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12th February 2013, 11:14 PM | #321 |
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I'm no expert on grainy photos but I'd imagine varying degrees of damage at the impact zone could in part be attributed to the concrete floors and steel trusses behind the outer columns.
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12th February 2013, 11:39 PM | #322 |
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One of the problems I have is identifying the floors. Looking to the left of the gash they appear to be missing.
As far as the damage getting progressively worse left to right, note that both gashes start at floor level, followed by nine gouged and bent columns, followed by a hole. South Tower North Tower |
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I am an engineer, and a pilot. You called me a liar for telling you what I am. Got some evidence? Columns bent, by an aircraft impact. That is why they don't show signs of blast damage by your fantasy missiles all used in Test. Now some off-topic stuff, or what... A fantasy gif. What did 60 Minutes say? What? You have not contacted 60 Minutes so you can end the War? What was your purpose of this thread besides bad mouthing police, and being debunked by your Wood-Stove? |
13th February 2013, 12:08 AM | #324 |
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Enough to destroy 110 acres of concrete and 100,000 tons of steel?
How hot do stainless steel steam kettles burn? How about walk-in coolers? You going to tell me the gas in the bus-sized generators of the mechanical floors were responsible? What happened to all these items? They are not visible in any of the debris images. We already know there were no hot fires, so what happened? There are two Steves in this world, I was quoting the other one. I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up". I was responding to a question from a fan (pay attention): |
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I apologize for calling you a liar, but your experiences don't make the evidence change.
Few men are as indoctrinated as military men. I mean no offense, but you gotta figure if killing was natural there would be no need for basic training, and PTSD wouldn't be an issue. I say that because after going through your training you are TRAINED to think a certain way, so how can you be impartial to the evidence when your whole world revolves around the belief the USA are the good guys all the time? Aren't you supposed to defend against domestic enemies too though? God forbid I could be right, but I thnk the evidence is there to support missiles being used at the WTC and at Shanksville. As a military man surely you can see the value of having undocumented missiles used at all sites. You'd only need one set of missile jockies to run the whole operation and you'd have plausible deniability. As a military man you know the gash fits the missile hypothesis like a glove, but because your identity revoles around your TRAINING, you ignore the evidence staring you in the face. The implications keep you from seeing that our own leaders are the enemies. The only way 9/11 could have occurred is if it was run from the top down, as a military man you certinly must know that. The military are not that incompetent. They could have stopped those jets pronto, you know this, and the last ten years of invasions and encroachments on civil liberties should serve as proof in the pudding. |
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Google U failure once again. I guess so missed the troofer memo regarding all the steel being rushed off to China to be melted down to destroy the "Evidence"
I won't even bother with your strawman expectation of seeing specific items in the debris field photographs. Extremely weak....even for a troofer. |
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This has got to be an elaborate Poe.
I mean, purposely discounting the fact and opinion of science, physics, architects, engineers, firefighters, and witnesses to willfully believe planes didn't hit the towers? Twelve years later? Come on. I suggest you let the troll die of starvation. No fact presented to him in 9 pages has changed his deluded opinion and it seems to be getting worse. |
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I think it's a deliberate policy that Steve's adopted, a way of enabling him to deal with the "wtf" reaction he gets from everyone he talks to by simply not engaging with any evidence that anyone else puts to him. I've posted this mp3 link before, but it's worth posting again - Jim Fetzer interviewing Steve/Yankee. I find it useful in gaining a little insight into the kind of character we're dealing with: http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim...eve%20deak.mp3 *WARNING* contains multiple instances of the J. Fetzer Maniacal Belly Laugh™ |
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I would feel better knowing this was not you. That's why I asked. You see, when someone has a question they ask and then listen and evaluate the answer.
I don't know how to take your responses to a question not asked of you. Would you like to actually answer for Ape of Good Hope? |
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In science and engineering, you earn respect, starting by demonstrating basic competence. So far, all you've demonstrated is a 1/4 mile high mountain of fail. A snotty attitude combined with complete ignorance of the subject matter earns contempt and ridicule. Seriously Steve, take a deep breath, a step back, and look at the big picture. Even your fellow truthers think you're daffy. Seek help. You are in the grip of a bizarre obsession. It may be chemical/neurological. There are doctors who can treat this. |
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Steve, there really is a Union Bank of California. Trust me. I live here in Sunny Southern California. Their offices are real, not holograms. There are plenty of others who can vouch for the reality of AT&T, Verizon, Fuji Bank, Oppenheimer Funds, and the others on the list.
The Trade Center buildings weren't empty. The tenants were real. Maybe besides hiring an engineer to run FEA programs for you, you could hire a private investigator to show that the tenants are real companies. |
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My experience help me understand the evidence easier. Your experience have failed to anything but lead you to fantasy.
You have no idea what basic training is. I never killed anyone. I was never trained to kill anyone. I flew aircraft. You spread lies, what indoctrination did you get to spread fantasy and lies? What basic training did you do to help you make up idiotic claims of missiles? PTSD? You have no knowledge of the military. Pilot are trained to think for themselves, who trained you to make up fantasy on 911? I was not trained to think a certain way. I was trained to fly in the best flight school in the world. We were trained to think better than the other guy, to be the best. You seem to be trained to think up failed fantasy; was that training free like my pilot training, you paid for? LOL, who do you think stopped Calley's guys from killing more civilians in Vietnam, a pilot; taught to think for himself and trained to be morally right. Unlike you who spreads failed fantasy, with no moral compass, as you disrespect those murdered by terrorists. You are the domestic enemy, murdering the truth and replacing reality with fantasy. You don't do military, like physics and the truth; backed with a disrespect for higher education, and book learning. Don't worry, God knows you have a fantasy. There is no evidence at the WTC or PA to support the missile fantasy. Wow, you sure do rant and pile on the BS. What implications? You have a delusional fantasy - the only implication is you have a failed fantasy. You sound like McVeigh now. ? Based on a fantasy? lol As a military man? lol More BS. The military did not patrol the skies over the US before 911. It would take an hour or more to get an escort or shadow for a hijacked aircraft before 911, domestically. But you don't do military, physic or reality. What civil liberties are you missing? You can't back up your rant with a single fact. You are paranoid and you have a missile fantasy. You and Fetzer get along well because you both have fantasies on 911, and love to manufacture tons of BS. You never studied the military, but you have a lot of BS on the military. http://yankee451.com/2012/02/28/911-for-psychos/ Who trained you to be paranoid? |
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The company I worked for in 2001 had several customers in the WTC. A colleague of mine was on the phone with a longtime friend/business contact who was in the WTC when the first plane hit. The friend said "Something just happened. I'm going to have to call you back". That was the last anyone heard from him him. yankee451: Was my colleague's friend a part of the conspiracy? Was my colleague a part of the conspiracy? Am I a part of the conspiracy? Just how ******* crazy does a conspiracy theory have to get before the CTist takes a breath and says to himself "whoa, maybe I better go back to square one and rethink this"? |
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You don't know me, where are you coming up with this.
Aren't you the awesome architect who couldn't tell the difference between aluminum cladding and a steel column? Aren't you the physics phenom who didn't know the wing would be struck with an equal and opposite reaction? Give me a list of your buildings so I'll know not to walk into one. |
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Why, do you think they're part of it?
I thought you skeptics were supposed to think with your brains not your emotions. Can you prove they were there? Survelliance cameras? Timecards? Were they on the SS death index? Did their survivors receive compensation, or was it just their employers? How many non official cover intelligence service agents do you know? |
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Forgive me, I don't want to read the entire thread. Did anyone call the museum and ask about the display?
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If the fires in the sky were a thousand feet up, the molten concrete was a thousand feet down.
So, are you here to try to explain how the concrete melted, turned to lava and then back to concrete, aggregate and all without melting the guns? Lemme guess, you're going to wave-off the MUSEUM EXHIBIT that indoctrinated school children as a simple mistake. The kind of mistake academics make. Why would the police lie like that? Why would firefighters claim the steel ran like lava from a volcano? Why would their stories match with the truth movment, when there never were such hot fires? Are you going to tell me the USGS maps are accurate? What caused the ground to be 1000 kelvin many days after 9/11? No, you're not here to discuss any of that. |
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And if I did somehow manage to provide all this information you'd simply say it was all faked and any witnesses were liars (or worse), and what's more you know you would dismiss it out of hand, so why even bother asking for it? You think after all your "years of hard work and obsessive research" into this staggeringly stupid "theory" of yours that a box full of documents sent to you from a stranger on the internet is going lead to some life-changing epiphany on your part? Not bloody likely. Why are you even here? You average writing over 63 posts a day and are (presumably) reading countless more posts from others at all hours of the day and night. Why is this a good use of your time? You clearly made your mind up about 9/11 years ago and certainly aren't here to accept criticism. Furthermore you have shown nothing but disdain and absolute contempt for anyone with actual expertise on the subject at hand. For God's sake, you have a Crash Investigator here and all you can seem to do is insult him, question his credentials and accuse him of being some brainwashed government stooge. To quote Joseph Welch, have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? |
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