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22nd October 2012, 11:26 AM | #481 |
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24th October 2012, 10:38 AM | #485 |
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More iphone 5 benchmarks, compared to Samsungs gs3 quad core model, iPad 3 and iPhone 4s.
http://www.zdnet.com/benchmarking-th...-5-7000006045/ |
26th October 2012, 01:50 AM | #486 |
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The gap widens yet again..
Forget lumping together Android manufacturers as a group, now just a single manufacturer, Samsung, is selling literally twice as many smartphones as Apple. http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/2...ery_one_apple/ Interesting how this kind of marketshare news rarely gets mainstream coverage. Then again, i was surprised at how prominent the bad publicity regarding iOS 6 maps was on big news sites like the BBC. I does seem that the media seem less inclined to give Apple a free ride these days. |
26th October 2012, 02:58 AM | #487 |
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These are "shipment" numbers. They count all the phones Samsung has built and left the factory. It is not identical to the number of phone ending up in customer hands. A large portion ends up in warehouses and on store shelves.
Samsung gets paid for them, by distributors and chain stores, but the phones do not end up in the wild. For all intents and purposes, analysts and bloggers have moved away from citing shipment numbers to compare companies. Apple does not release shipment numbers, but actually sales to end customers, since they sell, oh I dunno, something in the range of 80% in their own stores (online and brick'n'mortar). "Activation" numbers are closer to a real metric, though still not ideal. |
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26th October 2012, 10:30 PM | #489 |
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Well, if you read the article, it in fact quotes shipping units for Apple, Samsung and Nokia, not sales units. I guess the only way to know for sure is to find out how ABI Research and Strategy Analytics did their numbers.
However, with Android now getting 1.3 million activations per day (i.e. actual new phones/tablets being switched on and setup, 1.23 million of them being actual phones), and Samsung being the dominating supplier for Android, it doesn't seem unreasonable. |
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Oh please. Unless you have actual shipped vs sold numbers for both companies, we can just assume it is relatively the same for Apple as well.
If it makes you feel better to think that all these Samsung smartphones are in a warehouse somewhere and all the iPhones are in peoples hands, then have at it. |
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Anecdotal evidence time:
I know someone who recently got a Galaxy S3 after only having Apple smartphones. (They had a 3GS then a 4S). They are absolutely blown away. They told me that they just plain feel ridiculous that they had the wool over their eyes for so long. They "absolutely love it". If other people switch and feel like they do, then that would explain why Samsung smartphones are doing so well. |
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27th October 2012, 01:46 PM | #492 |
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Yes, shipped is the word the article used. I did read it. But that is not the number apple itself gives on its calls. It gives the number of units sold. So it really is a difference.
You might want to check into the number of samsung galaxy tabs shipped versus the number sold that came out in the patent lawsuit versus apple, for an example of why this is an important difference |
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First of all that's off topic. But I'm glad you brought it up, because you are the one that believes that there are enough active smartphones in the USA for 1 out of every 2 people in the USA, from babies to centenarians. It's 2 months later and you're still defending that?? Pretty hilarious.
Bump the thread if you want, then everyone can see the numbers being spun. I'm not responding to it anymore here, it's off topic. Back on topic: Why don't you just come out and say it: You believe that there is some huge difference in the shipped/sold ratio between Samsung and Apple. You've danced around it since that article was posted. So how about just come right out and make the claim? The last thing you want people to do is remember the actual point of the article. That is that Samsung smartphones are outselling Apple smartphones by a huge margin. But not only that, Samsung is gaining popularity, and Apple losing popularity. Which means by a year from now we will see the snowball effect magnifying the numbers. You've played this same game in several threads. Someone brings up a point or an article that is not favorable to Apple. You then try and distract everyone with some side issue, hoping and praying that they forget the actual topic. |
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I have bumped the thread. You don't respond. Very telling.
I believe that there is some difference in the number of phones shipped by Samsung and the number of samsung phones sold. As I said, I would expect a company that makes 25+ models of smartphones to outsell a company that makes 1 model. It is not particularly surprising or impressive. The side issue I am bringing up to deflect from the article is ... discussing the facts in the article ?? |
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"some difference" Seriously? You think that is going to slide on a Skeptics forum. Claim your number. Claim the percentage. Obviously there would be "some difference" between the shipped/sold ratio between Samsung and Apple. It would be statistically impossible for them to have the exact same ratio!
Wow, you've been called on that so many times it's not even funny. And you still use that line!! Apple currently still sells at least 4 Smartphones. You wish it was just one!! It would slightly help your case. If you compare Samsungs top 4 currently selling smartphones to Apples top 4 currently selling smartphones you will still find the below to be true:
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----------- I completely forgot that when someone calls you on this: That you then do this: Every single time!! The old "oh but I am talking about the issue", like anyone is going to fall for that. The article was about how Samsung is outselling Apple. The side issue you attacked was your claim that there is this huge difference between the shipped/sold ratio between Samsung and Apple. Now here's the funny thing: Even if there was a huge difference, which there isn't, and we looked only at the "sold" numbers, Samsung would still be outselling Apple by a huge margin. So lets just chalk this one up there with your old standby of "Oh but Apple only has 1 phone and Samsung has 40" which was proven to be nonsense months ago. |
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10...msung_q3_2012/
Samsung just posted a Q3 year on year profit growth of 91%. 50% of this was due to their mobile sector, actual phone sales are up a massive 82% year on year. Apple's year on year Q3 profit growth was "only" 21%, although they are not exactly starting from a poor position.. I'm sure many companies would be happy with a year on year growth of 21%! However it does seem yet another indicator that Samsung phones are increasing in popularity, quite simply they are selling more (not just shipping more!) and this is having a directly noticeable effect on their bottom line. |
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Apparently it has leaked that someone refused to sign that letter: Apple iOS software chief Scott Forstall forced out for refusing to sign a letter apologizing for problems with Apple Maps. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...497916304.html
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50%. prove me wrong. *shrugs*
How many times ? 1 ? Go ahead, link to all the times....I'll wait... I said one model, ie iPhone. Perhaps you missed the word model ? And, the only sell the 4, 4s, 5. Go ahead, link to the 3gs on the apple store and prove me wrong..... Yeah,just like with tablets ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ung-galaxy-tab An executive at Android tablet maker Lenovo claims that Samsung sold only 20,000 of the 1m tablets that it shipped last year as it tried to "buy share" from market leader Apple. Why do you link to where this was 'proven' to be nonsense ? You are very fond of argument by assertion. Probably because facts don't back you up. Carry on ... |
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Apple iPhone is the make, the # is the model. Pretty hilarious you want us to buy that so you can continue to use that lie. Even if you convinced someone of that, then that would mean that the Samsung Galaxy S2, S2 Skyrocket, and S3 would count as one phone as well!! Apple would still be losing.
OK so maybe they stopped selling the 3GS since the last time you tried this spin. The top 3 Samsung phones are absolutely destroying the top 3 Apple Phones. You can't even come up with convincing spin to make it not so. Also, the gap is widening. |
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UK service provider is giving minimum 30 day waiting time for iphone5 upgraders at this time.
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The make is Apple, the model is iPhone, then you have the year.
I actually agree it's disingenuous to say Apple has only one phone. However, while they sell three phones it's really just the current model, last year's model, and the year's before that. That's different than Samsung, which has multiple lines and concurrently sells multiple models from each line. It's like Toyota selling the 2012 Camry, the 2011 Camry, and the 2010 Camry, as opposed to Ford selling the Taurus, the Focus, and the Escape. However, there's no denying that Samsung has twice the smartphone marketshare as Apple. |
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Even if that were true, that means every Samsung Galaxy S is also one phone.
iPhone 4 = Galaxy S II iPhone 4S = Galaxy S II Skyrocket iPhone 5 = Galaxy S III There is just no way to spin it in favor of Apple, I'm sorry. I swear I just addressed that 3 posts up. But seriously, step back and look at yourselves trying to claim that the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 are not different models... Have you compared an iPhone 4 and 5 lately? Look at them and then remember that you tried to tell me they are the same model!! Apple iPhone is the make. 4, 4S, 5 are the models. The car analogy is horribly broken, please don't make me explain why. |
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I have no problem with this comparison.
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Ah, OK then, I apologize.
OH please.... Three pages of people quoting everything but currently active numbers and you say I put on a performance. If you have a link that says the number of currently active iPhones as of December 2011, I would love to see it. |
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@ TheL8Elvis.
I'm not asking this to be snarky, but I wonder if you would tell me. If it were to be established by some metric which you find satisfactory that Samsung really is outselling iPhone ... say units of iPhone5 vs. Samsung GS3's actually in use by real, individual consumers ... would that bother you a lot? 'Cause it seems from the tenor of your posts that you would find such a situation to be profoundly disturbing. |
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It would not bother me.
I don't have a problem with the fact that all of samsungs phones are outselling all of apples phones. It's just when information is pulled out of the ether, like ' galaxy III is crushing iPhone 5' or similar, I would just like to see where the data is to back up these claims. I have not seen it. |
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Here are the top ten handsets in the UK. 2 Samsungs, followed by 2 iPhones. iPhone 5 moved 5 million units in 3 days, but it wasn't enough to top Samsung Galaxy S3 sales.
http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/mobile_tracker/ ETA - apparently Galaxy S3 sales increased in the US with the release of the iPhone 5, as people apparently were waiting to see what it was before buying a phone. It apparently underwhelmed some undecided buyers. http://www.autoomobile.com/news/sams...sales/1006720/ Galaxy S3 weekly sales growth #'s |
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Oh please.
I suppose you weren't here 30 posts ago, on the top of this very page, when the data was posted that caused TheL8Elvis to try and frantically spin? "Data at last" indeed. First TheL8Elvis claimed it was shipped vs sales from reading the headline only!!! Which, even though that is hilarious on its face, also implies that the Samsung phones are just sitting in some warehouse somewhere. Like companies don't research supply and demand. But if you actually read the first 3 paragraphs it is clearly shipped vs shipped:
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So then TheL8Elvis used the old fallback of "oh well if you count all the iPhones as 1 phone then Apple is still winning". Which has been thoroughly debunked every single time it has been brought up in this sub-forum. The Galaxy S line of phones is handedly outselling the iPhone line of phones. |
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Who or what are you arguing against?
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Is this a real quote though?
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Shipped is not what counts here. That was the point. Duh!
You purposefully ignored when he pointed to the data on shipping and sales of a tablet. How about you try bringing the data to back up your sales claims instead of pulling chains? If you can't, then thats OK. |
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