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http://yankee451.com/2012/07/15/963/ Oh?
Oh? Yes you are. Next time read what you post on the web for your grandkids to see your hate and silly nonsense.
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Ironically this web page spewing hate and lies about police and firefighters shows evidence of aircraft which hit the WTC towers, which makes your silly fantasy of missiles a failed lie. ? lol It would be past paranoid; by posting delusions of missiles, plus failure to correct the museum which did not lie; they made a mistake. |
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22nd April 2013, 02:57 AM | #808 |
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Perhaps, but clearly your intention.
Just like the TeeVee, you are controlled by the moovees. Also, all those moovees were shown on teevee, and are thus rendered invalid, by your own argument. What does this vapour actually mean? Nothing. |
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I wouldn't call it an assumption. Anywhoo, combustibles present in the piles were, for a brief and crude list (specifically, hydrocarbon-based ones):
Some sources on the chemically loaded piles: http://www.renewnyc.com/content/pdfs/eis/Appendix_D.pdf http://delta.ucdavis.edu/WTC.htm http://pubs.acs.org/cen/NCW/8142aerosols.html The presence of given 'hot-spots' and the longevity of them shouldn't really come across as so remarkable for you. I mean, there have been underground coal-fires known to burn for years and decades at end.
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I have fought a couple of those. You have to dig all the burned material out to get water to all of it. The worst was a military trash dump with all manner of crap that you cannot legally throw in the dump today. Sheet rock and sheet metal make excellent roofs over pockets of fire. This is why they had to take the whole pile apart and move the steel out of the way at the WTC fires.
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The World Trade Center did not collapse. It was turned into dust while it was standing there, and then the dust fell to the ground. |
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The World Trade Center did not collapse. It was turned into dust while it was standing there, and then the dust fell to the ground. |
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The ground wasn't that hot. I walked right up to Ground Zero, only two blocks away. It was actually rather cold and rainy. This picture is rather excellent proof that the basement of the WTC was not a cauldron of molten metal. Hundreds of people were walking around right on top of the pile. Since heat rises, they'd have been cooked if it was any higher than 350 degrees Farenheit, since that is the temperature that can cook a turkey. If it were hotter than 150 degrees Farenheit, they would have been unable to work there without serious fire protection, etc. etc.
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oh do elaborate on this for me please. Am I being held hostage by a separate group than is holding the vast majority of 'Mercans hostage , or for that matter that of the population of this planet, or is it a monolithic all encompassing world wide hostage taking? Does this (these) group(s) have a name?
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Fantasy for 1000., The answer is GIGO., What is Steel Foam? right again
What is your claim? Are you trying to be funny? You have a delusional claim of steel turned to foam at room temperature, and try to project the GIGO on other people? NIGO, is that better for your claims? Nonsense in... Or, TONIGO, tons of nonsense in...
It would be hard to miss that, but then you think the steel in the WTC was turned to foam; does yankee451 know that? Are you supporting his fantasy missiles? Research? General knowledge? Lead, tons of lead. Called UPS, lead acid batteries. The WTC had large banks, with tons of batteries, besides the UPS in the offices. Plus, called car batteries; found in the WTC parking lots... i give you lots of lead. Brass, ...? http://www.doityourself.com/stry/5-b...mbing-fittings Brass used in fittings, lamps, plates, flatware, trims, kick plates, door pulls, switch plates, foot rails, trumpets, tubas, horns, euphonium, saxophones, trombones, napkin rings, jugs, cutlery, crockery, trays, ice-tongs, wine chillers, cooking utensils, handrails, cabinet hardware, planters, etc. At 900 to 1000 C, did a lot of brass melt at the WTC? lol, do some research. |
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Think of what a boon it would be if we could actually make foamy steel! Look at the strength to weight of common bone, made of brittle calcium carbonate and a smattering of other materials such as collagen. The secret is its porous structure which makes it dramatically lighter than solid mineral, but really just as strong.
Imagine what we could do with steel girders with the porous structure of human bone! What skyscrapers we could build! Sorry for the derail, but Truther activity is really slacking off (maybe they're all concocting fantasies about Boston?), and I'm feeling a bit bored. |
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Toyota forklifts use a metallic foam tube (approx 1" long by a 1/2" diameter) as a LPG filter. The replacement element costs about 70 dollars wholesale.
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OMG, dusty is right, there is steel foam; wait, was that her claim... no
lol, Metal foams can be made by injecting a gas or using foaming agent, with... molten metal. Darn, she was so close. How did the super-duper secret NWO weapon of foamification melt the steel and inject a gas; foaming all the steel? Then how did the evil NWO sell the scrap metal? Magic, ... I hope I did not say foam metals did not exist; I flew a supersonic aircraft in UPT, it had aluminum honeycomb. Lightweight and strong. I have seen foam filters, metal. I have never seen a building turn to steel foam. Imagine how much energy it would require. Ironically WTC dust has found a fellow tangential 911 truth fantasy manufacturer. A match made in nonsense. Both agree there were no high temperatures, but can't specify what temperatures were present. Both laugh at science. Ironically WTC dust and yankee451 agree with reality, no melted steel, no melted concrete; but rapidly depart into really silly fantasy - and a total disrespect for those who died on 911 at the hands of 19 nuts who figured out 911 before 911, something that alludes wtcdust and yankee451. |
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In part, office furnishings yes. You're not giving enough credit to the 'heat booster'-capabilities of hydrocarbon-based combustibles. You're free to dismiss it and remain ignorant about this bit of mundane reality, but you'd be doing it at risk of making snickering oneliners like you did above (with a good chance of having your arguments arrested for vagrancy).
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Let us not forget the blast furnace effect of wind blowing through the holes from the planes and explosions.
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Yes, gas,,, and engine oil, transmission, and brake fluids (things tend to crack open when you drop tons of steel and concrete buildings on them), tires, upholstery.
You also have a air stream limiter which allows for more complete burning(yes by limiting oxygen ingress you get MORE calories out of the burn than you do if you have an abundance of oxygen and therefore allow incomplete combustion to take place. If air in coming in from only a few directions then combustion will use all of that oxygen in combusting the material it first encounters while simply heating the material further on, until the initial material has completely burned, then it will move to the , now preheated, newer material) In addition we have a fair amount of insulation slowing heat loss and making combustion more complete by not having to raise the temperature of materials being burned. Efficient wood stoves use these very principals to get more heat and less smoke from a load of wood. They also employ smoke shelves that are designed to heat the smoke as much as possible before leaving the stove and thus allowing more volatiles to ignite than one would get in say a simple fireplace. |
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that is in effect only while the buildings stand.
What I describe above is for the underground rubble fires which could also incorporate a blast furnace effect in isolated locations. I created a post in another thread which described a small scale test for creation of an underground blast furnace effect. |
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