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Old 26th September 2018, 02:19 PM   #1481
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
They are different people with different needs taking different journeys.
Yes, which is the problem. For those people genuinely transitioning, whether just in dress or through surgery, and all points between, simply being accepted as what they see themselves is the ideal option. The difficulty comes when other people apparently abuse that for their own ends. It then becomes messy when the latter group is portrayed as representing all people claiming to be trans, and arguments against the abuse become taken as being arguments against trans people.
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Old 26th September 2018, 07:13 PM   #1482
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Yes, which is the problem. For those people genuinely transitioning, whether just in dress or through surgery, and all points between, simply being accepted as what they see themselves is the ideal option. The difficulty comes when other people apparently abuse that for their own ends. It then becomes messy when the latter group is portrayed as representing all people claiming to be trans, and arguments against the abuse become taken as being arguments against trans people.

I agree.

The thing is, when that latter group is portrayed as representing all trans then the arguments are arguments against trans people.
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Old 2nd October 2018, 01:38 PM   #1483
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Activists have put a Ballot Question up for vote in the upcoming November elections in Massachusetts. The stated goal (according to the sponsor's argument published in the Information for Voters booklet distributed to voters by the Secretary of the Commonwealth's office) is to "prevent men from entering women's bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms, and intimate spaces."

What does the measure actually call for? Perhaps, legal protection for officials and business owners who exclude male-appearing individuals or known sex offenders from women's intimate spaces based on reasonable safety concerns, which would be congruent with the measure's stated aims?

Of course not. It calls for the repeal of the entire provision for gender identity non-discrimination that's currently in Massachusetts state law.

This being Massachusetts, the ballot measure won't come close to passing. But the actual agenda of its sponsors is clear.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 03:34 AM   #1484
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Old 3rd October 2018, 04:10 AM   #1485
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Some idiot's got an opinion on the internet! Oppression! Erasure! Help!
Someone stop them!
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Old 3rd October 2018, 05:04 AM   #1486
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
Some idiot's got an opinion on the internet! Oppression! Erasure! Help!
Someone stop them!
Idiots opinions on the internet got a famous director fired from a successful series. We now have to take it seriously as there are real consequences. It's no longer about what is rational, but about who had the loudest whine.

Don't try and change the rules of the game then complain when people follow then. The hate mob has power now, regardless of numbers or logic, but hey, some guys who probably did some shady **** were hit by it, so ....winning?
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Old 3rd October 2018, 05:24 AM   #1487
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Wouldn't justifying discrimination against trans people based on a loud extremist opinion on the internet be just as stupid as adopting the notion that only transwomen can speak for women based on a loud extremist opinion on the internet?
Looks like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

The solution is not to base corporate or legislative decisions on Twitter wars, instead of cherrypicking the right kind of cyber boogeyman to justify your own bias.
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Old 4th October 2018, 06:59 AM   #1488
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
Idiots opinions on the internet got a famous director fired from a successful series.

I seriously doubt that's true. Care to provide a citation?
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
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Old 6th October 2018, 06:04 PM   #1491
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
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Whenever somone says something stupid on the internet, you can declare that to be representative of everyone who disagrees with you.

It's like a law, or something.
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The Grauniad attempts to inject some reason into the increasingly polarised debate. The Guardian view on the Gender Recognition Act: where rights collide

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rights-collide
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