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15th May 2012, 01:49 PM | #81 |
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I'm not as much a wordsmith as I'd like. I get killed in Words with Friends.
What I should have said is they'll never tell you they're something they're not. They don't pretend to be anything other than what they are. Everything they do is to protect the whales. Everything. They never pretend otherwise. |
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It doesn't matter. In international water, outside of the basic guidelines set by the UN's Law of the Sea, vessels are governed solely by the laws of the nation whose flag they're registered under.
In other words, if Argentina signs an accord banning whaling in the Southern Ocean, that makes it illegal for Argentine vessels to whale there. It does not make it illegal for Peruvian vessels to whale there; only Peru signing the accord can do that. If Japan makes a law saying that Japanese vessels can take 1,000 whales a year for research purposes, guess what? Yep. And nobody can legally do anything about it, except lean on Japan to change their laws. If you feel engaging in criminal activity is a legitimate countermeasure that's your business. But criminals can expect to be treated like criminals, that's all there is to it. Japan is not breaking any laws; calling what they're doing "illegal" is just simply a lie. |
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I often have fantasies that the Sea Shepherd crew gets taken by real pirates. We then get leaked videos of all the pathetic whiny ass activists on board begging for their lives before the pirates shoot them and dump their worthless carcasses overboard to be recycled by the very ocean they acted like morons to ostensibly "protect."
At the very least these commercial fishing ships should start arming themselves. They have the right to protect their lives and a .50 cal machine gun peppering those eco-freaks would probably go a long way towards doing that. |
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I had no idea who he was so I read the wiki article:
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I'm genuinely curious: What do you see as such a huge distinction between what the Inuit do and what the Japanese do? One you respect and the other you abhor. Is it just the guise of "research"? |
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How foolish can one be? All this lying pirate has to do is say he is protecting whales and all the eco-nuts with no brains write him checks.
He can't legitimately claim to have established any conservation of whales whatsoever. But there are a number of non-terrorist groups that can, like the International Whaling Commission. There are over 200 whale biologists working for the IWC, and there are zero whale biologists working for Sea Shepherd. Violent criminals with no science backing them - wow, that's going to be really effective. There are a number of societies like the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society, and they work through promotion of reserves and scientific conservation principles instead of sabotage and self-aggrandizing stunts. This man does not care for whales. He cares only for himself. The claim about subsistence hunting is pretty hilarious too. Because subsistence is not a "welfare" concept. It means taking for the purpose of both consumption and trade. They can't export because the law prohibits that. But trading whale meat/muktuk etc. for cash, gas, or grass is exactly what they do with it. They sell the baleen on the streets of Fairbanks and elsewhere for cash. I see them most often on the East side on College Road and Old Steese. |
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I'd also like to see Sea Shepherd come up with some numbers as far as whales actually saved and so forth. Is there an actual dollars-to-results conservation plan in place, or is it closer to the truth to say that all the concerned fans are unwittingly just paying the fuel tab so this guy can yacht around the world and throw stink bombs at the occasional "whaling" ship/run over the occasional tuna fisherman?
I mean this guy gets his boat and rams a Japanese whaler and it's claimed that this is "doing something"; but what really happened? Did the whaler stop and turn around and say "okay, we quit"? |
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apart from being a founder member of Greenpeace you mean
only two countries still use factory whaling ships, powered harpoons and a legal loophole, neither of them is Inuit, what the Japanese do is actually not for research purposes, they haven't produced any cetology research papers, despite claiming thats what they are doing, whale products always end up on the open market, consider http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7099720.stm
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why 1000 Minke whales ? why not 2 ? dead whales wash up on beaches all the time, every other country in the world carries out research on those carcasses, the only reason the Japanese require fresh ones is because:-
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Really, what's the difference between what the Sea Shepherd does and abortion clinic bombers?
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An unbelieveably stupid comparison. Clinics provide an (argueably) useful service and (IMHO) only stupid, bigotted ******** would have an arguement with it. The professional whalers provide no useful service that can be defended by anyone, folks like Inuit have a reasonable claim given their living conditions, traditions and hunting methods.
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It's chicken and cow. Know your South Park.
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OMG! You've got to see it...it's one of the best episodes of South Park ever.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full...1-whale-whores |
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Beside the fact that the Sea Shepard is 100% correct in calling bull **** on "research" vessels? That they're 100% correct that "research" is just a label on top of commercial whaling? Besides that they kill far, far more whales than necessary to carry out whatever "research" into stomach contents they're looking at? Besides that every other country in the world studies stomach contents from whales which wash up on shore?
How about operational philosophy, where animal rights activists adhere to a mandate to avoid intentional harm to any human or non-human, in contrast to abortion clinic bombers who operate with the intention to harm and kill as many people as possible? How about the sheer priority of concerns, that whales have a first-person point of view and suffer in the extreme for being non-consenting "research" participants, whereas fetuses have neither? |
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Why do we pretend this is just about whales? Sea Shepherd is against all commercial fishing and ram vessels that bring in things ranging from prawns, crab and tuna. They only focus on whaling for the TV show because the producers knew it would turn viewers off to see them harassing a guy hauling in lobster. But when the TV cameras aren't there all bets are off.
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From what I understand, the hunting protocol for the Inuit is to go out in traditional seal skin boats and traditional harpoons and tag a Bowhead whale, once the harpoon so much as touches the whale, it is finished off with a motor boat with a powered explosive tipped harpoon. They use a combination of traditional and modern hunting practices.
They, like the Japanese, claim cultural heritage and their catch ends up on the commercial market as Alaskabushpilot mentioned. Its on a much smaller scale than what the Japanese do but I don't see such a major distinction between the two practices. |
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What about seal clubbing? I find that repulsive but I would never support an organization that tries to ram vehicles carrying the pelts of clubbed seals with another truck.
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