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A much more defensible position!
That's true. They didn't actually scale at all. The icons aren't even larger, they just added a fifth row and are saying it's so you don't need as many home pages. The pixel density is even the same, so no change at all for all the old However, the longer and not wider also makes 16:9, an extremely common video format, more supportable. |
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My current phone has a mini USB, that was another selling feature for me. I really don't need a charger anymore, just a $1 mini USB to standard USB cable. I can charge my phone off of another computer, most TV's, my PS3, almost anything with a USB port will work.
Apple's only got the one model, it's supposed to be the Cadillac but it's really more of an Oldsmobile. |
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Just a poke at Apple insisting that they drive innovation, that others follow. They are innovative, but not to the degree they claim. |
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It's as clear as all the questions you dodged that you left out of your response. (see above). Perhaps you missed the first time I said it because you were busy deleting all the parts of my post that you didn't address... I read your link with 'facts and figures. It didn't do anything to support the point you were trying to make. Why do you think I thought you meant worldwide ? Iphone is the leading smartphone in the US. Let me ask again ... Which smart phone manufacturer has more market share than apple (in the US)? Please try not to dodge the question this time. I'll have to ask you to provide evidence for the flailing, the strawmen, and the goalpost moving. Again, simply asserting all these things does not make it so. No, I think the main point is you asserted a bunch of nonsense and won't defend it, and simply try to handwave the objections away. |
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My current phone has a 30-pin connector, that was another selling feature for me. I really don't need a charger anymore, just a $1 30-pin connector to standard USB cable. I can charge my phone off of another computer, most TV's, my PS3, almost anything with a USB port will work.
See what I did there ? For almost a decade, the same thing was true of apple. In fact, I thought most phones had moved to micro USB. And any new phone that takes more than 500 ma really won't always charge off any old USB port. |
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To some degree, I think we are generally past the era of "wow factors." I really hate to bet against innovation because that's always a losing bet but, generally speaking, these devices are mature.
For example (yours), their displays are higher resolution that your eyeball; there's no where to go from there.
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I'm a Mac and iOS developer and I can say with complete certainty that the statement, "iOS didn't have scaling built in very well," is completely, verifiably wrong.
Despite their R&D secrecy, Apple is incredibly straightforward most of the time about their values and direction. Multiple screen sizes compromise something of extreme value to Apple: user experience. They want developers to sweat the details and that's harder to do when there are 17 different screen sizes. They value one-handed operation and that becomes awkward or impossible as the device gets wider. |
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I'm pretty sure I'm not you, but I haven't checked recently.
They've done a bang up job with cameras in their phones for the last three gens, so it might just be one of the better aspects. But the other makers have stepped up in that in the most recent gen too. The HTC One X specifically has a great sensor. It's hard to say, but it seems a supportable position especially if iOX6 doesn't bring the thunder. I read that article on cnet as well about the 'ho hum' era of smart phones and I disagree to a degree. The SIII had plenty of wow. So did the Razr and Razr Maxx. The Razr MaxxHD seems like an incremental improvement though. The Note II seems to have TONS of wow on tap, although that could just be hype in some cases. Granting that the screens are higher resolution than the human eye (is that really true?), there are other aspects of the screen that can certainly wow. A higher contrast, better in sun performance, more color, faster response times, flexibility...there are more to displays than the pixel density/count. Then there is augmented reality integration besides gimick apps. How about the ability for the camera to look at a printed calendar or time sheet and update the appointments list? The SIII learns your face. What about wireless charging. Apple would be the perfect company to make that big if they wanted to. Star Trek isn't mined out yet for ideas.
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I don't find the need to justify every move they make personally. They aren't going anywhere for a while at least. Doesn't change my disappointment in the 5 thus far, only the 5 could do that. Oh? I distinctly remember it in a Cnet article a year or two ago about why a smaller iPad was unlikely. Is that something redone in iOS5, or has it always been the case? I'll have a try at finding the article. It could very well be that they only meant that in comparison to Android. Or I could be completely misremembering it. That's always an option.
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That just proves that you didn't read those links. They quite clearly back up my point. Almost impossible to miss.
More proof that you didn't read the links. If you can combine all the iPhone versions into one, why can't we combine the Samsung phone versions into one? It's a sad trick, and its the only way you could even get close to getting your numbers to work. Samsung phones have at least double the market share of iPhone phones. It's not even close. I'll leave that for others to decide. They can read the thread. The evidence for who is spewing nonsense is quite clear. -------------- You build a strawman (more like grasping at strawmen there are so many). I knock them down. You immediately lie and say they weren't strawmen and on top of that make 7 more. This gets old. It took 3 cycles of that to even get you to admit I posted cites the first time. Apple has less than 20% of the Smartphone market. They were dropping, but are expected to get a boost off of the i5. Possibly to 20%. That was the point. The cites were in the very first post where I said it. On top of that, it was clearly meant to be good news for Apple! I don't think anyone else in this thread saw that differently. |
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Lightning was developed by Intel, as a new generation USB port capable of carrying high definition video to multiple monitors on a single cable. It makes sense to do this, and I hope that, just like USB, it will be an open standard that helps advance technology for everyone, and is not dumbed down into an Apple only closed world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface) Note once again, this is not the result of Apple genius, but of the hard work being done by scientists and engineers from another company. |
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I worded that poorly. I work at Sam's Club at both wireless and electronics and have never worked at Wal-Mart proper. Wal-Mart and Sam's Club are the same company though, so I do work for Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
Still great prices though. We don't get commission, and the prices of the phones are consistently fifty to one hundred dollars below the carrier stores. That is except for the Apple devices of course. |
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Well, I took the plunge. iPhone 5 ordered this morning! I'll let you all know what I think next week when it comes in.
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I think the Crack Berry adopted the micro while most others use the mini. But again, the micro to mini adapter is $1 and sold just about everywhere. Apple has gone in another, more costly to the consumer direction yet again it seems.
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Every major non-Apple smartphone, including the Blackberry, should be using the microUSB charging ports by now. A god-send for minimizing cable spaghetti since I have to carry along the office blackberry for work on top of my personal S3. Also makes it easy to nick a charger from colleagues when I forgot mine.
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The microUSB is just too small and fragile, with the 'key' not being distinct enough, leading to an inability to plug one in without checking the orientation visually. I prefer the more durable MiniUSB, and it only takes up a fraction more space.
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Apple has taken the standards route in the past. FireWire comes to mind as one example. Intel stole part of FireWire and created the "Unused Serial Bus" (USB) as it's own desktop device connection standard. Apple endorsed the USB standard with the introduction of the iMac, telling the world that USB was good and here to stay.
But now it's time for something better. Is Lightning going to be that next standard? We are leaving behind the era of having one smart computer and a bunch of dumb peripherals. When you plug a phone into a computer, which one should be in charge of the connection? FireWire provided peer to peer connections. There could be multiple masters on the bus at the same time each doing their own thing. USB lost that ability but it wasn't needed at the time. Is Lightning the next generation of the FireWire bus? |
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Wait, does it really have 44% better color saturation? Which measure are they using? That would should be pretty impressive to see.
Yes, Apple usually refines and polishes to the Nth degree rather than does anything super daring. Now they often pull off stuff that seems daring, but actually has a lot of research and planning behind it. I can agree to disagree on design philosophy. I do wish I had more Apple stuff to sell. |
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So it claims. Here's an article:
http://www.zdnet.com/an-analysis-of-...ay-7000004286/ We won't have hard numbers until people get their hands on them. |
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Got any numbers on the total market share? Apple doesn't make a non-smart phone but Samsung sells a lot of phones like the Convey II and Rugby II. The non-smart phone market isn't completely gone and Samsung is a full phone line manufacturer.
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I do not. I could probably find some if you really wanted. Samsung sells quite a few non-smart phones. I'll bet Nokia still does as well.
ETA: I've tried to be clear in what I am asserting. US & smart phone. This is getting off-topic at this point, I'm just a bit dumb-founded that someone can keep insisting that samsung doubles apple in US smartphone share. |
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Wow.
I'm the one that brought this up. In post number three: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...39#post8611639 Which clearly shows that the top Samsung smart phones (at 30%) almost double the Apple smart phone market share (at 17%) worldwide. If I missed you later moving the goalposts to US only, I apologize. It wouldn't surprise me considering the straw attack you made against that post earlier in this thread. A goalpost move after that should be expected. This is exactly like in a thread a year or two ago when it was being discussed that Apple is not even a player on the worldwide PC OS market. With PC market share of less than five percent, they weren't even included in most lists. To which many Apple enthusiasts pleaded "Oh but in the US they have 10%!". I suppose we should check the stats for Europe now? |
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