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20th November 2012, 03:50 PM | #601 |
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Why should I?
What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers?
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What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers? Are you suggesting that consumers choose the model of phone they want to buy on the basis of whether or not they can be "easily monetized"? When I go to shop for a new 'smartphone' I'm going to look for one with as many 'features' as I can comfortably afford. This is likely to have little to do with whether I need or use them very much. I'm not going to care whether someone else can "monetize" them or not. Also SD slot and user replaceable battery. Those aren't 'features', though. They're fundamental, common-sense, basic equipment. Although they may be hard to "monetize". |
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It has nothing to do with consumer choice, per se. It was a tangential discussion in a thread that has been full of tangential discussions. I already explained why I thought it was relevant.
You might well ask why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titles iPhone 5 ? |
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But who cares about that besides the developers?
If you say the end user, does that not make your argument circular?? #1 The end user only uses the phone for an alarm clock. #2 The developers don't like this so they develop for another platform. #3 The end user still only uses the phone for an alarm clock... You may then try to say: Well the end user really wants to buy more software. But if you do that it debunks your entire argument!! It cancels out #1. If the end user buys a platform that has zero content, that is their prerogative... I swear this is absolutely the weirdest form of Apple fan damage control I have seen yet. Let's call this one: "Apple is still (selling more/the best/enter whatever the Apple fan boy goal is here) because people only use Samsung phones as alarm clocks, therefore developers do not make any apps for Samsung phones." |
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First of all, it happens in every thread. That's what "I might as well start it off in the OP" means. Also it was clearly lighthearted.
Secondly: That is an absolute joke. They are their main competition! Go into US Politics and find me a thread about Democrats that contains no discussion of Republicans. Or vice versa. Go into Sports and find a thread about the Yankees that contains no discussion of the Red Sox! So into a video games sub-forum and find a thread about XBOX360 that does not contain discussion of PS3. Find an Apple PC thread where no-one mentions Windows. Find an Apple phone thread where no-one mentions Android. To try and blame me for this happening is ridiculous. I said in the above post that the "feature phone" argument was the absolutely weirdest Apple fan damage control I have seen yet... Well this one is probably the saddest. The "Oh please do not even mention the competition!" argument. |
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OK. Congratulations.
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Well just as long at you admit that it would have happened anyway, whether or not I said anything about the competition in the OP. Also, just to be fair, I'm going to quote the OP like you did, but yet I am going to highlight the part you didn't. As can be clearly seen I was regurgitating what every single article had been saying for weeks leading up to the event. Dozens of articles. You would literally have to have not visited any online news sites any day for weeks to miss seeing at least 1 article do it. And unlike those articles I had it as an aside at the bottom of my post. The entire first part of the post, which carlitos snipped out, was just the facts. |
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I'm not "admitting" anything of the sort. What exactly are you on about? I noted that you mentioned Samsung in the OP. That's it. Your OP clearly taunts "Apple fanbois," which is entirely your prerogative.
Hey L8Elvis, that "574" links to a $299 laptop at MicroCenter. |
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It's a very simple question: Do you admit that the thread (about the iPhone 5) would have started discussing the competition (Android phones) with or without me doing it first it in the OP? If you refuse to answer that, so be it. On top of that, the end part of the OP was clearly a joke about that very thing. And about how every article leading up to the release of the iPhone 5 was doing it as well. You trying to turn that into me having anything to do with "why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titled iPhone 5" is about as silly as me being at fault for bringing up Republicans in a thread about Democrats in the OP of a thread in US Politics. Just imagine if someone 600 posts in that hypothetical US Politics thread asks you "why are the Republicans relevant in a discussion thread about Democrats". And then instead of answering that person: "Because they are the main competition, obviously." You instead chose to answer that person: "Why don't you ask the OP, they started it!!" |
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I have no idea why you care which phone is better or more popular or why you mentioned Samsung in a post about iPhone 5. I was kind of interested in how many active smartphones there are because that matters to my professional life. I sort of care about the new iOS, because I use it every day.
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Can someone help with an iPhone5 question? I don't want to start a thread if I can help it.
I have an iPad3 which happily recognises my home wifi network, and I'm posting on it now. Yet when my iPhone bothers to recognise the network (it can take minutes) it always asks for a password. And drops out regularly, which the iPad never does. Am I doing something monumentally stupid? Wouldn't be the first time. Oh jeez, it's just recognised the network and the password and is now telling me it can't join the network. Help! |
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OK so instead of answering the question: Which would give us insight into why you did what you did: You chose instead of accusing me of "just wanting to argue"?? Is asking you to answer a simple question arguing? Is asking you to help explain why you told someone an answer that seems to me to be illogical arguing?? Is there a clear cut line between a conversation and having an argument, or is it, in fact, an overlapping range? Because the post of mine directly above yours, that you were responding to, sure reads like it is trying to be quite serious to me. I'm sorry but I'm not just going to not post if someone gives someone else an illogical answer especially if it pertains to me. Just like I'm not going to just not post if someone posts rediculous spin, especially if it is not true. Be it if the spin is for or against Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc. |
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Yeah, unplug both your modem and router. Plug in the modem first, then after that's up and has the internet light on, then turn on your router.
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Great thing about theee phones is you dont have to. Thats kinda the point.
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Are you using WPA2 for your wireless security settings? I've seen an oddness with the iPhone 5 and iOS6 on WPA2. The latest update was supposed to address that issue. Maybe temporarily trying a different setting just to test it. |
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I don't know. Presumably to maintain an advantage on mapping with android devices.
http://allthingsd.com/20120926/apple...ed-directions/ ... Spoken turn-by-turn navigation has been a free service offered through Google’s Android mobile OS for a few years now. But it was never part of the deal that brought Google’s Maps to iOS. And sources say Apple very much wanted it to be. |
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The google map thingie isn't quite the same, as it won't integrate into the rest of the iOS, though, right? Like when an address is highlighted in siri or an internet page or my contacts or whatever, it won't default to google, will it?
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Apple no-doubt wanted it; I'm not disputing that. I'm just emphasizing that Google's proposal of greater control over features and branding was at the heart of the breakup. Along with their souring relationship in general.
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I never suggested you did. Whose straw man would that be? You cited the link in an effort to bolster your contention that Google withheld 'turn-by-turn' from Apple in an effort to maintain a market advantage. The article you cited suggests that a more accurate explanation is that Apple couldn't come to a mutually satisfactory agreement with Google over the conditions for using the technology and database. Those aren't the same thing. |
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Requiring iPhone users to look directly at handsets for directions and manually move through each step — while Android users enjoyed native voice-guided instructions — put Apple at a clear disadvantage in the mobile space. And having chosen Google as its original mapping partner, the iPhone maker was now in a position where an archrival was calling the shots on functionality important to the iOS maps feature set.
And this caused Apple — which typically enjoys very tight control over its products — no end of philosophical discomfort, sources say. Apple pushed Google hard to provide the data it needed to bring voice-guided navigation to iOS. But according to people familiar with Google’s thinking, the search giant, which had invested massive sums in creating that data and views it as a key feature of Android, wasn’t willing to simply hand it over to a competing platform. And if there were terms under which it might have agreed to do so, Apple wasn’t offering them. I read that as saying Google knew voice-turn-by-turn was a huge advantage, and was not going to act as a 'partner' with Apple and let them have it for reasonable terms. The fact that Apple couldn't come to a mutually satisfactory agreement with Google says nothing about whether either side actually made a reasonable attempt to negotiate a fair deal. And I can't see how it would have been to Googles advantage to offer a 'fair deal'. Do you ? Which is pragmatically the same as withholding it in order to keep a market advantage. |
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I think it depends on the terms. Google may not have technically said no but it may have demanded terms so outrageous that Apple would never concede, which is functionally the same thing. For example, Google may have feared anti-trust repercussions if they outright said no, so they asked for the farm in return.
Now I'm not saying that's what happened but I don't think your conclusion is justified. Sometimes saying no and making an outrageous offer are effectively the same thing. |
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