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They don't need to.
This isn't Greenpeace, where you put flowers into your hair and sing songs and hope that telling people not to do something actually works. SSCS has never and will never tell you one thing and do another. They're an action group, not a protest group. |
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Not true.
I don't know the outcome of this, and a fair assmption would be that it's stuck in paperwork phase, but they're clearly using a loophole that needs to be shut. Until it is, Sea Shepherd gets my support, financially and emotionally. |
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Did you read the article in your link? I mean, really read it?
It doesn't say any laws were broken, only that some eco-tards in Australia want it stopped. That doesn't make it illegal. In fact, it's basically proof of it's legality. Were it illegal, Australia (or a nation with an actual Navy) could have stopped it by now. As it currently stands, Japan can kill X number of whales per year. Period. |
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Maybe I'll start watching Whale Wars again this season, just to see that. That crew is more comical than Gilligan.
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I've watched Whale Wars a few times, and it's pretty obvious that all those "research" signs are a load of rubbish. It's just to maintain plausible deniability.
With that said, I personally don't care about whales, and I'm not sure why I should. But when we're talking about Watson and gang "flaunting the law" or whatever, let's remember that it goes both ways. The only difference is that the Japanese whalers are competent at what they do and enjoy the tacit support of their country, whereas Paul Watson and company are highly incompetent. |
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Using A loophole *IS* to on the legal side.
But rather than admit it , and admit the vigilant were in the wrong (since they were ramming people doing LEGAL stuff) , you still pretend the shepherd ******** were in the right. Until the law changed then vigilantism should be rightfully put in prison. You may even call that civil protest if you wish, but civil protest imply you accept what you are doing is ILLEGAL, and you get to be put in prison. I am glad the guy is headed to a place where he can't put other in danger. |
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It means that they only people who CAN do something about it are groups like Sea Shepherd. That's what it means. And since they're they only ones who seem to want to enforce the ban on commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean, they're the ones who get my support.
As far as I'm concerned the Japanese whalers can get all their ships sunk. The day the Nissan Maru slips beneath the waves will be a banner day indeed. |
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I usually end up giving a few hundred dollars to Sea Shepard Society every year. I think, especially for what they're doing, direct action really helps, and it brings the issue of whale hunting into the mainstream, and puts huge amount of international pressure on nations which permit |
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I'm sorry, I don't understand.
If an activity is legal but one feels it's still wrong, one is not allowed to simply declare it illegal, then attack vessels engaged in it while claiming to be "enforcing maritime law". See how that doesn't work? International Maritime Law is not Sea Shepherd's Personal Maritime Law. |
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When you interfere with a legal activity, no matter how right you think you are, you are breaking the law. As far as the law is concerned, they are pirates, and could be treated as such. Count yourself lucky that Japanese whalers aren't outfitted with machine guns... |
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Commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean IS illegal. That's exactly what they're doing. Spending a few extra yen to paint "RESEARCH" on the side of your ship doesn't change that. They're not fooling anybody!
Well, I guess they must be fooling some, or it wouldn't be an issue. |
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Yeah, many things that are legal are wrong, and vice versa
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I am frankly glad a lot of people don't think like you. Imagine how society would be like if those vigilanty decided to correct what they see as wrong, but is otherwise perfectely legal ? I mean, some people see gay life as wrong, so what's to stop one of those "gay shepherd" in a car simply ram a few of those type to teach them god fear or something. Same with those "upitty black", sure it is now legal that they are on equal footing with WASP, but hey, some people see that as morally wrong, and ramming a few might teach them. Or even those who have adulterous sex. That is so wrong, but legal, but let us ignore that and use "red A shepherd" cruise around, pickup those adulterous people and brand them. Illegal I know, but wrong is wrong.
Wright ? See this is why in a civil society we have things called law, and a process to change those laws, and why vigilanty are seen as criminal. What one is legally entitled to, another might find wrong. And ocne you start that way, there is soon non turning back. |
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That is an interresting admission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy Scroll down or search for "singapour". I hope for them they are not caught "pirating" around whalling ship near singapour. Also scroll to : Self protection measures and increased patrol Using weapon against pirate is perfectely acceptable. Oh and about your flag protection ? "Because of universal jurisdiction, action can be taken against pirates without objection from the flag state of the pirate vessel. " |
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I wonder why these jerks don't target the Inuit in Barrow Alaska who harvest around 80 Bowheads per year. They would be much easier targets than the Japanese in their small boats:
I was lucky enough to be up in Barrow when they caught one and spent six or so hours out on the ice as they brought this whale in: I think South Park said it best:
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It sounds as if Japan was not cooperating with the investigation, which kept the investigators from drawing a more definite conclusion. I don't like what little I have read of Sea Shepherd's tactics, but I am inclined to put the bulk of the blame on the Japanese vessel in this instance.
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Is commercial whaling banned in Barrow?
Look at the documentation from either side in this fight. Japan isn't even hiding the fact they're commercially whaling. Not with any serious effort at least. You should see the documents they pass off as "research". It's a friggin joke. JARPA was supposed to last 16 years. And it did. Then what happened? JARPA II of course! They gave themselves permits to do this commercial whaling, in the Southern Ocean sanctuary that each and every country in the International Whaling Commission created. Well, all but one country. Betcha can't figure out who didn't vote for it! http://www.whaling.jp/english/qa.html Apparently that's the website if the "Bad Guys" if you will. Read it. It's a friggin joke. |
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