware that at close range, a blank can cause great damage. The explosion drove a quarter-sized piece of his skull far into his brain. The paper wadding of the straight-walled blank cartridge went straight into his temple and forced a bone chip to lodge in his brain. |
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Straw? You found a silly version of why, and now you are stuck with the straw?
It is physics, you don' do physics so the first silly explanation you find, you jump on it and fail. Like the melted concrete, you fall for the straw can't do it, making up your own version of physics. http://janssenkwch.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html You would not believe what tornadoes do, you will not understand what a plane can do. E=1/2mv2 is not being used by 911 truth, and you. Why are your fantasies banned by most of 911 truth? |
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