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10th February 2013, 12:09 AM | #161 |
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10th February 2013, 12:15 AM | #162 |
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Why do you think I posted it?
Because there was no molten metal, but because of rumors started by the NYPD and the FDNY, photos like that were all the rage as proof of molten metal. But we know there wasn't any. So why did YOU think I posted it? What was it that made you lyao? |
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10th February 2013, 12:27 AM | #164 |
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10th February 2013, 12:31 AM | #165 |
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10th February 2013, 12:36 AM | #166 |
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"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves"
~Vladimir Lenin Why would "truthers" be pushing the same fake "hot fires" meme as the government? Golly, for the life of me I just can't figure this one out, maybe I should ask a scientist like Steven Jones or Judy Wood, eh? |
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Now that we can see how the ironically-named truth movement was pushing the false hot-fires meme that was started by such government organizations as the FDNY, NYPD and FEMA, can anyone answer why the USGS claims of hot spots are legitimate?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...spots_usgs.jpg
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10th February 2013, 12:48 AM | #171 |
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I'm not sure what that means. Am I incompetent for asking whether the USGS maps can be trusted?
What does that make everyone who won't answer such a simple question? Since the authorities and the "truthers" are on the same side on the "really hot fires" meme, ARE THE USGS MAPS ACCURATE? Yes or no? http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...spots_usgs.jpg
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Crikey Steve, you've packed a lot of fail into the last page-and-a-half
Beachnut's idea is a good one: If a mislabeled exhibit bothers you so much, you should ask them directly about it, get some closure. Did you get a chance to look through these links yet? |
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Sooo - you're saying the gas in the cars in the parking garage reached 900 kelvin?
You don't think the maps might be just as much BS as the fake photos from the truth movement, and the bogus stories of molten steel from the fire department, and the museum exhibit of molten concrete from the police department? You're leaning on the cars, or is that just the first straw you're clutching for to avoid looking at the evidence with a clear mind? You said the cars were just one reason of thousands. Okay, I've got the time, give me a couple hunded explanations. Or a couple. What other explanations do you have for the firefighters being mistaken about the molten steel, the police museum indoctrinating children AND now the USGS maps? The cars? That's it? |
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Given that gas alone burns at 800 Kelvin, and there were other combustibles present, where's the problem?
Nope. Well, 110 storeys x2 of offices and services have quite a lot of combustible materials. Have you never been in an office? Surely, even you can list combustion sources found in a typical office. Desks, chairs, paper, partitions etc, etc. from 2x 110 storey offices. I refuse to believe anyone in the world could be this obtuse. |
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What is the point of the thread? Do you know?
There were 220 acres of office materials to burn in the debris pile. The heat energy of the office material would be equal to more heat energy than the heat of 15,000 TONS of thermite; is that enough heat for your fantasy claims on 911. Not counting the cars and stuff in the basement. Cars burn hot, but you don't do education stuff.
The debris pile was as high as 1273.15 Kelvin. Why can't you do chemistry and fire science? Oh, that is right... you despise education.
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Are you saying the pile was a vacuum?
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I'm saying there are already two examples of official stories being proven to be bogus, official stories which also happened to be supported by the oh-so loudmouthed truth movement, almost as if they were trying to discredit genuine researchers.
Given the above, wouldn't the really smart people of the world, you know, science-types like you people keep feigning to be, wouldn't they need something more than just a museum exhibit or a YouTube video to convince them the fires were "really hot"? See where I'm going here or do you need me to draw you another picture? |
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The gasoline would make a very fine accelerant to ignite the acres of combustibles that were previously untouched by the WTC fires.
600°C plumes of gases exiting the debris pile from fires just below the surface at a few points doesn't surprise me at all. Why does it surprise you? And what's your point? There were no fires? The fires shouldn't have been that hot? Please explain. |
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220 acres of office material to burn; Ignored for Fantasy; Debunked by Wood-stove
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220 acres of office material to burn; Ignored for to push your hate of police and firefighters, plus the most idiotic fantasy. Steel melts at 1425-1540C 2600-2800F 1700-1800K. Darn, what was the goal of this attack on police? What is the point of your thread as you move off topic? Without air? There is oxygen in the pile, not a lot, but exactly the amount of air to keep fires extra hot and long lasting. The gasoline stuff, is your diversion to ignore 220 acres of office material burning for months. Why be illogical? Who has a wood stove? What do you do to get the fire hot and keep it running for hours instead of minutes? You cut back the air and limit the exhaust; oops, like the debris pile. oops Guess who has a wood stove? Here you are sitting next to your wood stove. How hot does wood burn in the stove? I get my wood stove to 1600F, 1200K with good wood. To get the highest temperature and longest burn, I have to cut back the air to the minimum. Almost no air, like in the debris pile, just enough to slowly burn. What do you do, leave it wide open and burn your charge in 10 minutes? I burn my for 10 hours on one charge, make up to 1600F, 1200K. What is your point? Steel melts at 1425-1540C 2600-2800F 1700-1800K. Darn, what was the goal of this attack on police? Ironically, you are standing next to your wood stove and are completely ignorant why fires can burn for months with 220 acres of office material to burn. No idea why limited air fires are hotter than open air fires. Irony. Hot office fires burning in debris pile, not hot enough to melt steel, but they HOT. 1020K, 750C, 1400F (no melted steel) What is your point? You sure love your fantasy, and fail to use common sense, as you sit next to the very thing that debunks your current nonsense. |
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