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10th February 2013, 06:00 PM | #201 |
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So without any molten steel, nor molten concrete to prove the existence of "really hot fires", we're left with the USGS images as proof.
Can anyone come up with more evidence to prove the WTC was wiped out by "really hot fires". No? Big surprise, moving on... |
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...Only molten steel is prof of really hot fires?
That's not right, that's not even wrong. |
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So far we have the molten concrete horsepucky attributed to the NYPD who weren't just 'mistaken', they actually took the time to create a glass-enclosed museum exhibit which explained to American school children that the "fires were so intense the concrete melted".
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So at this point I'd like to ask the true believers a question - what DID they tell the truth about? |
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Can you please translate that for me?
Where is the proof of "really hot fires"? We already know where the rumor came from - we already know the FDNY and NYPD fabricated molten concrete, rivers of molten steel, piles of bodies with faces ripped off their heads, breathing people in the dust in the air, etc. We already know these ridiculous rumors were propagated by not just the authorities, but by the faux "9/11 Truth Movement" as well. So I ask again, given that they have been "mistaken" about so much, what proof can you provide that the fires were "really hot"? |
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10th February 2013, 10:23 PM | #210 |
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What's unclear? Your objection is invalid because you don't need molten steel or melted concrete (not something I'm even sure is possible to start with) as evidence for really hot fires.
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Where is the evidence of this burning office debris? I didn't see anything other than a cloud of dust. Why do you assume all 220 floors were fully occupied? Have you checked? I have and they weren't, so no, there were absolutely not 220acres of office materials. Some floors looked like this:
But some like this: And only if we take at face value what the authorities say - the same fellas who are telling us the ground was super-duper hot for a long time. But alas, even their "fully occupied towers" is a sham:
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Still, there is this interesting post about why the fires could not get so hot.
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I don't despise anything but I'm sure our ideas of education differ greatly. This isn't a debate. No, stop projecting and pay attention - because the only proof of "hot fires" comes from the authorities who have twice been exposed "fibbing" about this very crime, why would you accept their word about anything else without first checking the facts? |
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"Simple" errors that sent us to war for 11 years. You are very forgiving.
They lied about the fires, they lied about the concrete and they lied about the steel. The ground was NOT hot, it was impossible for it to be that hot, so what we're looking at is clear evidence of conspiracy. FEMA, the NYPD and the FDNY were behind the "hot fires" ******** which wouldn't have gotten any traction without the bogus maps from the USGS. This conspiracy is obviously not limited to those agencies though, just look at Judy Wood and the rest of the controlled opposition loons who we are led to believe are the "truth movement".
Then there's the media that broadcast cartoon jets doing the impossible who worked hand in fist with the government squawking heads, perpetually reminding us who our enemies are, telling us who to hate. And finally there's the military that launched the missiles and launched invasions without batting an eye. Or they all collectively made the same mistake about hot fires that didn't happen. |
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Find one eyewitness from the streets of New York who makes the claim that video evidence is inconsistent with what they saw happen.
Failing that, explain how these "cartoon jets" were inserted into live feeds from multiple angles, then subsequently into every single amateur video of the event. Every. Single. One. Furthermore that all the video sources match one another based on the positions from which they were shot. Who did this. How did they do it. These are very important questions. I think that if you do not answer...it means that you cannot. |
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I challenge you to fine one eye witness who saw a jet enter a steel skyscraper.
What we're witnessing is the power of propaganda in action. People will become belligerent in defending their own indoctrination. But I digress. So are we all agreed the fires weren't hot? If not, show me how it was possible. |
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Reports on Steel show temps as high as 1000C ; science beats fantasy
Wow, you don't know who was in the WTC? But you ask a question you can't answer. You never do supply fact, you prefer fantasy.
It is called math, you know, math. You don't do math, you are anti-education. You said so.
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I agree, with you 911 is psychological, and you have a failed fantasy. Office space with real people murdered on 911. Really? Prove it. You don't do research, it would be a first. LOL, you debunked your debris pile too small. You are showing the WTC is 95 percent air, even when occupied as above. You can't rent space that is solid concrete and steel. BINGO You debunk all you post. wow The temperatures you posted were real, very hot. But you make up nonsenses. The steel recovered from the debris pile showed a eutectic (science stuff, you don't do chemical engineering, guess who used your tax dollars to take Chem Eng 101, ME, LOL) with temperatures of 1000C. BINGO, I posted the correct temperature, and researched the steel, while you ask question you don't know the answer to. lol, You are at zero, I am near 1,000,017. Sorry, but education is good, your fantasy is a legacy your grandkids will be sad about. The fires were hot. You sitting next to your wood-stove? Do you use it? LOL Your own video debunks you. Your wood stove debunks you, and your wood stove is literally dumber than a box of rocks. Irony, with extra iron. From chemical engineering, call science. You do fantasy, I listened in class when I was not sleeping. lol I got an education, you got fantasy. You are the winner. You paid for my education if you paid US taxes. More irony. Thank you, thank you very much. You are anti-education and it shows as you spew a fantasy so intellectually bankrupt, it hurts my head. What a legacy for you grandkids. I served 28 years, and I think anti-war protest and attitude is good, and part of our right to protest and have opinions... etc But spreading lies and fantasy on 911, I find to be dumb, immature and nonsense. No, it is not a debate. You have fantasy, and your wood stove debunks you. Fire burned for weeks, months. You don't do science so you don't understand that your wood stove debunks your latest fantasy. You now ignore 220 acres of debris burning. Not new for you to ignore reality and lie about 911. It is funny, the sensors take the temperature at the surface, and the fires buried at the WTC were much hotter than the surface temp. I got the eutectic which shows temperature, you don't have anything. Why are you evidence free. Your sources debunk you. Why do you hate the police? Did you have problems? Do you use your wood-stove? My wood stove gets up to 1600 F. lol, got you to post I watched all your videos, they are all nonsense. I say this a human, and as an engineer, as a pilot, as a retied USAF officer, as a kid who took calculus, chemistry and physics all in high school. What do you say about education?
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You hate higher education. Funny, I learned physics, chemistry, and math, in high school, exempted the finals in college, in calculus, chemistry, and physics. You and education don't mix. Or do you want to take back your Internet legacy of anti-intellectualism? Do you treat mistakes by your kids, the same as the melted concrete? With hate and fantasy? What a legacy. |
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I usually try to ask questions to which I already know the answers.
So tell me big guy, with all your book-larnin' why do you insist the fires were so hot when chemistry and common sense say it couldn't possibly have happened? Wanna know what SHOULD have been in those towers (among other things that weren't at the time of destruction): |
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Naive to say the least.
What sent the US to war in Afghanistan was that country's refusal to hand over the ring leader of a bunch of self-avowed enemies of America that hijacked planes and flew them into buildings with the sole aim of committing mass murder, not the words of people who share your lack of science and engineering knowledge. |
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Flattery will get you everywhere.
I have provided all kinds of evidense and all you provide is derision from the safety of the herd.
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What's wrong is that (among other things) it presumes jet fuel was the only source of heat. In fact combustible material within the WTC - furnishings etc etc - greatly outweighed it. Meanwhile 1000°K is around 630°C, and is easily attainable in office fires. This has been pointed out to you in several different ways but you haven't registered it.
As for the toilets, get an old one and drop it a few storeys onto a hard surface. Report back to us on its condition. It's you, and only you, that's wondering how they burned. They didn't. |
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Wow.
Is this what they teach in school now? How much experience do you have with fire? Not your oven or charcoal grill, but I mean car/house/building fires? I already know the answer to this, BTW. How can you pompously project such an ill-informed opinion on a subject you know absolutely nothing about? Do you realize how ignorant you sound? This is why no one here can take you the least bit seriously. |
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Pretty obvious.
You're only interested in asking questions that you think you know the answer to. I've inserted an important word extra word there. You have no interest in asking questions that will give you an answer you don't agree with. You are not interested in the truth, you are interested in proving yourself right. Those two conditions are contradictory. You are not even interested in proving anyone else wrong, because in order to do that you have to take on board their arguments and ask questions to which you will not know the answer. |
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In short, the WTC was made completely of steel, marble, ceramic.
Nothing flammable at all, guys. I think yankee got us. I'll be resigning my NWO position in a presser later today.... |
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